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A pakistani ambassadors car was blown up in sri lanka (Alhamdulilah everyone was ok though), why was india not accused?
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Despite your attempt to whitewash the Indian government, abhiman, the truth of the matter is that the Indian government has been and continues to be double faced. Back in those days the Indian government under Indira Gandhi harboured territorial ambitions over Sri Lanka. The Indian government wanted to control and bully Sri Lanka and that is exactly what it did. Dixit - India's ambassador to Sri Lanka was forever threatening to invade the country if Sri Lanka did not bow to India's wishes. India armed and trained and supported a terrorist group that would destabilise Sri Lanka. They poured money, provided arms to and trained the LTTE on Indian soil. They pushed down an Indo-Lankan accord that no one in the island wanted. Despite what you would like to believe it had nothing to do about "caring" for Tamils who were allegedly "brutally purged."
The IPKF then came to Sri Lanka, ended up fighting the LTTE and killed and raped and looted from Tamil civilians. They ended being hated both by all Sri Lankans. You might want to read about all the massacres and rapes they carried out in Jaffna and in the Tamil majority areas. Funny thing was that injured LTTE cadres were provided medicines and respite in hospitals in Tamil Nadu when they were fighting Indian jawans! The foolish Indian government - like the Americans in Afghanistan - never thought that what they fed and nurtured would turn around and bite them. 1200 Indian soldiers died for nothing except in a failed attempt to exert Indian hegemony over Sri Lanka. They were defeated by the LTTE which continues to brag about killing so many Indian soldiers. Not only that, ex prime minister Rajiv Gandhi got blown up into a million pieces by an LTTE suicide bomber.
As for you claims of "ethnic cleansing" carried out by the Sinhalese, well sorry to burst your bubble but most Tamils in Sri Lanka live outside the north and the east and among the majority Sinhalese. Either they must be really brave, really dumb or there is no ethnic cleansing happening. Heck, even the Sri Lankan Tamil politicians who cheer and clap on the LTTE live in Colombo and Tamil newspapers that celebrate the LTTE attacks are based in Colombo. The only ethnically cleansed areas in Sri Lanka are those areas held by the LTTE who claim to be "sole representatives" of the Tamils. In these areas there are no non-Tamils. Muslims and Sinhalese have been ethnically cleansed. They have been killed and butchered and chased away by the LTTE. It is the rest of Sri Lanka (among the majority Sinhalese) that is multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-lingual. Sinhalese and Muslim students don't even study in the Jaffna university even though the area is under government control because they fear for their lives from Tamil extremists. But Tamils study in all the universities all across the island.
Nothing you say changes the fact that India armed and trained and funded a terrorist organization in a neighbouring country. Nothing you say changes the fact that Indian ministers continue to support the LTTE's terror and violence in Sri Lanka. Nothing you say changes the fact that India is a two faced nation crying about "cross border terrorism" but doing just that against Sri Lanka... and no doubt against Bangladesh and Pakistan as well.
Funny how India gets its knickers in a knot over Tamil refugees... but it's total silence when it comes to Muslims who have been ethnically cleansed and killed by the LTTE.
If India does not want to have a defence relationship with Sri Lanka because of Tamil fanatics in its country (right now these Tamil extremists are screaming at Kerala over a dam - before this it was with Karnataka over water and Bangalore), then I think Pakistan should step in and fill the void. Along with China.
PS No monument to Indian soldiers had been built in Sri Lanka. The proposal is brought up every now and then by the government of Sri Lanka but it always goes on the backburner because Sri Lankan Tamils absolutely hate the IPKF and what it did in the Tamil majority areas of the country.
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Indian government doesn't deny that LTTE received support during indira gandhi time and later even lost 1200 soldiers fighting against it. and your government is still in denial mode!
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Oh Please. The Indian government has been in denial mode ever since it happened. It conveniently and happily points fingers at Pakistan screaming about "cross border terrorism" but ignores what it did in Sri Lanka.
My government? LOL :D
The Sri Lankan government, owing to its friendly ties with India NEVER BRINGS THE ISSUE UP even though it has a great case against Indian-sponsored terrorism in Sri Lanka. Even when these idiot Indian politicians continue to voice their support for the LTTE which is a banned organization in India, Sri Lanka doesn't point out the obvious hypocrisy. I am surprised that ties between India and Sri Lanka are so good after what India has done to her neighbour. Look at the neighbourhood and you will find that the friendliest countries towards India are Sri Lanka and Nepal. Both Pakistan and Bangladesh do not stand for any Indian bullying or threats. Either Sri Lankan leaders are lacking self respect and are subservient to India or they are forward looking and willing to forget the past for the sake of the future - take your pick.
It is not Sri Lanka that has been hostile towards India. On the contrary, all the way from Independence Sri Lanka was willing to walk side by side with India. But India was not interested. India wanted to control and bully and push around her southern neighbour; she armed and trained and financed a terror organization that continues to wreak havoc in that country. She was not happy that Sri Lanka had good relations with Pakistan. Even after all of that Sri Lanka extended and continues to extend her hand of friendship to India. Do you know that Sri Lanka even briefs India about its defence relationship with Pakistan? Yes, a sovereign country (Sri Lanka) goes out of its way not to offend a neighbour (India) that is directly responsible for so much death and destruction in the country.
However it is Pakistan that has stood by Sri Lanka military through thick and thin. India just provides lip service about being against the LTTE, and nothing more. India does not want to see Sri Lanka developing and becoming a prosperous country. It is in her interest to have ALL of her neighbouring countries in chaos so she can dominate them all. India has an interest in seeing the conflict in Sri Lanka continue for as long as it can.
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haayy...sooooo trueeeeee. that india thinks that a prosperous srilanka will make indians unhappy that it will overtake india also!....WAKE UP
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^ didn't tell with any superiority complex
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besides, ab hum kya karen?....jao yaar
indira gandhi paid a price with her life for supporting tamil tigers and rajiv gandhi paid with his life for sending troops against LTTE. what these politicians do, because of that soldiers, ordinary civilians are all affected. now propagate what u want to propagate
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Indira gandhi was asassinated by sikh body guards, even though she requested them over a totally different issue...
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India does not want to see a peaceful and prosperous Sri Lanka. She wants to control and bully all her neighbours and keep them in her sphere of influence. One of the best ways to do this is to sponsor a terror organization in the neighbouring country and that is what India has done. India wants to keep her neighbours poor and in chaos because she wants to control them. You might like to believe that India is some nice country that wants peace and prosperity in her neighbouring countries but the truth is the opposite.
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Well that’s not true.
I think you are making that up. I guess you can read the history of Sri-Lankan conflict.
What Norway is doing today, India was doing in the late '80s. India and Sri-Lankan governments signed a Peace Accord and the IPKF was sent in accordance with that to maintain peace between the LTTE and Sri-Lankan military.
That the RAW armed and trained the LTTE cadres for a couple of years is well known. What is also more well-known is that India spent close to a billion dollars and sacrificed 1200 of its soldiers fighting Sri-Lanka’s war on its behalf.
Sri-Lankan purging of Tamils is one of the best-kept secrets in the world. Otherwise why would Tamils who have been living in Sri-Lanka since the past 1500 years in peace would suddenly take up arms to fight against SL?
This is all Tamil/LTTE propaganda. A journalist from the Indian-Express (who is now its editor) first reported about LTTE camps in India and later wrote a report of “massacres”. Assuming that the massacre-theory is true, the total number of people killed in those “massacres” is 40.
This theory got refuted when recently, LTTE’s top commander Anton Balasingham apologized to India and the Indian Government for their killing of Rajiv Gandhi which was broadcast about 4 months back.
He said it was a big mistake, we need India’s support, etc. etc.
Tiger Leader appologizes for 1991 killing of Indian Prime-Minister
Anyway, you can’t ordinarily distinguish between Tamil women, children, civillians and LTTE cadre. If some 50 of these people were killed, someone thought to call it a “massacre”.
Actually 1200 Indian soldiers fought the LTTE for and on behalf of Sri-Lanka. They dislodged the LTTE from Jaffna in 2 weeks, which was not accomplished by SL military in a few years.
You can read this article :
So like I don’t see how does that translate into “hegemony”.
Like I said, one LTTE cannot dilute the 1500 year old relationship between LTTE and Tamils nay the ties between India and Sri-Lanka which date back to Emperor Asoka.
Anyway, most Tamils live in North-east and east Sri-Lanka where they are demanding a separate-state. They have their own economy, administration, judiciary, police, states et. al.
Still for your analogy :
Tens of thousands of Muslim Kashmiri youth are in the Indian Army, Kashmir police, Goverment services and Universities. All the politicians, government servants, Chief Minister, and other ministers are Kashmiri Muslims who denounce militancy and work against millitancy.
The Indian government obviously supports them and the Tamils in mainland Sri-Lanka !!
India has been training Sri-Lankan military since quite some time :
This is from a Sri-Lankan Newspaper :-
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More training opportunities for Sri Lankan military personnel
Sunday, October 29, 2006, 13:50 GMT, ColomboPage News Desk, Sri Lanka.**
Oct 29, Colombo: Director General of Military Training for the Indian Army, Major General V.K. Ahluwalia, is now in Sri Lanka to study the training needs of Sri Lankan military personnel.
India is going to provide more training opportunities for the Sri Lankan military with the aim of boosting the defence relationship between the two countries.
Already a large number of Sri Lankan military personnel are receiving military training in India, and the number of participants and the scope of training provided will be increased in the future, sources said.
Major General Ahluwalia has held discussions with Sri Lankan Chief of Defence Staff Donald Perera, Navy Commander Wasantha Karannagoda and Army Commander Sarath Fonseka. He will meet several other military and political leaders as well during his stay in the island.
The Indian Major General is accompanied by Colonel Pankaj Saxena and Lieutenant Colonel S.C. Rana KC of the Indian Army.
^^How does this translate to “hegemony” ??
** India gifts military radars to Sri Lanka**
NEW DELHI: After about six years, India has resumed its defence ties with Sri Lanka with the commissioning of two military radars to secure the island-nation against low-level aerial attacks.
The decision to gift the indigenously made Indra radars was made late last year following reports that the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) was scouting the global arms market for air assets. At present, the LTTE is believed to possess a couple of micro light aircraft. It had also developed two airstrips in the area under its control.
The last time India provided military capabilities to Sri Lanka was in 2000, when it gifted a fast attack craft, to help maintain sea dominance in general and check LTTE activities in particular.
Confirming the installation of the radars, non-military sources said the gift fell under the category of “defensive and non-lethal equipment” and was in line with India’s policy to help the militaries of neighbouring countries to counter threats from non-state actors.
The decision to gift the radars was taken on the eve of Sri Lankan President Mahendra Rajapakse’s maiden visit to India in December last but was not disclosed by the defence establishment.
http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/27/stories/2006062708251200.htm
INDIA-SRI LANKA DEFENCE AGREEMENT
THE WORKING UNDERSTANDING reached by India and Sri Lanka on a draft defence pact speaks to the cordiality in the relationship between the two countries achieved over the last decade, enduring political changes in both. The idea of a defence cooperation agreement was first discussed in October 2003 when Ranil Wickremesinghe was Prime Minister of Sri Lanka and the National Democratic Alliance was in power in New Delhi. There are new governments in place in both capitals but the seamless finalisation of the draft agreement reflects a shared perception of security issues on both sides of the Palk Straits. It is no secret that this convergence arises mainly from the threat posed by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and its goal of a separate Tamil state in the North-East.
For many years, even pre-dating the island’s ethnic conflict, India has provided training to Sri Lankan military personnel. Intelligence sharing has on several occasions helped the Sri Lankan Navy intercept arms shipments to the LTTE. India suspended the sale of military supplies to Sri Lanka in the 1980s but started sending non-lethal equipment to Colombo following LTTE offensives that led to the escalation of the conflict in 2000. The most significant item sent was perhaps the Offshore Patrol Vessel to enhance the Sri Lankan Navy’ s maritime surveillance potential.
http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/26/stories/2004102602761000.htm
As for Pakistani military assistance, it is probably assistance on the Kfir fighter jets of SLAF, which is similar to the Mirage fighter that PAF operates. Other than that, there is hardly anything else.
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Yes it is true. India wanted Sri Lanka to be a part of it. Failing that, it wanted to control the country entirely which is why it even slipped the condition that Trincomalee harbour was not to be used by any country inimical to India in the Indo-Lanka accord. India wanted complete and unfettered control of the Indian ocean and not to have a separate, sovereign country on its southern doorstep. India still wishes to keep Sri Lanka under her thumb and within her sphere of influence.
Maybe you can have nice long look at the map of Indian extremists - the so called “Akhand Bharat.” Whaddaya know, Sri Lanka is a part of India…and so is Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan and Burma.
The Indian ambassador J N Dixit was hated by Sri Lankans. I think you should read the writings of K. Godage - Sri Lanka’s former Associate Foreign secretary and read about Dixit’s threats, rantings and his pompous nature. He was the Ugly Indian representing an imperialistic and arrogant Indian government of the time. All Indian ambassadors since him have been 100x better.
LOL! Hilarious! 
Norway is not arming and training and financing a terrorist organization in a foreign country. Norway came to Sri Lanka on the invitation of the Sri Lankan government - it didn’t barge in and stick it’s nose in like India did. It’s not forcing anything on Sri Lanka like India did with the Indo-Lanka Accord. The Indo-Lanka Accord was forced upon Sri Lanka by a regional bully. There is nothing similar about what India did then and what Norway is doing now.
Well known? You mean well hidden. It’s something the Indian government brushes under the carpet when it yells and screams at Pakistan about “cross border terrorism.” When did India spend close to a billion dollars? It did not “sacrifice” 1200 soldiers fighting Sri Lanka’s war - it sent them to cement Indian hegemony over the island and nothing more. But their campaign failed because the LTTE gave the Indian soldiers a good hiding. And the Tamil population hated them for their raping, looting and massacres of Tamil civilians in Tamil majority areas. Those 1200 soldiers died for nothing at all. Frankly, I’m surprised the Sri Lankan government wants to build a memorial to them at all.
What “purging” of Tamils? Please let me know thanks. Why would Muslims who have been living in India for thousands of years seek a separate state? Why are naxalites seeking to break up India? Why is there separatism happening in India’s North Eastern states? Why are Tamil nationalists in Tamil Nadu seeking to create a separate Tamil country? Look’s like India has her own Tamil separatist movement with the Tamil Nadu Liberation Army and all those Dravidian extremist groups who are anti-north Indian.
And 1500 years of peace? Historically, Tamils have been invading Sri Lanka from South India (Cholas) for thousands of years, laying waste to everything in their path and destroying Sinhalese kingdoms and razing their ancient cities like Anuradhapura. That is how the Sinhalese have been pushed to the south of the island when even the oldest historical remains in Jaffna show that the Sinhalese inhabited those areas since ancient times. Tamils already have a homeland called TAMIL NADU (LAND OF THE TAMILS in English) which is twice the size of Sri Lanka with 60 million Tamils and they are now claiming parts of Sri Lanka as yet another homeland and a separate Tamil-only country. There is no way that the rest of the Sri Lankans (88% of the population) will ever agree to this. Let me ask you, how do you think Kannadigas will react if Tamils move into Karnataka and demand 1/3 of the coastline and 30% of Karnataka as a “Tamil homeland”? How will Malayalis react if Tamils move into Kerala and claim 1/3 of the coastline and 30% of Kerala as a “Tamil homeland”? How would the Telugu people react if Tamils moved into Andhra Pradesh and claimed 1/3 of the coastline and 30% of the land there as a "Tamil homeland’? Sri Lankans will never concede 1/3 of the coast line and 30% of the land area for 12% of the population. Who would? It’s a grossly ridiculous claim.
I think you need to learn about the massacre that took place in the Jaffna Teaching Hospital at the hands of the Indian army. Why don’t you talk to Sri Lankan Tamils and see how much they hate the IPKF? Do some research and see what the IPKF got up to in the Tamil-majority areas of Sri Lanka. The IPKF stands for Indian Peace Keeping Force but Sri Lankan Tamils call it the Innocent People Killing Force.
And sorry to burst your bubble again but just this week the LTTE denied its role in the killing of Rajiv Gandhi. And Anton Balasingham - he is NOT a top commander of the LTTE BTW he is a spokesperson and negotiator - never apologised at all. Please show me where he has apologised?
November 22, 2006
LTTE denies hand in Rajiv assassination](http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.asp?template=Lanka&slug=LTTE+denies+hand+in+Rajiv+assassination&id=96815&callid=1&category=National)
http://tinyurl.com/ssqz4
What a laugh. 1200 Indian soldiers fought the LTTE because the LTTE thumbed its nose at the Indo Lanka Accord and started attacking the Indian Army and killing them off. The Indian Army was supposed to disarm the LTTE but failed miserably. There was no altruism there “on and behalf” of Sri Lanka. LOL! I suppose arming and training and financing the LTTE was “on and behalf” of Sri Lanka as well!
LMAO really? Own economy, administration that depends on money from the rest of the country? Who pays for the schools in LTTE areas? Who pays the teachers? Principles? Postal office workers? Judges? Who provides the electricity? Telephone connections? Food? Water? Keeps up the road network?
You think it’s the LTTE?
All of these and more are done by the Sri Lankan government even though these areas are under the control of the LTTE. Learn your facts before blowing hot air my friend.
**And once again, MOST TAMILS live OUTSIDE the Northern and Eastern Provinces and among the majority Sinhalese. **
The LTTE only controls a large swathe of the Vanni and pockets in the east.
India gets her knickers in a knot over Sri Lankan Tamils but NOT A PEEP over the massacres and killings of Muslims by the LTTE. She doesn’t give a toss about Muslim refugees or Sinhalese refugees (yes, surprise surprise they exist!) who have been ethnically cleansed by the LTTE. Today, Tamils live ALL OVER SRI LANKA. It is the Muslims and Sinhalese and Burghers and Sindhis and Bohras etc etc who are barred from areas of their own country simply because they are not Tamils. Does India voice concern over that? Nope. India gets her knickers in a knot about Sri Lankan Tamils but does she care about all those Muslims butchered, killed and raped in Gujarat? Nope.
And as for Indian “training” - well duh, India does not want to see Sri Lanka go to Pakistan or China for all her military needs and fall into their sphere of influence. But Pakistan provides Sri Lanka with TRAINING and MILITARY ARMAMENTS. India, on the other hand, is happy to train, fund, and arm a terrorist organization such as the LTTE, but not a democratically elected government. Pakistan provides much more militarily to Sri Lanka than does Sri Lanka’s closest neighbour who only puts on a friendly facade and acts nice as long as Sri Lanka is subservient to her. In other words, Pakistan is Sri Lanka’s friend in need while India is Sri Lanka’s friend only as long as its in her benefit.
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…india has not been nice…of course it was not. but India does not want a prosperous sri lanka???..hahaha:D:omg:
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a properous sri lanka will contribute to indian economy also. prosperous srilanka will provide more jobs to native sinhalese and also tamils making the tamils in india happy..
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and it is such a greeaaaat help which pakistan is giving to srilanka:D ....Both LTTE and sri lankan government want indian government to mediate which i think india should rather than staying away...ofcourse with care and pre-conditions.
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pakistan also supported, trained a democratically elected government:D ....called taliban
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and kya baat hai bhai…india wants to dominate, make “akhand bharat”…and to make that, kitna powerful hai indiaaa…haaayyy…kitna such bol raha hai…bolte bolte such much “shaheed” ho jaye ga…India ka strenth kitna bada haiii…super power jo hai 
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As a indian, i take responsibility that india made mistakes in sri lanka and tried to undo them at a later stage. only thing it paid a price for it. At one stage i even feel, why the heck did india involve even in bangladesh in 1971???....if atrocities were being commited on their own people, why should it bother india??....let them treat the way they want their own people!
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You seem to think India is an altruistic country. The truth is, it is not. There are very few countries in the world - if any - that are altruistic. India wants to be the regional power. It already is (except when it comes to Pakistan), but it wants to cement this position. In order to do this, she wants all countries around her to be debilitated and under her influence.
It is Sri Lanka that always seeks to create good relations with India. It is Sri Lanka that proposed a land bridge to India, it is Sri Lanka that wanted to have a common currency, it is Sri Lanka that proposed that Indian currency be legal tender in Sri Lanka, it is Sri Lanka that offers Indians visa on arrival (not reciprocated by India BTW), it is Sri Lanka that proposed a Free Trade Agreement (India’s first in South Asia) etc. Sri Lanka, since Independence, never fought or challenged India’s dominant regional status but always looked towards a friendly and mutually beneficial relationship (contrast that with other neighbours of India in the region). But it was India that trained, financed and armed a terrorist organization in her neighbour, a terrorist organization that continues to wreak havoc there. So if this is the way India treats a friendly country that has and is always reaching out to her, can you imagine how she treats her enemies?
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^^there is a proverb "You can wake up a man who is really sleeping, but u can never wake up a man who is pretending to sleep"...
I considered india as a altruistic country in my earlier posts......ha!
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It takes a person of good character to recognize their mistakes. At least you can see where India went wrong instead of denying it and whitewashing everything that the Indian government has done in the region (just like misguided Americans do with the US government). The good thing is that India today is not the same arrogant bully it was in the past. And that is a good thing for the region. As the largest country in the region India ought to be mature and act like a leader and not a bully who wants to push others around just because she can. India has many friends in Sri Lanka - not least the government, the opposition and other political parties (ie the entire SL polity). But it only takes an arrogant and one-sided move from India to turn all that goodwill around. Right now, I would say that out of all her immediate neighbours India has her most cordial relationship with Sri Lanka. That relationship will be damaged if India bends to Tamil extremists from Tamil Nadu and will only serve to push Sri Lanka away into the hands of China and Pakistan - and thus the loss of another ally.
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It is Sri Lanka that always seeks to create good relations with India. It is Sri Lanka that proposed a land bridge to India, it is Sri Lanka that wanted to have a common currency, it is Sri Lanka that proposed that Indian currency be legal tender in Sri Lanka, it is Sri Lanka that offers Indians visa on arrival (not reciprocated by India BTW), it is Sri Lanka that proposed a Free Trade Agreement (India's first in South Asia) etc. Sri Lanka, since Independence, never fought or challenged India's dominant regional status but always looked towards a friendly and mutually beneficial relationship (contrast that with other neighbours of India in the region). But it was India that trained, financed and armed a terrorist organization in her neighbour, a terrorist organization that continues to wreak havoc there. So if this is the way India treats a friendly country that has and is always reaching out to her, can you imagine how she treats her enemies?
good that sri lanka came up with such proposals......Even india came up with MFN status to pakistan first...now dare say india is better than pakistan??....
and india doesn't want visa regulations to loosened. the reason is simple. Doesn't want LTTE to get in easily.