Taliban Thrive in Pakistani Commercial Hub

What if the taleban lose in Afghanistan and take over Karachi?

Taliban Thrive in Pakistani Commercial Hub - WSJ.com

**KARACHI, Pakistan—Large neighborhoods in Pakistan’s biggest metropolis have fallen under the control of the Taliban over the past year, according to residents and officials here, a development that could disrupt the country’s economy and endanger the U.S. military pullout from Afghanistan.
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**The Pakistani Taliban, a movement that was spawned by the Afghan Taliban but now operates separately, are now the dominant force in entire districts of this sprawling city of 20 million people, residents said. The group has established tribal courts, operates extortion rackets and stages terrorist attacks in the city, the economic heart of Pakistan and its only major port.
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If the Taliban reign spreads, coalition convoys withdrawing supplies through Karachi will have to contend with the militants, said Haider Abbas Rizvi, deputy parliamentary leader from Karachi’s dominant political party, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, or MQM. “This is a crucial moment for Karachi. The Taliban has the potential to grab any area of Karachi whenever they feel like.”

The Taliban movement, allied with Al-Qaeda and based in the Waziristan tribal area along the Afghan border, seeks to “capture not only Karachi but the whole country,” Pakistani Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said. “Karachi is a big stronghold for us. People come to us voluntarily to get their problems solved.”

Chaudhry Aslam, a senior counterterrorism police officer in Karachi, blamed the Taliban for attacks including a March 3 bombing at an apartment block targeting the minority Shiite population that killed at least 48 people and injured 180. Mr. Aslam, however, said the group didn’t control any part of the city. “There aren’t any no-go areas for the police. While we still have one drop of blood left, we won’t let these Taliban tarnish our religion or destabilize our country,” he said.

But the Taliban are so confident of their standing that they have put up posters in some districts with phone numbers to call for residents who need their help, especially to complain about criminal activity. Karachi has been racked for decades by political violence and organized crime, with many of the main political parties here operating their own extortion gangs. The Taliban are relatively more appealing, at least to fellow members of the Pashtun ethnic group.

“We know the culture of the Taliban and can reason with them, to some extent,” said a Pashtun truck driver who moves concrete bricks around Korangi, a neighborhood dominated by the MQM, which represents the Mohajir community of Muslim refugees hailing from India.

**The Taliban also play a role in resolving business disputes for profit. “If the Taliban phone me, I’ll go within two minutes, or I’ll soon be dead,” said a businessman in a Taliban-controlled neighborhood. While Waziristan Taliban are known for long hair and beards, in Karachi they could be clean-shaven and even wear Western clothing, he said.
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Decades of migration from the Pashtun heartland on the two sides of the Afghan-Pakistani border have turned Karachi into the largest Pashtun population center in the world, with some 5 million citizens of Pashtun origin. It is the city’s Pashtun areas that have come under Taliban influence.

The secular Awami National Party, which used to dominate Karachi’s Pashtun neighborhoods, has been forced out of these areas over the past year. In recent months, around 35 ANP workers were killed and the party abandoned some 30 offices in Karachi, said Shahi Syed, the ANP’s provincial chief and a member of the Pakistani Senate. “The Taliban have come to Karachi. The old criminals here have also joined them. They are running a whole system here,” he said. “Tomorrow the whole city will be paying them.”

With national elections due on May 11, the ANP—part of the departing central government coalition—faces potential extinction in Karachi. Its flags have been torn down in its constituencies. “If we can’t even hold a rally, how can you call this a free and fair election?” Mr. Syed said.

Security forces launch regular operations against Taliban strongholds in the city. A crackdown on Thursday in a Pashtun area known as Frontier Colony, in the west of the city, brought over 100 arrests, according to news reports. The chief of the Pakistani Taliban in Karachi, Khan Zaman Mehsud, recently fled to Waziristan, Mr. Aslam, the counterterrorism police officer, said.

But in many Pashtun areas, where locals say regular patrols by police are rare, residents said they take their problems to the Taliban to solve. The Pashtuns tend to live in poor, rundown neighborhoods on the fringes of Karachi, especially in its northern reaches, where roads lead out of the city. There, Taliban have recruited thugs and taken on foot soldiers from the many illiterate young men who would find it hard to get jobs, residents said.

The Taliban use young boys as their spies, and to deliver extortion demands, which often come as a written notes, residents said.

In one incident in early January, a milk seller was robbed at his house in Pakhtunabad, a ramshackle settlement in the city’s northern outskirts. Four robbers took away a pistol and 3,000 rupees ($30), equivalent to perhaps two weeks’ earnings, three witnesses said.

The victim, who recognized the men, reported the crime to police, and then called the Taliban on one of the phone numbers written on fliers and posters that had been distributed in the neighborhood a few days earlier.

**That same day, two masked men appeared at the milk seller’s house on a motorbike and questioned him, the witnesses said. The next night, he was visited by the district Taliban chief, Ismail Mehsud, who then phoned the thieves. They appeared within minutes of his summons, outside the milk seller’s tiny house. The Taliban chief beat them in the street and instructed them to return the money and pistol, according to the witnesses. The following day, the stolen property was returned.
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“The Taliban steal from us,” one of the milkman’s neighbors said, “and then they also get our money back.”

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Another news item on the topic.

Taliban Spread Terror in Karachi as the New Gang in Town

The grab for influence and power in Karachi shows that the Taliban have been able to extend their reach across Pakistan, even here in the country’s most populous city, with about 20 million inhabitants. No longer can they be written off as endemic only to the country’s frontier regions.

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so Altaf Hussein was right about Talibanization of Karachi?

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^ yes he was right. Scariest part is the adaptability that they have displayed. They are driven out from one area and they simply move their area of action accordingly. If the situation is not brought under control Karachi could face a lot of blood shed.

The militants driven out from parts of Kurram and Khyber have taken control of Tirah (close to Peshawar). If Tirah is not wrested back there's chance of Peshawar to follow next. The war seems to be entering a new phase, urban warfare is bloodier and not easy for any army in the world.

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Karachi needs an out-of-the-box solution. I think the city should be handed over to MQM. They should be given the CM-ship of the province and let them deal with the TTP. With Altaf himself being stationed abroad, he will not hesitate to go allout against the TTP. MQM knows the city like no one else and is a master in street battle. It has no dearth of weapons or trained manpower to take on the TTP. The only difference between the TTP and MQM is the suicide brigade which the latter doesn't have. But given Altaf Bhai's god-given 'capabilities' and his zeal to maintain 'peace' in Karachi , I am sure that MQM can create a suicide brigade too.

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In my opinion, there is no need to have street fights between MQM and Taliban. Taliban problem (and other lawlessness issues) can be resolved by the same police and rangers ... if action is taken against every criminal WITHOUT political interference.
After Abbas Town massacre by Taliban affiliates, law enforcement agencies have raided several places, captured many suspects, recovered ammunition and bombing material; and there is noticeable improvement in the no. of people being killed.

Problem with taking action against Taliban is that they are mostly Pashtuns. So any raid or operation to capture the culprits responsible for religious terrorism becomes an ethnic issue. This was precisely the reason why nobody wanted to believe MQM when it said Taliban are coming to Karachi among Pashtuns migrants. Everyone thought MQM was saying it only because they are scared of Pashtun majority in the city. Well, I don't know, that might be some truth in it, but obviously that was the truth.

By the way, I don't think Taliban mentality exists only among Pashtuns. I think a lot of Urdu speaking people also support Talibanic cause. After all, they used to vote for a Taliban-like party Jamat e Islami before majority switched to MQM. And if MQM looks like a liberal/secular party then it is only due to Altaf.
But the difference between Taliban supporters amongst Urdu/Sindhi speakers and Pashtuns, is that many Urdu speakers only PASSIVELY support Taliban terrorism while Pashtuns (mainly from FATA) ACTIVELY indulge in terrorism.

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but street fight will help in getting rid of MQM goons too.....

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^ So you do support Talibanic terrorism against innocent people, like Abbas Town massacre?

I have been seeing your posts since long, and I won't be surprised if you answer the above question in affirmative.

Like I said, there are many silent Taliban supporters among Urdu speaking people as well.

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no i do not support killing of any innocent human being.....

but for me MQM are no different....

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MQM is no different from Taliban??? Good grief. Just as I expected.

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MAy be i am ignorant you can point out their difference from TTP....

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And what is so special about you that I waste my time on you? (or may be there IS something special?!)

Now GET BACK TO THE TOPIC. And since you have not figured it out yourself, let me tell it clearly that this topic is not about abusing MQM but about the threat of Taliban take over of the city, and terrorism like Abbas Town which they have caused.

I can't help if hearing about Tailbanic khawarij makes someone itch so bad.

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wo kia muhawra tha something like 'bheRiye ko bheRon ke galle ki rakhwali' pe rakhne wala

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There is another appropriate one: "lohay ko loha hi kaat'ta he".

Both of them worked quite well in Lyari by Mirza. eh?

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In Mirza’s case, I would say ‘kutte ko kutta kateta hai’ :hehe:

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ummm. Funny? ok.

Point is that peace cannot be achieved through street fights. MQM tried to do it in 80's/90's. Mirza tried to do it through his support of Lyari e ogangs in 2000s'. And now we are discussing the same thing in the context of MQM and Taliban.

The only way forward is blind justice. Justice without political interference and ethnic discrimination. And concerning this topic, ANP or any other Pashtun should not call it ethnic discrimination if raids or arrests are done in Pashtun dominated areas to capture Taliban suspects.

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Agree with the point of justice without discrimination

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MQM arent barbaric. They have their many flaws, they have criminals among them, but you can deal with them. The Taliban are mindless animals driven by religious conviction to kill anyone that opposes them to the extent suicidal attacks. The Taliban are not rational on any level. the simple reason is that Taliban terrorists feel they have a mandate from the divine and so are only answerable to the divine.

The MQM are organized, they are part of the mainstream. They represent a force that may have cracks but is not opposed to the state, and is willing to work within the sysytem. The Taliban exist to destroy th system and murder anyone thats even remotely associated with it.

The MQM is a secular party, that advocates for the rights of minorities, women etc, at least on paper. The Taliban are rabid bunch who are ready to murder any woman that steps foot outside her home without a burka, will murder children if they attempt to get an education, and actively persue the deaths of any and all who dont follow their brand of Islam or has even an iota of criticsm for their actions.

Big difference between MQM and Taliban.

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Seriously, where is the difference between TTP and MQM, ANP, PPP, AmanC... OP, you speak as if Karachi was in the hands of angels before TTP stepped in. Extortion rackets, kidnappings, killings,, all happen under the umbrella of these political parties. Stop being so naive. There is no difference between them and ttp.

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Yeah. So since everything was already bad therefore please don't blame poor Taliban for doing 'deen ki khidmat' by blowing up people.
True. "Aanay do Taliban".

Disgusting.