Talibanization of Karachi: Still don't believe it?

Nobody would agree to this phenomenon of Taliban dominating Karachi. Probably because the party who raised the flag consists of most despised community in Pakistan.
ANP used to hold sway in all Pashtun areas in Karachi. But recent reports now suggest that ANP is now losing ground to Taliban. It is also evident from the warning given by Taliban to both ANP and MQM.

With all the chaos and mayhem currently going on in the city, it looks like Karachi still has yet to see the worst.

The red has been bled out of Sohrab Goth and Saeedabad. Once these areas were citadels of the Awami National Party in Karachi: crimson ANP flags dominated the skyline and party offices buzzed with activity. But a dramatic upsurge in violence and target killings over the course of 2012 has **driven the ANP activists out of these Pakhtun-dominated areas.
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And, the party still refuses to name names. “We don’t know who they are,” insists an ANP official.

But what about the police reports of the attackers being Taliban? “The word ‘Taliban’ means students; why would a group of students do this to us? This is either a coterie of petty thugs who’re looking for trouble or someone who, in the garb of the Taliban, is conspiring to obliterate the ANP from Karachi. But we won’t call them Taliban till the same is independently verified in a court of law.”

According to an ANP spokesperson, at least 1,200 of their activists have been ‘attacked’ in Karachi since the end of 2011. But he refuses to say how many were killed, whether by the Taliban or others. (The number cannot be independently verified but, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, there have been 264 politically-motivated target killings in the city in 2012.)

The speak-no-evil stance reflects the double bind the party is in, both physically and politically. From 2005 onwards, when militants started coming to Karachi, the areas they were naturally drawn to were Pashtun-dominated areas, which offered cultural and linguistic homogeneity. Over time, the number of these ‘foreigners’ has increased dramatically and so, correspondingly, has their influence and sway over the areas they live in.

So, while sources within the party will admit that their political leadership in Sindh is under dire threat from “the Taliban, especially from members of the Mehsud tribe” and that the tribesmen are conducting “massive recruitment campaigns in the Pashtun areas of the city, both with carrots and sticks,” the fear of attacks and reprisals keeps the ANP mum.

Complicating this situation are the political considerations. The coastal city is witness to the longstanding vicious turf war between the ANP and the MQM. Referring to the “attackers” as Taliban will first rob the ANP of the option of accusing the MQM of political aggression and, perhaps more significantly, the MQM was the first party to speak of the impending “Talibanisation of Karachi” many years ago and has, in recent weeks, been crowing about it from the rooftops. By identifying the aggressors as the Taliban, the ANP will be conceding the veracity of what they had earlier dismissed as hysteria and, more dangerously, inviting a crackdown by law-enforcement agencies in what are primarily Pashtun-dominated neighbourhoods.

However, the MQM has no such compunctions. “Thousands of Taliban fled Waziristan and Swat in the wake of the army operations and their numbers on the outskirts of Karachi have been increasing for the last three to four years,” says Muhammed Aadil Khan, the party’s MPA from Gadap Town which lies on the north-western edge of the city and includes Pashtun strongholds such as Sohrab Goth, Mangophir, Gulshan-e-Maymar and Surjani Town.

“Since there isn’t any formal registration of these migrants, we have no records regarding their numbers. It’s all guess work.”

But the effects these unspecified number are having are far less amorphous.

The tale of Manghopir

The rugged hill range of Manghopir, on the outskirts of Karachi, is home to one of the city’s oldest shrines and the Sheedis, an ethnic community which calls itself descendants of African settlers. Over time, the myths surrounding the Sufi saint buried there, the purportedly curative powers of the area’s springs, the crocodiles and the hash-scented annual urs and the Sheedi mela have fused to create a powerful cultural meme. Till now, that is.

According to locals, a few months ago residents of the Pashtun-dominated ghettos in the area — Kunwari Colony, Pakhtunabad and Sultanabad — were served with handbills warning them to keep their women at home. (There are also unverified reports of public flogging of some women for the offence of leaving home without a male escort.) And, the results were almost instantaneous.

“If you visit the Thursday bazaar near Sultanabad, you can see the effect the Taliban re having,” says a police official whose last posting was in that area but is too scared to talk on the record. “Till a few months ago, the bazaar was mainly frequented by women. Now the number of Pakhtun women visiting the bazaar has dropped by at least 50 per cent.”

Even non-governmental organisations working for the uplift of communities in the Taliban-dominated areas are feeling the heat. According to a report released by the World Health Organisation (WHO), the outreach for the polio immunisation campaign was the lowest in Gadap Town. “The target was to cover 95 per cent of the area… whereas, only 67 per cent was covered,” concluded the report.

“Rule number one is that you can’t work in these areas wearing jeans and T-shirts,” says Rana Asif, a child rights activist, who is plugged into the social services community of Karachi. “Be it a healthcare awareness programme or education, the outsiders are under a constant threat and it is getting tougher by the day. People are wrapping up their projects in the areas infiltrated by the Taliban.”

As in the pre-operation Swat, there is word about CD shop owners and barbershops in Manghopir having received threats. “We have lost Mangophir; it’s become Waziristan,” says Abdullah Baloch, an activist from the Sheedi community who was born and raised in the area. “We’ve been living here for centuries; my forefathers are buried here. But now, Mangophir has been overrun by outsiders and their law prevails.”

Baloch is an exception in Manghopir; no one else is willing to point a finger at the Taliban and certainly not on the record. “They keep their eye on each of us; I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re tapping our cell phones even,” drawls a cynical resident. “And when they decide [that we have committed an offence], they don’t talk. They just come and shoot.”

Area residents say at least two co-educational schools, run by Christian missionaries in the Manghopir area for decades, have been told by the Taliban to shut their doors. “We received a parchi [extortion slip] for a few hundred thousand rupees from the Taliban shortly before Eidul Azha and were warned about ‘consequences’ if we failed to pay,” admits an administration official at one of the schools. Panicked, the school administration decided to dismiss classes on the last Friday before Eidul Azha. “On the intervention of a local jirga, we have been ‘allowed’ to operate for now but the threat is still alive,” he says.

While the jirga is the saviour here, others are also raising questions about how long this benevolence will last. “When extremist forces turn powerful in a community, they begin to influence the jirgas, which ends up with them imposing their own laws,” says a longtime social activist, who has worked with Pakhtun communities in Karachi, especially on the issues pertaining to madrassah reform. “While this hasn’t happened on such a large scale in Karachi as yet, if [the militants] are intent on staking a long-term claim over the city, they will soon end up prevailing over the jirgas.”

Spreading tentacles

The schools in Manghopir are just at the fringes of a massive fund mobilisation effort by the Taliban. In a broad swath cutting across Sohrab Goth, Baldia Town, Quaidabad, New Karachi Industrial Area, Manghopir, Surjani Town, SITE, Qasba Colony and Peerabad as well as other industrial areas, traders, entrepreneurs and businessmen are getting extortion slips worth millions of rupees. Significantly, however, no one is willing to talk about these parchis.

“Parchis are also being given to public buses and the cooperatives running across coaches in the city and the amounts are non-negotiable,” confides one W-21 bus operator, who introduced himself as Khan. “We paid Rs 3 million for the W-21 route weeks before Eidul Azha.”

Endgame

“The reason the Taliban have never opened a war front in Karachi was because the city has simultaneously been a resting stop and a safe haven for them,” says leading defence analyst Ikram Sehgal. “But since the Pakistan Army’s been successful in its counterinsurgency efforts in Swat and Waziristan, the Taliban have decided to hit back by destabilising the city that generates most of the nation’s revenue.”

And complicit in these excesses, maintain most, is a flabby state. “These elements are flourishing because of the failure of the administration in enforcing its writ,” argues senior journalist Zahid Hussain. “If the Taliban manage to impose their way of life, it will always be in areas where the administration of the state is weak, that is, the outskirts of the city.” And the only way to counter this threat, he says, is by empowering the administration and imposing the writ of the government.

“In order to fight the Taliban in urban areas like Karachi, the government has to set up a dedicated counter terrorism force which cuts across all barriers and conducts a no-holds-barred campaign against these forces,” agrees Sehgal.

However, Hussain doesn’t set much stock by the doomsayers who’re predicting a city under Taliban siege. “While the threat [of Talibanisation] does exist, Karachi is an urban city with a completely different dynamic — it can never become a Swat or Waziristan,” he says.

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^ Pashtuns are in all provinces, and their population has over the years increased exponentially in Punjab too due to bad law and order in their province and means of good/fast communications (motorways) between the two provinces. Why is it that Karachi has been talibanized and not Lahore? Why is it that MQM knew that taleban were heading to Karachi, but still they preferred to fight their turf wars with ANP instead of forging an alliance with ANP and PPP to route them out of the city?

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i can give my opinion. But if it is to start an argument then I would excuse myself.
The point of the thread is that Taliban are active in spreading their venom in karachi. Reasons of this is everyone's guess.

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Why is it that MQM knew that taleban were heading to Karachi, but still they preferred to fight their turf wars with ANP instead of forging an alliance with ANP and PPP to route them out of the city?
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Again. What MQM did or did not is not the issue here. And again I can give my opinion but I don't think it is necessary here.
Frankly, the above comment is showing me yet again that people like to condemn and abuse MQM more than they want to mitigate the woes of Karachi's residents.
The fear of Taliban running roost in the city is real. Taliban are involved in extortion and political/religious murders.
Just because we despise a particular community, it doesn't mean that this reality could be changed.

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^ let me rephrase my question, what are the conditions in which organizations like taleban thrive?

My objective is not to point fingers on MQM or any other stake holder of the city (although every one knows that MQM is the biggest stake holder).

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Just because we despise a particular community, it doesn't mean that this reality could be changed.
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Not agreeing with how a political party operates does not automatically imply that one hates a particular community.

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Actually some mafia is there , using name of Taliban . They may be people from Jhangwi sect . I am always afraid that it can be another foolishness of ......
Because they are not interested in that .

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Karachi

The militants have also turned localities such as Manghopir, Sultanabad, Pakhtunabad, Kunwari Colony and Pirabad into no-go areas for the police and outsiders.

The police and other law enforcers are routinely fired upon from the hills (overlooking where they were working),” an alert police constable removing Shabbir’s body explained.

Inside Kunwari Colony, the Taliban’s writ is so severe that people do not even venture out of their houses if the militants do not approve of it.

Elsewhere, **the militants are themselves demanding and collecting protection money through what they call the Pakhtun Aman Jirga. **An office of the jirga can be seen behind Malik Agha Hotel near al-Asif Square in Sohrab Goth. Altaf Khan, who rents out heavy machinery from a shop in Sohrab Goth, says the business community in his area is receiving, and complying with demands for money by the Taliban. “The militants are minting money from us under the garb of providing protection,” he says.

The Awami National Party (ANP), which until recently was the dominant political party in these neighbourhoods, seems to have accepted that it cannot compete with the Taliban. Its flags and other symbols have disappeared from the Pakhtun areas lying between Orangi and the Matric Board Office in Nazimabad.

Umer Farooq, a resident of Mohammad Khan Goth locality near Sohrab Goth, says that TTP operatives sent a message to the ANP’s local leaders a few months ago. The message instructed them to remove their party’s flags and its graffiti, he says. The missive also told them to hand over their arms to the TTP representatives in their respective neighbourhoods,.

Initially, the ANP did try to resist these orders. But it gave up after the TTP started killing its main activists, forcing many of its leaders to leave those areas. **Bashir Jan, ANP Sindh’s general secretary, says the Taliban have killed nearly 70 activists belonging to his party during the past few months.

**Senior police officials, as well as government representatives, were dismissive when pointed out that four years ago Taliban sympathisers and militants fleeing military operation in the tribal agencies and in Swat were thronging Karachi’s Pakhtun localities. Since then, the militants have spread to several adjoining localities. The situation is so grave in most of these areas that people have completely given in to the Taliban’s writ. Four years ago, the residents of Sultanabad successfully defied the newcomers when they tried to impose their control in the area. **But intelligence agency officials now say that no one dares defy the Taliban’s orders any more in Sultanabad and in other areas beyond it.

**Javed Odho, Deputy Inspector General of Police in Karachi’s West Zone where the Taliban-infested localities lie, says **police officials posted before him in the area did not take the threat seriously and did not strictly monitor the massive influx of displaced people from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, tribal agencies and Swat. “**Dozens of informal housing settlements and shanty towns have sprung up in Gadap Town along the Super Highway and on the outskirts of Manghopir and Landhi (where these displaced people now live),” he says. He adds that the Taliban militants have been present in these settlements and slums from the beginning but they were not connected to each other until recently. Now there exists a proper TTP network in the city.

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This is nothing but speculation and conjecture. Please do read the two articles I posted above. They are from multiple sources and have many references.

By continuing to deny Taliban presence in the city and the destruction they are causing, you are playing in the hands of enemies of Pakistan and Karachi.

You do not know as much about Karachi as an ANP person from karachi. If HE is saying that a lot of ANP workers are killed by Taliban then how come you STILL deny it?

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If you are saying that conditions are rife in karachi for them to thrive as compared to Lahore, then I agree. But unlike you, I wouldn't put all the blame on just one player.
Karachi is a mini Pakistan. Lahore is not. Karachi has people from all over the Pakistan in MUCH larger number than Lahore has. Pashtun population in karachi has increased so much in a few years that Pashtuns probably now have majority in the city. There are tens of new colonies at the outskirts of the city for these new arrivals. Lahore doesn't have this.

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Have I put the onus on MQM?

The militias like BRA, Taleban etc thrive where there is a political vacuum (In our recent history we can see what happened in other countries where the government became ineffective).

As far as I have read the situation of Karachi, different communities are spread out in different parts of the city hence any community moving towards Karachi have the support structure, weapons are already available in abundance. The city is divided along ethnic and sectarian lines. The police is politicized and ineffective. All these factors support the spread of militias.

Ideally I believe that when MQM sensed that taleban had started heading towards Karachi, they should have reconciled with ANP and PPP to tackle that threat. Its the failure of all three stake holders, and the effects would now be felt by all of them (and the rest of Karachi).

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Now we have a situation in which TTP is settling itself in Karachi, how can the government get rid of it? What would be the repercussions of an operation in a mega city like Karachi having more than 20 million people?

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Over a dozen localities have become no-go areas for the law enforcers. Perhaps the state has already conceded defeat in Karachi and the city is already out of the administrative purview of the state.

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MQM , Taliban ,Lashkar e Jhangwi etc
All production of our own establishment
How can we know the details
No source

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what do you mean? seriously im not aware of this. what groups are controlling these no go areas?

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"most despised community"? which "community" are you talking about? I can tell you about a "despised" party though.

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If we can have the MQM in Karachi, why complain about the Taliban? Both are violent and murderers ...just because one wears jeans and have no beards does not make them any more "civil".

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You just showed the level of 'support' karachiites have from many of our countrymen. What a level of prejudice that you think talibanization of karachi is the same as MQM being ELECTED by the people.
Even ANP has come closer to MQM after threats from these takfiri Khawarij. But obviously some people will accept destruction of the city, if it leads to the destruction of their most despised party.
Such prejudiced people are as much the enemies of the city as Taliban kharijiites.

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No. The most despised community.
but I do agree about your comment on most despised 'party' as well. People hate it more than they hate TTP. This thread is a proof. Even when it is proven that talibanization of karachi is a reality and people are going to suffer under the same conditions as Swat and FATA, people here have shown no sympathy.

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A example of a thread started in 2008, where the most hated leader of the most hated party had warned about talibanization of the city. We can see even in that thread, that in its 11 pages, people were interested more in abusing and ridiculing that party, rather than listen to the truth he was saying about Taliban.
This is also happening in this thread. People still dont have the courage to say that he was right at that time. Rather they think talibanization of Karachi is no more different than a party elected by mostly educated people.
Very typical.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/293063-altaf-bhai-says-people-of-sindh-will-never-let-talibanisation-of-karachi.html


Here is another thread. While Himalaya cares a sh** about karachi’s talibanization, there is this another genius who think that such stories are nothing but orchestrated. Looking at the way he spells, he smells like another hater of Urdu speaking people we have at gupshup.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/309300-stories-about-talebanization-in-karachi-are-orchestrated-split-whore-of-swat.html
Data: havent you heard his orchestrated stories about taaaalibuni-zatioon in karachi?

Well, actually this Himalaya guy was also the one who was ridiculing the growing influence of Taliban in the city. See this.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/319363-mqm-is-worse-than-taleban-split-taliban-group-attacks-christian-settlement.html
**the MQM cry taliban and the USA may give them some funding to fight them. **

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When MQM raised this issue earlier, everyone totally rejected it. They did not want to believe the most hateful people and party. They called it a propaganda and ethnic politics.

Read below. You will see that ANP wanted PROOF of Talibanization from MQM, as if it was totally oblivious of what was happening in their own community.
ANP also thought that it was possible to TALK to Taliban. I am sure they have now given up on this crazy idea as well.

July 18, 2008
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
ANP says no Taliban, MQM says yes

KARACHI: The Awami National Party (ANP), part of the PPP-led coalition government, has rejected claims by the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) that Karachi was succumbing to ‘Talibanization’.

“The ANP is a secular party and we are a part of the ruling coalition, therefore, any proof of ‘Talibanization’ must be shared with us,” said ANP Central Information Secretary Zahid Khan. Talking to Daily Times, he said that the ANP believed in solving issues through dialogue and that talks could be held with the elements the MQM thinks are responsible for the spread of religious extremism.

Zahid stated that the people of Waziristan were forced to migrate to Karachi due to the lack of peace in their area and that what the **MQM wanted to attain through this propaganda **was beyond comprehension.

according to ANP leader Amin Khattak, the MQM wanted to demolish Pakhtoon settlements such as Waziristan Colony in Orangi Town.
“To divert attention from the real issue,** the MQM expressed its views regarding an increase in Talibanisation**.

The MQM’s Faisal Sabzwari told Daily Times that the allegations of the ANP were completely incorrect.
On the topic of banned organizations, he said: “The views of the ANP are disappointing when it says that there is no Talibanization in the city.”

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And here is everyone's favorite Mujahid, Zulfiqar Mirza.
The most amusing part of the following statement is when he says that government can CONTROL Taliban.

Nov 2008
No evidence of Talibanization in Sindh: Mirza

KARACHI: Sindh Home Minister Zulfiqar Mirza has said on Wednesday there is no threat of Talibanization in Karachi and the province and strongly berated the irresponsible statements and press conferences of coalition partner MQM, regarding its statements about possible Talibanization of Karachi.

Addressing a press conference at central police office, Zulfiqar Mirza said government didn’t find any evidence regarding Talibanization anywhere in Sindh. Religious education was being provided in mosques and seminaries, which could not be termed illegal, he added.

He strongly refuted that any signs of Talibanization have ever been discovered in Karachi or even Sindh as whole, while scoffing at misconstruing the recent flux of innocent tribal citizens from the strife torn regions of FATA. While expressing his possibility of a gross misunderstanding on behalf of those voicing their fears of Talibanization, he said that this might have been a case of gross misunderstanding and /or disinformation; maybe ulterior motives could be involved, and scoffed at elements who failed to distinguish between Afghan and Pakhtoons. Replying to a question, the interior minister also rebuffed at Taliban claim of control in Karachi, since they were not that strong or organized. "Besides the government has means and ends to reign in such elements, " he warned.