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Nope. The LTTE does not want India in the picture. It wouldn't mind Vaiko and Karunanidhi and Nedumaran though. However once again, it is Sri Lanka and even the Co-Chairs that would like to see India play a role. Yet again, the Sri Lankan government is ready to lay its nest in Indian hands even after what India did in the country.....like I said before, subservience or forward looking - you take your pick.
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India will not bend to tigers, that too after loosing 1200 soldiers. India will always remain an ally of sri lanka..just because it is not helping it military wise, it doesn't mean it is not its friend. By the way india is contributing to its economy and even they are contributing to indian economy. neither srilanka can afford to loose indias friendship as it is its sole neighbour and for indians, even though it is a small country, it is important for us. small or big should make no difference, it is our trusted neighbour having religious and cultural links with it
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That is understandable, but maybe India should first worry about all the pro-LTTE** government ministers** that are in the country 
Especially seeing as the LTTE is banned in the country.
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Shaheed, you are repeating the same things again even though I have answered all of them with news reports and their URLs.
** I have posted the news report from the Sri-Lankan newspaper of Anton Balasingham apologizing for Rajiv Gandhi’s killing (please do read it on the previous page of this thread)**. I also saw his televised apology on NDTV, an Indian channel.
Here are some more national and International articles (Please spend 5 minutes to go through them):
We killed Rajiv, confesses LTTE
Rajiv assassination "deeply regretted’': LTTE
LTTE admits killing Rajiv Gandhi, apologises to India
SRI LANKA: THE UNTOLD STORY Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination : Sri Lankan Defence Ministry
Here is the COMPLETE list of Balasingham’s regret :
http://www.spur.asn.au/rajiv.htm
Later an LTTE spokeman (not Balasingham himself) backtracted by saying that “We did not own up to the killing, but we just expressed” (read your own link from NDTV).
This is what Balasingham said :
“As far as that event [Rajiv assassination] is concerned, I would say it is a great tragedy, a monumental historical tragedy for which we deeply regret and we call upon the Government of India and the people of India to be magnanimous to put the past behind and to approach the ethnic question in a different perspective.”
This is nothing short of an apology.
LTTE’s backtracking happened because the Indian Government rejected LTTE’s apology :
Govt rejects LTTE apology for Rajiv killing
Anton (“incredibly stupid”) Balasingham’s apology to India …
The Sinhalese people form the largest ethnic group in the nation, composing approximately 74% of the total population. Sri Lankan Tamils form 18% of the population, and are mainly concentrated in the northeastern part of the country.
Demographics of Sri Lanka - Wikipedia Sri Lanka - Wikipedia
I have provided you news reports from the Sri-Lankan media about India’s training of hundreds of Sri-Lankan military personnel in India, which is still continuing. I guess you should read the news which I posted about India providing the LTTE with surveillance radars (its all on the previous page of this thread).
What Pakistan has provided are mostly small-arms and ammunition.
Not just militarily, India has provided the following assistance to SL :
#It was noted that India has made an initial allocation of a Credit Line of US$ 100 million for the integrated development of the Colombo – Matara rail network. It was agreed at the request of the Sri Lanka side, that India would take this process forward by the extension of concessionary terms to be mutually agreed upon, for the allocated credit of US$ 100 million, and for any additional credit to be made available for the said project. A multi-disciplinary delegation from India has already visited Sri Lanka. A delegation of officials from Sri Lanka representing the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Railways, will visit India in turn to discuss and agree on the technical and engineering aspects of the project, and the terms and conditions of the Credit Line.
#The two leaders welcomed the bilateral understandings being reached on identifying joint ventures for the development of the eastern Sri Lankan port city of Trincomalee, and its surrounding region. They noted the need to prepare a Master Plan for realizing, including through the building up of the necessary infrastructural support, the full economic potential held out by Trincomalee and its environs. It was agreed in this context that a coal based power project of capacity 2x250 MW will be set up in the Trincomalee region of Sri Lanka, as a joint venture between the National Thermal Power Company Ltd, a Government of India enterprise and the Ceylon Electricity Board, a Government of Sri Lanka entity.
#** It was noted that the training of 450 Sri Lankan Policemen has already commenced in different institutions in India.**
#Sri Lanka welcomed the donation of medical equipment as Tsunami relief to the affected hospitals of Point Pedro and of Hambantota. The Indian side announced that it had initiated action to prepare a Detailed Project Report on the rehabilitation of the tsunami-damaged Base Hospital in Trincomalee. The Indian side also indicated that construction of the new 150-bed Hospital at Dickoya in the Central Province is expected to commence shortly. The Government of India further announced that it would provide equipment to set up a fully-equipped Obstetrics and Gynaecology unit in the existing hospital at Dickoya.
sri Lanka is appreciative of the Indian offer to provide intellectual and academic resources in support of the peace process. The Sri Lankan side thanked the Indian side for the presentation, during the Presidential State visit, on distribution of powers between Centre, States and local government in India.
Rs. 2000 crores in 1980s was approximately equal to today’s $1 billion.
IPKF Jaffna Hospital massacre remembered
LTTE/Tamil Nadu websites
These are LTTE or Tamil websites which say this. So whatever you say is LTTE propaganda.
Please read up on these :
The Indian Army in Sri-Lanka : 1987-1990.
(Incidentally, this is more time than RAW spent training the LTTE 1982-83)
Also kindly read this :
India-Sri-Lanka peace accord
It is strongly supported by references and links.
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No indian govt ministers in this term have supported LTTE. where did u get that from. They may support the tamilians. yes.
I support the tamilians rightfull existance in srilanka.. ofcourse the LTTE has taken it a bit too far. A soveriegn tamil nation in the footstep of India is not good for India. It will not stop there and will spread to Tamil nadu and that exactly why India refuse to help the ltte. The atrocities the sinhalese majority did to the minority tamils was brutal. There were treated as second class citizens and allowed not to vote. Most of the business establishment run in colombo were by the tamilians but had to abondoned and fled from the country due the ethnic cleansing that the sinhalese unleased in the 50s and 60s. This caused the rise of the tigers. Now the srilankan govt is seeing sense and want peace. Now its bettter for the tigers to lay down the arms and join main stream politics. India could play a mediatory role and ensure peace. Do not sent their troops though. Pro tamilians doesnt mean pro ltte. There are many organisation in tamilnadu and most of tamil nadu sympathises with the tamilian population in srilanka, and this is true also for the rest of the world. LTTE killed many of the people from these tamil organisations to stamp their authority on the tamil couse. So most dont sympathises with LTTE stand on blowing up people or revange kind of attitude.
Tamilians are very nice people and has a rich culture and civilisation that encomposses whole of south asia including malaysia, indonesia and ofcourse srilanka and india. Disregarding the opinion of the south would lead to alianation of the south india and give credence to politicians to whip up passion saying that india is only north and there is no south part for the north politicians. India payed it heavily by disregarding the dissent in the south by senting our troops to the south. Now they should not enter into any kind of army assistance to the Srilanka to use these weapons against tamil minority.
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The IPKF then came to Sri Lanka, ended up fighting the LTTE and killed and raped and looted from Tamil civilians. They ended being hated both by all Sri Lankans. You might want to read about all the massacres and rapes they carried out in Jaffna and in the Tamil majority areas. Funny thing was that injured LTTE cadres were provided medicines and respite in hospitals in Tamil Nadu when they were fighting Indian jawans! The foolish Indian government - like the Americans in Afghanistan - never thought that what they fed and nurtured would turn around and bite them. 1200 Indian soldiers died for nothing except in a failed attempt to exert Indian hegemony over Sri Lanka. They were defeated by the LTTE which continues to brag about killing so many Indian soldiers. Not only that, ex prime minister Rajiv Gandhi got blown up into a million pieces by an LTTE suicide bomber.
As for you claims of "ethnic cleansing" carried out by the Sinhalese, well sorry to burst your bubble but most Tamils in Sri Lanka live outside the north and the east and among the majority Sinhalese. Either they must be really brave, really dumb or there is no ethnic cleansing happening. Heck, even the Sri Lankan Tamil politicians who cheer and clap on the LTTE live in Colombo and Tamil newspapers that celebrate the LTTE attacks are based in Colombo. The only ethnically cleansed areas in Sri Lanka are those areas held by the LTTE who claim to be "sole representatives" of the Tamils. In these areas there are no non-Tamils. Muslims and Sinhalese have been ethnically cleansed. They have been killed and butchered and chased away by the LTTE. It is the rest of Sri Lanka (among the majority Sinhalese) that is multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-lingual. Sinhalese and Muslim students don't even study in the Jaffna university even though the area is under government control because they fear for their lives from Tamil extremists. But Tamils study in all the universities all across the island.
Nothing you say changes the fact that India armed and trained and funded a terrorist organization in a neighbouring country. Nothing you say changes the fact that Indian ministers continue to support the LTTE's terror and violence in Sri Lanka. Nothing you say changes the fact that India is a two faced nation crying about "cross border terrorism" but doing just that against Sri Lanka... and no doubt against Bangladesh and Pakistan as well.
Funny how India gets its knickers in a knot over Tamil refugees... but it's total silence when it comes to Muslims who have been ethnically cleansed and killed by the LTTE.
If India does not want to have a defence relationship with Sri Lanka because of Tamil fanatics in its country (right now these Tamil extremists are screaming at Kerala over a dam - before this it was with Karnataka over water and Bangalore), then I think Pakistan should step in and fill the void. Along with China.
PS No monument to Indian soldiers had been built in Sri Lanka. The proposal is brought up every now and then by the government of Sri Lanka but it always goes on the backburner because Sri Lankan Tamils absolutely hate the IPKF and what it did in the Tamil majority areas of the country.
where do u live shahid. and where did u get all this crap from. I am from kerala. Of course there is tension between tamil nadu and neighbouring state for water, mainly because TN falls in the rain shadow region of the country. The south west monsoon dont touch TN. Only the weak north east monsoon brings some rain. Hence tamilnadu would like to have as much water as possible for their irrigation. These are very hardworking people and kerala would starve if TN stop sending in truck loads of vegetables and rice through the western ghats.
India made mistake or TN did help LTTE in the years when there were really atrocities commited against them by the SL govt. But then it changed. India actively made sure that LTTE dont have foothold in TN. After rajiv gandhis assasiantion there was zero tolerance for tamil tigers. Tamilians themselves made sure of that. The CBI that tracked down mastermind of bombing of rajiv was a tamilian. Even dmk who have a very sympathetic to tamil movements in srilanka and in India kept away from LTTE. This actully cannot be said for some of our neighbours who are still involved in cross border terrorism. May be when one of their leaders get blown up will they understand.:).
Do u think Srilankan govt and its army are angels. They kill civilians without any provocation. Even last week there was an attack on the refuge camp killing around 50 people. International agencies are not only blaming ltte but also equally blaming the Srilankan govt for their atrocities. Even recruiting children to fight their wars.
If pakistan want to support go ahead and support. Let me see how many tamilians they could kill. Actually u should go there as a peace keepers. It will b fun.U have no idea about the terrain u r dealing with. Its not the deserts of afghanistan and barren mountain ranges. But jungles.
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This actully cannot be said for some of our neighbours who are still involved in cross border terrorism. May be when one of their leaders get blown up will they understand.:).
Do u think Srilankan govt and its army are angels. They kill civilians without any provocation. Even last week there was an attack on the refuge camp killing around 50 people. International agencies are not only blaming ltte but also equally blaming the Srilankan govt for their atrocities. Even recruiting children to fight their wars.
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I am just wondering Vineshvk whether we can draw an analogy of Kashmir with Tamils. You said yourself that not only Tamil tigers but also Sri Lankan government should be held responsible for the atrocities committed against the civilians. Then do you also agree that the Indian government is also violating human rights in Kashmir? Secondly, if you support the right of self-determination of Tibet and Palestine then why are you against the Kashmiri's right of self-determination?
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[quote=vineshvk] This actully cannot be said for some of our neighbours who are still involved in cross border terrorism. May be when one of their leaders get blown up will they understand.:). Do u think Srilankan govt and its army are angels. They kill civilians without any provocation. Even last week there was an attack on the refuge camp killing around 50 people. International agencies are not only blaming ltte but also equally blaming the Srilankan govt for their atrocities. Even recruiting children to fight their wars.
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I am just wondering Vineshvk whether we can draw an analogy of Kashmir with Tamils. You said yourself that not only Tamil tigers but also Sri Lankan government should be held responsible for the atrocities committed against the civilians. Then do you also agree that the Indian government is also violating human rights in Kashmir? Secondly, if you support the right of self-determination of Tibet and Palestine then why are you against the Kashmiri's right of self-determination?
drawing analogy between kashmir and LTTE will take this discussion on the tangents.
The comparison I drew was indias support to LTTE and pakistan support to kashmir struggle. India had to loose one of its sons to really understand the importance of not medling in others affairs. But still pakistan is not able to see the light.
:). The rest i dont want to discuss here - but if u want start a thread in the pak3 and we can discuss there.
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Rajapakse seeks Indian Navy’s help against Tamil Sea Tigers
S M A Kazmi Posted online: Monday, November 27, 2006 at 0000 hrs Print Email Says no to international military interference to curb the LTTE
Dehra Dun, Nov 26: On the eve of his meeting with Indian leaders, Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapakse ruled out any international military help to check Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), but requested India to help curb the increasing naval strength of the Tamil tigers through joint naval patrolling.
The Sri Lankan president, talking to media persons after laying the foundation stone of the Indo-Sri Lanka Human Rights Centre for South Asian countries at the Rural Litigation and Entitlement Kendra (RLEK) — a non-government organisation here, said he would explain the Sri Lankan situation to the Indian leaders.
“Tamil sea tigers, the naval wing of the LTTE is not only a threat to Sri Lanka but to India as well. Apart from arms, drugs are also being shipped through the naval route,” he said.
He said Indian leaders, particularly Tamil politicians, should understand the situation and not be guided by one version, but know both sides of the story.
Ruling out intervention by any foreign military force to contain the LTTE, Rajapakse claimed that Sri Lanka was capable of dealing with them. He also mentioned that he had extended an invitation of negotiated settlement with the LTTE, but had been replied with violence and bloodshed. “I waited for one full year after taking over before taking recourse to military action,” he said.
Regarding human rights violations in his country,** Rajapakse said he himself has been a human rights activist and had ordered impartial inquiries into such violations. “No country has appointed such a unique impartial commission which has been appointed by Sri Lanka and is headed by P N Bhagwati, a former Chief Justice of India and a member of the International Human Rights Commission of the United Nations, to look into all such violations,” he said.**
Earlier, the Sri Lankan president inaugurated the three day first Asian Mayors’ Conference here. Speaking on the occasion, he said his country was keen to adopt Indian model of autonomy in local-self government. He also highlighted the various issues of development confronting the urban areas in Asia including poverty, migration and slums.
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Sri lankan Air Force train in Chandigarh 13 Nov, 2006 1837hrs
CHANDIGARH: A group of six Sri Lankan Air Force personnel are currently attending training programme at the Indian Air Force station here.
“We are a group of six and are undergoing electrical first line course for MiG-27s here,” said Sergeant Perera.
The training programme started from October 14 and would end on January 5, 2007, he and another sergeant Srigunasinghe said adding that theirs was the third batch from Sri Lanka to receive training here.
Another Sri Lankan trainee Ariyadasa said the island nation was going to purchase four aircrafts from Russia and this course would come handy for them.
Srigunasinghe said a batch from their country had received training in basic concepts from Pakistani Air Force in 1999-2000.
Air Marshal A K Singh, Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of western air command, who was on an inspection visit here, also interacted with these personnel and inquired about their training programme.
Earlier, Station Commander, Group Captain B K Sood briefed the Air Marshal about the training programmes conducted at the station as well as different innovations and training aids developed here.
Singh inspected different sections of the station, including newly set up MiG-29 training complex.
Talking to reporters later, Sood said Singh as assistant chief of air staff (training) had introduced new concepts of training, which were now being implemented in different training establishments.
About the technical type training (tettra) school here, he said it had turned out to be a premier training base for MiG-27 and MiG-29 in the last one year.
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Sri lank is not like Bangladesh or pakistan. They are better than the two jehad infested countries. They are well educated and socially developed people than those two nations. The only problem they have is the civil war which is due the language problem.
The solution for the Sri lanka conflict is to join srilank to Indian union and make srilanka into two states, ie, the tamil area of northern srilanka a seperate "Elam" state and the rest as "lankan" state. So that the tamils in the northern part of Srilank can enjoy their rights just as a Tamil,marathi or a Malayalee enjoys in the Indian union now. And the sinhalees people also can be happy becoz they will get a seperate identity just as various ethnic groups living together in India. Since Srilanka have a good relation with India there wont be any problem and they can adjust with the federalism of India.
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Ignoring most of your stupid remarks, the point you are basically trying to get across is that sri lanka should just surrender to india and give half thier country to foreign bandits whilst submitting the rest of thier country at a later date? Get stuffed. Sri lanka Alhamdulilah are friendly with pakistan, because they also know what india is about...
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no need for this. let lanka be independent and happy!...