most of the people say dat if it is pronounced in three different sittings then only its considered valid…so is it true??
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The OP is trying to point out 3 talaqs in 1 sitting vs. 3 talaqs in 3 different sittings… you crazy ppl 
mrs zulfiqar, you would be better off posting your question in the religion forum I think.
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I can move it to R&S forum but according to four sunni school of thoughts, its 3 talaqs whether in one sitting or 2 or 3.
Those who say that its should be in 3 different occasions and no matter how many you give in one sitting, its only on talaq .. are wrong.
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four sunni school of thoughts are wrong. so are you.
Quran has a correct and detailed procedure prescribed in it. If sunni school of thought is ignorant then it is a Ghost school, and you are an obedient student 
You can find dummy’s guide for Talaq proceude in market ; or borrow it from aunty Kulsoom / uncle hidayat who read it like parrot every morning after sunrise, but have no clue about its contents.
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According to our beloved prophet (Sunnah), it has to be in three different occasions. Even if said in anger, Quran says let the wife remain with husband…she should not leave so there remains a chance of getting closer and having RUJU (as Quran mentions Talaq one of most disliked acts).
Talaq under the influence of black magic (jadoo) is invalid even if given 10 times, as Quran mentions Haroot and Maroot followers (sorcerers) who do it to break marriages (this is most common reason). Khala wagera kerti hain mostly… The ones who are in magic know after the storm is over what happened to them. (I am saying it 100% sure after consultations with Saudi and Pakistani muftis)
Read Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Allama Iqbal poetry… Read Zarb-e-Kaleem by Allama Iqbal… It’s about marriage, woman, divorce and Allah’s power over sorcerers.
Muje Sey Pehli Se Mohabat Meray Mehboob Na Mang…Un Ginat Sadiyon Kay tareeq Baheemana Talism (by Faiz).
Aaj Bazar Mei Pa-Ba-Jolan Chalo…Dast Afshan Chalo…Must of Raksan Chalo…(by Faiz)
Khuda Karey Ke Meri Arz-e-Pak per utray woh fasl-e-gul jisay andesha-e-zawal na ho…(by Iqbal).
Aey dil-e-nadan…Hum Kyu Bhataktay Hain…Dasht-o-Sehra Mei…(by Iqbal)
Dasht-e-Tanhai Mei…(Faiz).
READ THESE LYRICS IN FULL OR LISTEN TO GHAZALS. THESE ARE REGARDING SEPARATION AND HUSBAND OF WIFE WITH BLACK MAGIC (SORCERY) AND THE HUSBAND LOOSING EVERYTHING, DIVORCE OCCURING AND THEN GOING AWAY FROM HOME…
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Muslim Ummah, another step closer to becoming united. 
P.S: this is not trolling or an unrelated post. This is how I feel after the replies above.
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Muslims are united like a sweater, dude
They never go berserk alone, they take as many as they can with them
Hum tu doobey hain sanam , tum ko bhi le doobain gey 
wah Mastana Malik Sahab wah 
Madam ne Kia umdagi se Gaya hai, ye nazm Amar kar di hai.
Btw, It meaning in my understanding is entirely different Faiz Sahab is addressing his homeland , his motherland
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In Islam there are 2 kinds/procedures of Talaq,
1) As per Teachings of Quran and Sunnah, hence called Talaq-e-Muhammadi
2) As per some aalims...that a talaq can be given in one sittings...
people are free to follow, they can either follow what Quran and Sunnah says or they can do what some aalim says... ( doesn't matter much as in todays world, Quran is last book we ever try to refer for guidance)
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Code_Red, Faiz sahab is mentioning above Love. Good poetry has always two dimensions in it.
For instance, have you studied Zarb-e-Kaleem by Allama Iqbal (about woman) or his other poetry. He had three marriages…his marriage was broken…
Listen to Hur Lehza Hai Momin Ki Naee Aan Naee Shan…Guftar mei Kirdar Mei Allah ke Burhan…
In it he mentions… Yeh Raz kisi ko nahi maloom kay momin… QARI nazar ata hai…Haqeeqat mei hai Quran…It has two dimensions…means a momin can look like a PLAYBOY (KARI)…but in fact he is not…he follows Quran (qahari, ghafari, qudoosi, jabroot are momins characteristics) he may NOT look like with BEARD or SAINT…he has some other poetry which writes about “Masjid kay Imam” in much negative way…(when someone does sorcery on you…they only way to reverse the hex is through Quran and once reversed you are able to see your enemies in worst condition…as the reversal is 3 times more forceful)
Hamsaya-e-Jibreel-e-Ameen Bandaey Khaki…Hai Iska Nasheeman na Bukhara na Badakshan (Bukhara was center of universities…and Badakshan center of business/trading/money) But momins level is above that…
Read Zarb-e-Kaleem… Iqbal saw what your enemy can show you with sorcery… Khuda karey ke meri aarz e pak per utray woh fasl e gul jisay andesha e zawal na ho… READ IT IN FULL TILL END… Main bulbul-e-nalan hun ik ujray gulistan ka…Mohtaj ko data dey…
He then got dishearted with Western fraternity and settled back in Pakistan…went towards TASAWUF (Islamic)…Justice Javed Iqbal was born from his 2nd wife…
I have personally experienced all this.
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mrz zulfi
kin chakron mein parr gayi hain aap.
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according to four sunni school of thoughts, its 3 talaqs whether in one sitting or 2 or 3.
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agree with Tlk
or jo log baat kertay hain quraan ko samjhnay ki ...or sunni school of thoughts ko ghalat kehtay hain
...un k ley yehe jawab kaafe hay k baghair kisi terjummay /translation k app zara quraan ki tafseer or terjuma ker k bataain .....
bismillah hirah man-e-raheem ka terjuma foran kaheen gay ..shuroo kerta hoon Allah ka naam say
halankay ...shuroo kerta hoon ka terjuma kahan say aya ..yeh inhoon nay kabhi khud bhi nahi soocha ho ga
teeen talaq teen hain khuah ik majlis main ho ya alag alag ...isee bat per sahaba ka or phir aaima-e-arba ka ijmma hai
or ijmma ka saboot quran main sorah Nissa ki ayat say saabit hai ...
or Muhammad salal Allaho alyhi wasalam nay fermya ..mere ummat kabhi gummrahe per jamma nahi ho saktee
or fermaya mere sunnat ko thaamo or khulaf-e-rashdeen ki sunnat
ko
hazrat ummr(ra) khlaeefa-e-saani ...kay dor main is baat per ijjmma ho chuka tha k ab jis mard nay bhi 3 talaaq deen khuah ik hee waqt main kaha to taalaaq waqiya ho jayee gee ..or jis majlis main yeh faisla hoa us waqt taqreeban tmam siqaah sahaba mojood thay or kissi nay hazrat ummer say ikhtilaaf na kia
A talaq is not a gibberish word of mouth. It is a procedure described in detail in quran.
One talaq can only complete after a stipulated period of iddat is observed. Which can be between months to 9 months long. A talaq is not complete without it, period. It is clearly written in holy quran
I have explained it dozens of time in detail here.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-and-scripture/288959-talak-ho-chuki-ho-n-pata-n-chule.html
go and read the procedure or consult quran.
^app nay khud is baat ko quraan say samjha hay ? sirf itna bata ain quraan ki ayaat ki tafseer kernay k kitnay asool hain ..chalain kam say kam 5 asool hee bata dain ...
main khud talaaq yaafta lerke hoon or mujhay isee terah ik hee waqt main teen talaaq dee gaye theen
pakistan kay 3 baray madaaris say isee faislay per fatwa hasil hoa hai mujhay !
is maslay per dalaail bilkul waaziah or mazboot hain ...quran say bhi hadees say bhi sahaba kay asaar say bhi or aaima arba or deegar mufassareen muhadseen say !
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If someone issues three Talaaqs in one sitting, in one word for example: "I have given you three Talaaqs " or "To you three Talaaqs" or "one Talaaq two Talaaqs three Talaaqs" etc. then according to ALL the Imaams, and the majority of the Ulema and Imaams of Ahaadith and Fiqh(Jurisprudence), three Talaaqs have taken place and are confirmed. This is termed Talaaq-e-Mughallazah..This form of Talaaq necessitates the immediate separation between husband and wife. Reconciliation can only take place if the wife passes her period of iddat and then marries another man , with whom she has to have had conjugal relations and if he divorces her, then she must pass another period of iddat and only then can she marry the first husband. This whole procedure is called "Halaalah". There is no other method of Reconciliation other than this.
Three Talaaqs in one sitting
A Nikah is meant to last a lifetime. However at times when the marriage has, despite all efforts to save it reached a point of no return, the Shariah has permitted the dissolution of the Nikah by means of Talaaq. Nevertheless, this is the very last resort. Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Alayhi Wasallam) is reported to have said: "The most detested of all permissible things is Talaaq."
The most severe form of Talaaq is the issuing of three Talaaqs. This irrevocably severs the marriage, whether such Talaaq was issued over a period of time or whether in one sitting and in one breath. This is the clear ruling established from the Qur'an and Hadith.
Based on the Noble Qur'an and Hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), the four most respected and distinguished scholars, viz. Imaam Shaaf'ee, Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imaam Maalik, Imaam Ahmed bin Hanbal (Rahmatullaahi Alaihim) hold the view that three Talaaqs occur even when they are issued simultaneously.The discussion hereunder elaborates on this question in detail.
Allah says in the Noble Qur'an:
'Divorce is twice'. (Qur'an 2;229)
In Jalaalain Shareef, a widely accepted commentary of the Noble Qur'an, the explanation of the above verse is given as follows:
'The issuing of divorce after which it is correct to revoke - two (divorce)'
'If the husband divorces (his wife) after two divorces then she is not Halaal for him after the third divorce'.(Jalaalain p.34)
Explaining the above verse, Abu Bakr Jassas Razi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi), an expert in Jurist, states in Ahkaamul Qur'an:
If both Talaaqs are given together, both will be effective and this is clearly indicated in the Qur'an. (Vol. 1 page 387)
Abu Bakr Jassas Razi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) further explains:
'(Upon issuing the third divorce), she (the wife) will not be permissible for him (the husband). There is no difference whether the (divorces) were given in one Tuhr (clean period) or two different Tuhr (clean periods). The ruling will apply with regard to the issuing of all three divorces in which ever way the husband had issued them'.(ibid)
He also states that it is proven from the Noble Qur'an, Sunnah and consensus of pious predecessors that the giving of three Talaaqs simultaneously is effective.
Allama Alusi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) states:
'(And this ruling) upon which the people of Haq (Truth) today have opposed all of that (three Talaaqs being one). ( Ruhul Maani Vol. 2 p.13)
While a detailed explanation from authentic Tafaaseer could be given pertaining to three Talaaqs being effective in one sitting, in the interest of brevity, we will substantiate the same from the Ahaadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam).
Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) reports that when Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) heard one person giving his wife three divorces, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) became angry and said:
'You are making a mockery of the verses of Allah and the Deen of Allah. Whosoever gives his wife a terminating divorce, we will make three binding on him. His wife will not be Halaal for him until she does not marry another husband.' (Darul Qutni Vol.4 p.20)
If three Talaaqs given together were regarded as one then the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) would not have got angry. He would not have said, 'We impose three Talaaqs on him'. He did not even ask if the Talaaqs were given in one sitting. This Hadith is clear in that three divorces given together will be three divorces and not one.
'It is reported from Mahmood Ibn Labid that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) was informed of a person who had given his wife three divorces at once. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) stood up in the state of anger and said, 'Are you playing with the Aayats of Allah and His Kitaab whilst I am among you.' A person stood up and said, 'Oh Rasulullah! Should I not kill him?' (Mishkaat Vol2 p.284)
This Hadith too is explicit that three Talaaqs were given together; therefore Rasulullah (Sallallaahu AAlayhi Wasallam) got angry. If three Talaaqs were one, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) would not have become angry. The Sahaaba also understood from Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) that three Talaaqs were valid and that is why one Sahaabi even asked for permission to kill the person who gave his wife three Talaaqs.
**'Ibn Umar (Radhiyallaahu nhu), **was asked about a person who gave Talaaq three times. He remarked, 'If he had given her one or two divorces he could have taken her back for which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered me the same. But if he had given her three Talaaqs then she is Haraam upon him until she marries another man.' (Bukhari Vol2 p.792)
*In the incident of Lia'an, Hadhrat Uwaymir said to the Prophet *(Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), 'I have spoken a lie on her if I kept her (as my wife). Hence I divorced her three times.' (Mishkaat Vol.2 p.245)
Abu Bakr Jassas Razi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) also quotes this Hadith to substantiate that three divorces in one sitting is three. The action of Hadhrat Uwaymirtook place in the presence of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam). The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) acknowledged its validity as three.
*Once Imaam Hassan *(Radhiyallaahu nhu) told his wife:
'Go away, for you are divorced thrice'
When he was grieved at the separation of his wife, he said:
'If I had not heard my grandfather (Rasulullah) (or if my father did not tell me that he heard my grandfather) saying, 'Whosoever gives his wife three Talaaqs in the state of Tuhr (cleanliness) or three Talaaqs together, she is not Halaal for him until she does not marry another man, until then he cannot take her back.' (Darul Qutni Vol. 2 p.438)
This incident reiterates the fact that three Talaaqs in one sitting is three and not one. If anyone who was worthy of any exception to the Law, it would be the illustrious grandson of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), Hadhrat Hassan bin Ali (Radhiyallaahu Anhu). However, this was not the case. The rule of three Talaaqs in one sitting was binding on him too.
Let us now look at the view of some of the great scholars of Deen on the issue of three Talaaqs being regarded as three in one sitting.
Imaam Bukhari's (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) expertise in the field of Hadith is unanimously accepted. His research in the matter of three Talaaqs concludes that three Talaaqs in one sitting is three and not one. In his Sahih he titled a chapter with the following heading: 'The chapter of he who permits three Talaaqs.' He supports this with the following Hadith:
**Hadhrat Ayesha Radhiyallaahu Anha **narrates that a man gave his wife three divorces. The wife remarried and (incidentally) her (second) husband divorced her. It was then asked to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), 'Is she Halaal for the first husband?' He (Rasulullah) replied, 'No,not until he tastes her sweetness (consummates the marriage) like how the first husband tasted her sweetness.' (Vol. 2 p. 791)
With regard to the above incident Hafiz Ibn Hajar explains that the husband had given his wife three Talaaqs together.
'His words divorced thrice explicitly indicates that (the Talaaqs) were given together.' (Fathul Baari Vol.9 p.280)
*Imaam Muslim *(Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) (a famous student of Imaam Bukhari) also holds the same view as Imaam Bukhari (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi).
Imaam Nawawi (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) writes:
'Imaam Shaaf'ee, Imaam Maalik, Imaam Abu Hanifa, Imaam Ahmad and all the Ulama of the past say that three Talaaqs in one sitting is three.(Muslim vol.1 p.478)
**Some people attempt to justify their claims that three Talaaqs in one sitting constitutes only one Talaaq, by by citing the Hadith of Rukana ibn Yazid (Radhiyallaahu Anhu). **It is claimed that Hadhrat Rukana ibn Yazid (Radhiyallaahu Anhu) pronounced three Talaaqs in one sitting, but Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) declared that it constituted only one Talaaq. However, this Hadith does not contain any clear indication that three Talaaqs were issued. In an explanation to this Hadith, Imaam Muslim quotes many narrations, that Rukana (Radhiyallaahu Anhu) pronounced Talaaq Al-Battat. The word 'Al-Battat' could mean one Talaaq or three Talaaqs. This is dependent on the intention. Therefore Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) did not ask him, 'How did you pronounce the divorces?' but instead, he (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) asked him, 'What did you intend with that?' Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) did not even ask if he pronounced it in one sitting. The complete text of this Hadith is as follows:
'Abdullah ibn Yazid ibn Rukana (Radhiyallaahu Anhu) reports from his father who reported from his grandfather saying, 'I came to Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and said, "Oh` Prophet of Allah! I pronounced Talaaq Al-Battat to my wife". Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) asked him, "What did you intend with that (Al-Battat)", I said, "One (divorce)." The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "By Allah (do you swear)?" I said, "By Allah (I swear)." Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, "Then it is according to what you intend."( Muslim Shareef, (Chapter on Talaaq), Tirmidhi Vol. 1 p. 140 and Abu Daawood Vol. 1 p. 306.)
If we suppose that it was a general rule that three divorces in one sitting constitutes one divorce, then why did the Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) ask him his intention? This questioning in itself indicates that there is a possibility that it could one or threel. The purpose of the questioning was definitely not to ask whether it was in one sitting or not because there is no mention of this in any Sahih Hadith.
*Even the great Sahaabi Ibn Abbas *(Radhiyallaahu Anhu)declared three Talaaqs to be three. This is clearly ascertained from the following narrations.
Mujahid reports, 'I was in the company of Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Anhuma) when a man came and informed him that he had given his wife three Talaaqs. Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Anhuma) remained silent and we thought that he would send her back to him. Then he said, 'You walk and ride on stupidity, then you say: "OhIbn Abbas! Oh Ibn Abbas!" Allah says, "Talaaq (after which revoking is permissible) is twice....." You have disobeyed your Rabb and your wife is separated from you.' (Abu Daud)
Imaam Maalik (Rahmatullaahi Alaihi) in his Muwatta'a quotes the Fatwa of Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Anhuma) as follows:
'It has reached me (Maalik) that one person said to Ibn Abbaas, "I divorced my wife a hundred times, what will you rule on me?" Ibn Abbas said, "She is divorced from you with the first three Divorces and for the ninety-seven, you have taken the Aayats of Allah as a mockery."
From the above quotation, it is clear that Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Anhuma) gave the verdict of three Talaaqs without inquiring the manner i.e. whether given in one Majlis (sitting) and without asking about the intention of the number of Talaaqs.
Hence it is absolutely clear that three divorces issued simultaneously will be effective and they will irrevocably sever the Nikah. Hence Talaaq should not be treated lightly. It is a serious matter with extremely serious consequences.
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Interesting ! 
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PG: Jazakallah for the detailed reply.
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Jee bilkul khud samjha hai , our mut'adid baar apni na samjhi ki tas'eeh ki hia
( I can not write in urdu here as many people can not understand roman urdu, otherwise i can write a complete novel in urdu its not a problem for me )
P_G Your case is not any different from 100s of other cases. Three talaq in one sitting is common practice in pakistan, Because people consult Madaris get fatwa and throw holy quran and Sunnah of prophet (pbuh) out of window.
Now read carefully and answer my question :
P_G
If a girl is divorced once ( 1 talaq di gaye hai) can she marry some other person next day ?
( agar ek larki ko ek talaq hoi hai , kia wo agley din kisi our aadmi se nikah kar sakti hai ? keyon ?)
Answer my question in your own words. Thanks
I totally agree with you malik sahab :k:
Poetry never has single meaning. It has various dimensions.
There might be personal touch here and there but mostly the poetry addresses public. We can only understand their personal grief if we have read their biography. You seems to be quite in touch with it 
But again No one has sung them better than madam noor jahan
har lehza hai momin…
Mujh se pehli si mohabat
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CR nice answer....
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thanks for sharing CR…so nice of u 
I would like to share these two as well…the first one is about rich girls marrying salaried guys (army men) and then asking back their money (also mentions Ghazi ilm-ud-din shaheed)…the second one is about taqdeer…(like Faiz said Tu Jo Mil Jaey Toa Taqdeer Nigoon Ho Jaey)…and also said (Aaj Bazar Mei Pa-Ba-Jolan Chalo…Phir Hum he Qatel ho aaeen yaro, chalo) (its about being cursed by enemies when in love)…two dimensions…love for country and Ishq-e-Majazi.
yeah four sunni school of thoughts are wrong and you are right… good one
and in another thread you were saying you want to become a jew, here you claim that you understand quran. How can we understand Quran when we do not understand those and dont want to listen to them via whom ALLAH SWT made Quran available for us, and they are Sahaba (RA), Tabaeen, Taba-Tabaeen, Aima karam (RA)…