Afghan Taliban have a cause to fight. They are fighting against a foreign invader.
I think this is the gist of your post, so I will only comment on this part.
It is wrong to say that afghan Taliban are fighting a foreign invader. Because they were fight the same war even before the US attacked them. They did not just pick up arms after US invasion.
It is a big LIE to say this. Fact is that they will fight anyone who opposes them. Be it Americans, or Pakistanis, or afghans.
But let us take this false argument for a moment. Let us say that they really are fighting only foreign invader. Now tell me, would they stop fighting if America leaves Afghanistan today?
NO. They will continue to fight every Afghan who opposes them. Just like they are fighting Americans.
This also explains their jihad on Pakistan as well. Their motto is fight with anyone who opposes you. Thus they fight not just afghans and Americans, but also Pakistan.
your support to extremists in Afghanistan responsible for destruction of Afghanistan, is same as your support to extremists in Pakistan engaged in destroying Pakistan.
Pakistan has valid concerns when it suspects US/NATO/Indian presence in afghanistan,
Why would Pakistan have concerns with US/NATO presence if it is already their ally? US forces are present all across the Gulf, be it Saudi or Qatar or Kuwait. This is ridiculous argument.
Even with India, Pakistan is in much better relationship than before. But let us forget that for a moment. Now we have to make a choice. Extremists or India?
Take the last 25 years of history of Pakistan. It is obvious that extremism has destroyed Pakistan much more than any Indian government. So extremists are much bigger of an enemy of both Afghanistan and Pakistan than India or Israel.
It is stupid to kill a problem by raising an even bigger one. If stopping Indian influence in Afghanistan is your worry then the way it to build trust with Afghans. Some of them support India because they see Pakistanis supporting the extremists destroying their country.
Pakistan's support to Taliban in Afghanistan will continue to wage distrust among common Afghans. They will continue to see Pakistan as their enemy, and in reaction they will continue to seek bigger and bigger role from India in Afghanistan.
The way to stop India in Afghanistan is to built trust with afghans. To show them that Pakistan is not their enemy. And the way to show it is to stop supporting enemies of Afghanistan, Taliban.
Some people claim that Americans are talking to Taliban therefore we should talk to Taliban as well.
This article quotes Ayaz Amir’s comment about it: “The Americans are negotiating withdrawal. Do we also negotiate withdrawal?”
I agree with the British General that the West should have engaged the taleban in 2002 when they were on the run. Now they are in a much better position for negotiating on their terms.
West's concern is only for itself. True that Americans would have gotten more had they started negotiations with them in 2002. And what they need is merely a promise to not use afghan land to wage jihad against western targets.
What happens to afghan and Pakistani people under their evil is not their concern. For example, a complete ban on girls education. Public beheadings of those who sell CDs or watch television. Religious policemen whipping anyone not going to mosque at the time of prayers or keeping pants above ankles. Disenfranchising women and minorities. Cutting off ears and nose of girls who would dare to run away from beatings of their husbands.
Taliban are psychopaths. But what do Westerners care, as long as they spare the West?
Most Pakistanis hate Taliban for what they do in Pakistan. Yet they cheer for the same Taliban in Afghanistan and wish for their success.
In other words, we wish for Afghans what we have for ourselves. Great.
Here is for those who think Taliban are merely fighting foreign invaders. A ridiculous argument. Because Taliban were inflicting their fasaad on afghan people long before that time (with help from Pakistan).
I don’t think what I post below will effect everyone here. Because there are some who will shout Allahu Akbar after reading the accounts of Taliban massacres. These people would like to do that even in Pakistan.
The Taliban committed gruesome massacres systematically targeting Hazaras, Tajiks and Uzbeks. In 1998, the United Nations accused the Taliban of denying emergency food by the UN’s World Food Programme to 160,000 hungry and starving people (most of whom were Hazaras and Tajiks) “for political and military reasons”.[3]
The UN said the Taliban were starving people for their military agenda and using humanitarian assistance as a weapon of war.[4]
On August 8, 1998 the Taliban launched an attack on Mazar-i Sharif. Once in control the Taliban began to kill people indiscriminately based on their ethnicity especially Hazaras and Uzbeks. Women were raped, and thousands of people were locked in containers and left to suffocate. This ethnic cleansing left an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 dead.[5][6]
THE first detailed eyewitness accounts of the massacre of up to** 8,000 people by** Islamic fundamentalist Taliban fighters who ran amok in the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif last August have been passed to western governments.
Testimony compiled by international observers and handed to western diplomats in Pakistan reveals that hundreds of people were packed into containers where they suffocated when the doors were locked in the searing midday heat. **Men, women and children were shot in their homes **and on the street, and hospital patients were murdered in their beds.
Statements made available to The Sunday Times describe a **campaign of slaughter **directed against a Shia Muslim minority, the Hazara. The evidence, regarded by experienced aid officials as “highly credible”, paints a ghastly picture of butchery and rape as the Taliban shot and cut the throats of Hazaras.
The claims are supported by the influential American group Human Rights Watch, which is due to reveal its own findings on the massacre today and will call on the United Nations to investigate what it describes as “one of the single worst examples of killings of civilians in Afghanistan’s 20-year war”.
The Human Rights Watch report and other statements identify three Taliban leaders who appear to be guilty of incitement to kill victims purely because of their ethnic origin. They are:
Mullah Manon Niazi, the new Taliban governor of Mazar-e-Sharif. Numerous witnesses heard him make speeches at mosques and on radio inciting hatred of Hazaras. “Wherever you go we will catch you,” he said. “If you go up, we will pull you down by your feet; if you hide below we will pull you up by your hair.” One witness testified that Niazi personally selected prisoners to be consigned to the death containers.
Mullah Musa, the so-called director of public health. A witness said Musa toured a public hospital looking for Hazara patients to mark out for death. Later that day, the witness heard from a doctor that Musa had taken a group of gunmen to the army hospital, where they had murdered all 20 or so patients, and relatives who had been visiting them.
Maulawi Mohammed Hanif, a Taliban commander who announced to a crowd of 300 people summoned to a mosque that the policy of the Taliban was to “exterminate” the Hazaras.
International aid workers fear the killings are continuing following the recent fall of the central Afghan town of Bamiyan. They have said thousands of people remain unaccounted for.
how ridiculous that many Pakistanis support these extremists who committed massacres against civilians in Afghanistan. And then the same people complain why afghans hate Pakistan and work with India.
^ the thing is western troops would be leaving (most of them) at the end of next year. Taleban are not fully defeated, will the afghan national army and police be able to contain them? Something the foreigners couldn't do in 12 years? What would be the consequences if civil war breaks out in Afghanistan again? What would be the consequences of this civil war on Pakistan? What if Afghanistan disintegrates, what would that hold for the region (read Pakistan)? If the talks can help prevent a civil war there, without handing over the country to them. I'd say why not?
If these are legitimate concerns then Afghan government should be worried about it more than Americans or Pakistanis. But actually it is Americans (on behalf of Pakistan) who are prodding Afghans to come to negotiating table with Taliban.
Extremism is an ideology. Extremists do not compromise because they consider their addicts the Will of God. Anything less is kufr and heresy. This is why a true extremist will never become a part of a pluralistic government. It is either his way or highway.
If they could share power with others than they could have done it in 90s. And they have shown similar stubborn attitude in Pakistan, for example in Swat where the government agreed to give up its control so as to appease them.
It is not possible to completely eliminate Taliban violence in a short term. Every now and then some of those kharijis would continue to blow themselves up in mosques and in markets. This problem requires long term strategies to be routed completely.
About civil war. It can happen if Pakistan continues to give them indirect support by not taking action against them in FATA. And it can happen if Americans stop their military support to Afghan government and ignore Afghanistan just like they did after Soviet withdrawal.
Even if these negotiations succeed (there is hardly any chance), there would still be some groups that will accuse the negotiating Taliban to be a part of the system of kufr. They will wage their fasaad on Afghan people anyway. So it is wrong to think that successful negotiations mean end of violence. Taliban did not struggle for so long only to be merely a PART of government. No. They did it to OCCUPY the country, impose their will on people, and massacre anyone they deem unworthy of living.
If Pakistan is really concerned of Afghan war spilling over in the country,* even though it already has*, then Pakistan should STOP SUPPORTING THEM GIVING EXCUSE OF INDIA, and instead support Afghan government in killing those psychopaths.
BTW, if most people here are to be believed then o*nce "foreign invaders" leave Afghanistan, THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON FOR TALIBAN TO WAGE VIOLENCE*. But we know they will continue to do so, and this again shows how ridiculous that argument of "crusaders" and "foreign invaders" responsible for Taliban war is.
The U.S. government supports the Qatar office, known as the Political Office of the Afghan Taliban, and the peace talks between the Afghan government and the Afghan Taliban. For the record, the government of Qatar, which is facilitating these peace talks, has made it clear that the sign labeling the office as an office for the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan” has been taken down. We do not recognize the name “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan”, and the Taliban should realize that the people of Afghanistan have chosen their government and recognize their country as the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. We acknowledge that the Peace Negotiations process has been difficult from the onset and will continue to be so, but the Government of Afghanistan is well aware of how significant this peace process is for maintaining long-term stability. The United States’ role in this Peace Process is to get Afghans to talk to one another. As Deputy for National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes has said, “The United States will be supporting a peace process that is fundamentally Afghan-led. Ultimately, this is something that Afghans have to work out with each other. We’ve strongly supported President Karzai, and his government, as they’ve approached this issue. We can play a role in talking to the Taliban as well to support that type of peace process, and also because we have our own issues to discuss with them.”
your post is quite disturbing because it did not even condemn the American invaders once and everyone in the region know the hands of the yanks are behind all the major massacres.
your post is quite disturbing because it did not even condemn the American invaders once and everyone in the region know the hands of the yanks are behind all the major massacres.
So why have you not condemned the occupiers???
only when they hit iran will he condemn them. until then he's very happy the sunni world is being pillaged by the west with the help of his nusairee bretheren.