Khawarij were not one group, but had several sects. So if there were differences among themselves then there must be differences with Taliban as well.
What is common between Taliban and khwarij is their propensity to call others kafir, and waging war on Muslims.
It is unfortunate the you have inclination for such anti-Islam cult.
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Taliban do not take their ideology from centuries old doctrines, they represent a new trend where Mullahs consider themselves to be the most suitable people to be the rulers. If at all they resemble anyone in present time, they represent Khomeini's ideology, of Mullahs being the rightful rulers and verdict of Mullahs being binding on the people aka wilayat-e-Faqih
It is true that Taliban get their passion from Iranian revolution, just like several other Islamic movements around the world.
But Iranian revolution is not their ideal, because they follow a different school of thought. And their school of thought considers anyone disagreeing with them as kafir and worthy of being killed. This is different from Khomeini’s idea of vilayat e faqih, and closer to khariji ideology of the past.
http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/kharijites1.htm
Kharijite principles
a) The declaration of Kufr (unbelief) on Sayyidna Ali, Muawiyyah, and all those who had participated in and agreed to the process of arbitration
b) Takfir (charging with unbelief) of all those who disagreed with them on any theological issues
c) The right to kill any of the above.
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/bin/site/ftp/200YearsofNewKharijism.pdf
Traditional Muslims, the silent majority, remain numerous and confidant enough to
repel the Neo-Kharajite movement from within Islam, given the necessary support. However,
backed by the oil-wealth of their ideological counterparts overseas, Neo-Kharajites have a
definitive advantage over the majority of Muslims, who have only their own humble resources
at their disposal. Only with real financial and political support can classical Muslim scholars
and moderate, mainstream Muslims reclaim the banner of Islam from these usurpers, retake the
podium they have hijacked, repel these extremists and discredit their heretical ideology. Truly,
this is a battle worth fighting. And it is a battle which, with the help of Almighty God, we can
and must win.
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^Taliban do not declare Imam Ali or Amir Muawiya or those involved in arbitrartion as kafir. So in that sense they are not khwarij. They are more like Khomeini Sahib because they think that whatever their interpretation of Islam is binding upon people like that of Masoomeen. This is the same concept Imam Khomeinei propagated (which to my knowledge was an innovation, as other mujtahids did not propagate this concept), that, ruling of Faqih is binding upon people. They are also similar in use of force to silence the critics. They also like Khomeini consider America the worst enemy of Islam just like Khomeini whi called US teh great Satan.
They also like Khomeini Sahib beleive in export of their ideology to other places like Iranaian militant backing of shias in Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen.
Taliban can NOT declare Imam Ali or Muawiya the Rebel as kafir.
But they do call anyone disagreeing with them as kafir and worthy of being killed. Taliban consider anyone fighting them to be American agent and similar to Christians, and therefore worthy of being killed.
This is why we see suicide bombings against police, army, and common Pakistani Muslims all the time. And do you know who was the first suicide bomber (favorite Taliban strategy to go to Hell) in the history of Islam? Ibn Muljim, a KHARIJI who killed Imam Ali (AS).
This is why they are similar to khawarij.
That’s a lie. Read page 119 of this book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=2gAjMuLivlQC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=When+we+say+that+after+the+Occultation,+the+just+faqih+has+the+same+authority+that+the+Most+Noble+Messenger+and+the+Imams+had,+do+not+imagine+that+the+status+of+the+faqih+is+identical+to+that+of+the+Imams+and+the+Prophet.+For+here+we+are+not+speaking+of+status,+but+rather+of+function.+By+„authority”+we+mean+government,+the+administration+of+the+country,+and+the+implementation+of+the+sacred+laws+of+the+shari’a.&source=bl&ots=iF1PmJ90Wi&sig=R8j63vmPYaWWpDetMC07-q3cJzc&hl=en&ei=MeIPS8a3AsjrlAe4y9SXBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=When%20we%20say%20that%20after%20the%20Occultation%2C%20the%20just%20faqih%20has%20the%20same%20authority%20that%20the%20Most%20Noble%20Messenger%20and%20the%20Imams%20had%2C%20do%20not%20imagine%20that%20the%20status%20of%20the%20faqih%20is%20identical%20to%20that%20of%20the%20Imams%20and%20the%20Prophet.%20For%20here%20we%20are%20not%20speaking%20of%20status%2C%20but%20rather%20of%20function.%20By%20„authority”%20we%20mean%20government%2C%20the%20administration%20of%20the%20country%2C%20and%20the%20implementation%20of%20the%20sacred%20laws%20of%20the%20shari’a.&f=false
By „authority” we mean government, the administration of the country, and the implementation of the sacred laws of the shari’a.
Even if someone does not agree with the concept of wilayat e faqih, Khomeini did not declare all those people kafir and worthy of being killed. And this is exactly what Taliban do, and this is what makes them takfiri Kharijis.
Well, Khomeini was not the only one wanting to export their ideology to other places. What about socialists of Russia, who exported their ideology around the world? What about Americans exporting their ideology? What about Saudi Wahhabis exporting their ideology in other places, including Pakistan?
Iranian militant backing? What about Pakistani backing of Taliban in Afghanistan? What about Saudi backing of Iraqi sunnis? What about Saudi attack on Yemeni Houthis?
So we see from above that your accusations above do not make Khomeini analogous to Kharijis. Because all your accusations could easily be applied on various other countries in the world.
What makes Taliban’s analogy to Khawarij special is that they both wage war against Muslims who disagree with them, and call them kafir/munafiq/mushrik. No other Muslim sect/group thinks in this violent manner*.
Here is something more about khawarij. And anyone who reads it would think that this is actually about Taliban.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Kharijites#encyclopedia
Kharijite theology was a form of radical extremism, preaching uncompromising observance of the teachings of the Quran in defiance of corrupt authorities. They preached absolute equality of the faithful … They spread their views by violent conflict, which they considered to be a righteous jihad (struggle).
Having a strong emphasis on the need to depose unjust rulers and believing that the current leaders of the Muslim community were guilty of grave sins, they withdrew themselves from the rest of the Muslim community, started camping together and waged war against their perceived enemies. They believed that they are the people of God fighting against the people of evil.
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Hezbollah’s Success (washingtonpost.com)
the attack on marine barracks in 1983 comes to mind !
Who said only kharijis can be suicide bombers? Don’t you remember kamakazis?
Point was that suicide bombing was started by kharijis in the history of Islam.
Taliban can NOT declare Imam Ali or Muawiya the Rebel as kafir. But they do call anyone disagreeing with them as kafir and worthy of being killed. Taliban consider anyone fighting them to be American agent and similar to Christians, and therefore worthy of being killed. This is why we see suicide bombings against police, army, and common Pakistani Muslims all the time. And do you know who was the first suicide bomber (favorite Taliban strategy to go to Hell) in the history of Islam? Ibn Muljim, a KHARIJI who killed Imam Ali (AS).
May Ibn Muljam be ursed.
BUT
I know you do not have intelectual freedom or mora courage to condemn what your favourte leader did.
Khomeini in this century not only to followed this but started another disgusting ploy of using child soldiers against the wishes of their parents to be used in suicide missions.
**It was his government that passed a law allowing male hildren as young as 12 to enroll for fighting at war front agaonst Iraq WITHOUT their parents permission (Yet again an astounding similarilty with Taliban). These yound children were used like animals, they were marched ahead of regular troops to clear minefields, getting blown into pieces. Some were used to attack Iraqi tanks suicide style with bombs strapped to their bodies.
People were assigned to write wills of these kids, in form if letters to Khomeini, of their desire to enter Paradise (just like Taliban and Qaida video tapes of these days).**
Source:The Spirit of Allah: Khomeini and Islamic Revolution.
p.s I know you will still try to justify these acts because it was done by one you like, like Talibanic pathetic hypocrisy.
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What makes Taliban’s analogy to Khawarij special is that they both wage war against Muslims who disagree with them, and call them kafir/munafiq/mushrik. No other Muslim sect/group thinks in this violent manner*.
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The same thing Khomeinei did against his own people when he formed Guardians of Revolution who beated, jaied and killed fellow Iranian shias who were against his regime.](“Kharijites - AbsoluteAstronomy.com”)
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Keeping your claims aside, show me where he called them kafir/mushrik/munafiq, and raped and killed people..
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DD,
Your observation is right, price abbasi is too partisan to admit the faults of his leaders.do not expect objectivity from him.
khomeimi and talibs both have similar approach and tactics but they are better than musharrafs/zardaris/mubaraks/hussains of our era .....
DD, Your observation is right, .....
His observation can be applied to anyone in the world. This is why it does not make Khomeini similar to khawarij.
Khwarij was a group that called other people kafir and allowed their killings and raping because of that. Khomeini did not do that. Actually, no one else in Islam went to these extremes except Taliban and their Wahhabi teachers. This is why Taliban=Khawarij.
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^ ur simplistic perverted logic is makes u so misguided , may God shows u guidence.
In reality u r no better than khawarij