And a Taliban victory over Afghanistan and Pakistan would be a dream finally coming true. Isn't it?
over afghanistan, may be yes, because afghan taliban are after all, afghans. its their right to govern their homeland.
over pakistan, may be in your dream or "their" dream, not so much. they can go to their masters land and play all hide and seek they want.
they better watch out when afghan taliban come to power and eradicate their retreat positions and hideouts, then they will have no where to run, their great grand father is on "his" way back to the other continent where they cannot accompany him
I have asked this before and I am asking again. This question is not for khariji supporters but for common Pakistanis. Why is it that you despise Taliban in Pakistan, but support them in Afghanistan? How come you want for Afghanistan which you don't want for Pakistan?
It is because Taliban were able to achieve in Afghanistan what no one could for 7-8 years i.e. peace, yes there were brutality cases, agreed but overall they brought calmness to the war-raged warlord dominated country. Pakistan is different ball game, the country is already calm and TTP are destroying the peace of the country.
The munafiqat of these kharijis is evident by considering that they against america in Afghanistan, but supporting the same country in Syria.
what hypocrites munafiqeen!
over afghanistan, may be yes, because afghan taliban are after all, afghans. its their right to govern their homeland.
over pakistan, may be in your dream or "their" dream, not so much. they can go to their masters land and play all hide and seek they want.
they better watch out when afghan taliban come to power and eradicate their retreat positions and hideouts, then they will have no where to run, their great grand father is on "his" way back to the other continent where they cannot accompany him
I doub't Khoji will get your point, he/she/it sounds like a stuck record.
over afghanistan, may be yes, because afghan taliban are after all, afghans. its their right to govern their homeland.
over pakistan, may be in your dream or "their" dream, not so much. they can go to their masters land and play all hide and seek they want.
they better watch out when afghan taliban come to power and eradicate their retreat positions and hideouts, then they will have no where to run, their great grand father is on "his" way back to the other continent where they cannot accompany him
So you rejoice of Taliban victory in Afghanistan because it is THEIR land? Actually, it is insulting to every Afghan who is against these munafiqs.
If Afghanistan is Taliban's land then who were the people fighting Taliban in Afghanistan? Were they not Afghans as well, and are they not in government today?
If Afghanistan is Taliban land only because those Taliban are Afghans then you should also accept Pakistan as Taliban land too. Because Taliban in Pakistan are Pakistanis.
If this is the case then you would rejoice Taliban victory in Pakistan just as you are yearning for Taliban victory over Afghanistan.
You should wish for your brother what you wish for yourself. You guys know what evil Taliban are in Pakistan. So you say you don't want their occupation here. Yet you are hoping for the similar occupation of people of Afghanistan?!
If Taliban are not welcome in Pakistan then how come people like you wish the same evil for people of Afghanistan?
I doub't Khoji will get your point, he/she/it sounds like a stuck record.
It is unfortunate that you consider Taliban freedom fighter. When in reality they are thugs who have stolen Islam's identity. Their fight is not against Americans only, but against everyone who dares to stop them implementing their brand of shariah. This is why they were fighting Afghans long before America came in. And this is why they are fighting Pakistanis.
But you can pretend to be ignorant of these facts, and continue to call them freedom fighters.
So your first point also applies to syrian bathist and iraqi bathists?
i.e. syrian bathists are also tyrant as iraqi bathist were tyrant and both share same name
Whether Talibans are considered freedom fighter or terrorists in Afghanistan, it's not Pakistan's headache. Our objective should be to eliminate this menace from Pakistan and seal our Northern borders. We are not the thakheydaar of Afghanistan or Islam, there are plenty Muslim countries in the world to police Afghanistan in the name of Islam. That's simply not Pakistan issue, we have more than enough problems of our own.
It is unfortunate that you consider Taliban freedom fighter. When in reality they are thugs who have stolen Islam's identity. Their fight is not against Americans only, but against everyone who dares to stop them implementing their brand of shariah. This is why they were fighting Afghans long before America came in. And this is why they are fighting Pakistanis.
But you can pretend to be ignorant of these facts, and continue to call them freedom fighters.
the fact that they're sunnis and you being a shia doesn't sit well with you... :) please say the same thing about hezboshaytaan then I'll take you seriously.
So you rejoice of Taliban victory in Afghanistan because it is THEIR land? Actually, it is insulting to every Afghan who is against these munafiqs.
If Afghanistan is Taliban's land then who were the people fighting Taliban in Afghanistan? Were they not Afghans as well, and are they not in government today?
If Afghanistan is Taliban land only because those Taliban are Afghans then you should also accept Pakistan as Taliban land too. Because Taliban in Pakistan are Pakistanis.
If this is the case then you would rejoice Taliban victory in Pakistan just as you are yearning for Taliban victory over Afghanistan.
You should wish for your brother what you wish for yourself. You guys know what evil Taliban are in Pakistan. So you say you don't want their occupation here. Yet you are hoping for the similar occupation of people of Afghanistan?!
If Taliban are not welcome in Pakistan then how come people like you wish the same evil for people of Afghanistan?
I actually agree with Khoji. Taliban Are not the legit rulers of Afghanistan.
Afghan Taliban have a cause to fight. They are fighting against a foreign invader. they have justified reason to fight according to religion and modern day civil rules. they didn't start this war, they are fighting in their defense. If they come out victorious in this war, its not only because they were good fighters, its also not only because they had support from external elements (say Pakistan) a major factor of their success is public support. Whichever village, town, small city they go to, they blend with the local public. Local residents provide them food, shelter and necessary care to their injured. Today there are 100s of thousand of foreign troops there, if local public stop supporting taliban, they wont be able to survive the wrath of US forces, in that case Taliban would have been wiped out already and so called people like Karzai would be ruling there... but public chooses to side with Taliban, against all odds. which only shows that Taliban enjoy a massive support from the Afghan population, they make the majority except small portion of northern provinces.
On the other hand, TTP is not fighting for their land against foreign occupier. This has been discussed and proved so many times before that TTP is not a single group, there are more than a dozen groups of different sizes, some led by former school/ madarsa teachers, some by transporters, some car thieve, some were small time bandits before this all started, some probably are fighting for true cause according to them. which i believe can be addressed by religious leaders and their concerns can be addressed. there is very little common between Afghan Taliban and TTP, except their name.
Whether Talibans are considered freedom fighter or terrorists in Afghanistan, it's not Pakistan's headache. Our objective should be to eliminate this menace from Pakistan and seal our Northern borders. We are not the thakheydaar of Afghanistan or Islam, there are plenty Muslim countries in the world to police Afghanistan in the name of Islam. That's simply not Pakistan issue, we have more than enough problems of our own.
Pakistan is not Thekedar of Islam, and making peace in Afghanistan may not be Pakistan's headache. but every country in this world wants peace in their neighboring states, and that's what Pakistan needs. Pakistan has valid concerns when it suspects US/NATO/Indian presence in afghanistan, more than whats needed, in a small and deserted country of that size. Its Pakistan's neighbor first and then India's or America's
the fact that they're sunnis and you being a shia doesn't sit well with you... :) please say the same thing about hezboshaytaan then I'll take you seriously.
May Allah give victory to the Taliban.
Hizbushaytan Taliban followers like to stoke the flames of hatred among Muslims, but the fact is that those munafiqeen are the enemies of sunnis as much as they are of shias.
They have fought and killed sunnis and shias both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
It must take a person filled with hatred of Muslims to the core to deny this obvious fact.
This is why I never called them sunni. Instead I always called them khariji, who are neither sunni nor shia
Hizbushaytan Taliban followers like to stoke the flames of hatred among Muslims, but the fact is that those munafiqeen are the enemies of sunnis as much as they are of shias.
They have fought and killed sunnis and shias both in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
It must take a person filled with hatred of Muslims to the core to deny this obvious fact.
This is why I never called them sunni. Instead I always called them khariji, who are neither sunni nor shia
So it only makes them anti-shia? It just shows what sectarian nasibis some people could be. They are filled with hatred. And they will justify massacres due to that hate.
That pretty much explains why they are called kharijis, and why they have nothing to do with the religion of peace.
anyway, this is a fact that they are anti-Sunni. They have fought EVERY Afghan who has tried to stop them from imposing their anti Islam cult in the country.
So your first point also applies to syrian bathist and iraqi bathists?
i.e. syrian bathists are also tyrant as iraqi bathist were tyrant and both share same name
It is not just about names. It is about mentality. Whether extremists call themselves Taliban, or Haqqani network, or Ansaral umma, or Sipahe Sahaba, or Jamatud Dawa, or TTP.
Just Taliban is not the problem. It is religious extremism that is the problem. One reason being that it justifies murders and massacres of others in the name of Islam. Examples are even in this thread.
supporting extremism for whatever reason makes a person guilty of supporting murders and killings by those extremists. *People who support these extremists are danger to society, to religion and to the country. *
Unfortunately, in Pakistan such hateful bigots are accepted in all sections of society, including army. In any other country, these extremist supporters would be swiftly apprehended.