What is the question that you are asking? I am not the one doing unislamic acts and then trying to create my own version of islamic law to fit all such acts.
the question that i asked you before and let me spell it out agian is this. when you in your coutnry alot of unislamic action beign carried out for the reason of creating islamic system , the best solution that you come up with is creating the system (for its demand isnt a sin you know)to get rid of extreme and vandetta seeking factors. why isnt the govt doing that? we hear taliban version of islam isnt acceptable but which version is?
Why don't you ask religious sources why they can't decide on suicide bombings and mutilating bodies that taliban does? Or do you want me to issue the fatwa?
actaully religious sources havent given out any such fatwa agaisnt taliban , what deos that tell you?an outsider like me would take it to mean that while they might disagree with talibani tactics they donot disagree with their demands and also that they donot agree with current approach employed by govt. their response has always been to fulfill the accurate demands of shaiah,since pakistani govt is in no serious mood to do that , they will never openly consult with ulemas.
actaully religious sources havent given out any such fatwa agaisnt taliban , what deos that tell you?an outsider like me would take it to mean that while they might disagree with talibani tactics they donot disagree with their demands and also that they donot agree with current approach employed by govt. their response has always been to fulfill the accurate demands of shaiah,since pakistani govt is in no serious mood to do that , they will never openly consult with ulemas.
And that's the problem with our mullah class today - they are fickle and without a backbone, so they can't see right vs. wrong in front of their faces. And who broke the nizam-e-adal based peace deal by invading buner and not laying down arms? Don't fool yourself, taliban are not fighting for shariah, they are fighting for power and control as muslim khan himself has said dozens of times.
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^ sighz what is the problem with non mullah class? why cant the show the true islam to get rid of savage islam? why does it become the responsibility of mullah? pakistan has been ruled by non mullahs since its birth, plenty of time to atleast create a unified vision. i am not fooling myself about current wave of taliban in pakistan, as i said they have some factors amongst them that are seeking personal vandetta under the demand and some truly extreme factors.however i donot think military action will bring peace. it will weaken our country and it will create a greater suspicion and confusion for public. when somebody uses an agenda to pursue their personal goal they best way to debunk their actions is by by fulfilling that agenda through regular means.
^ sighz what is the problem with non mullah class? why cant the show the true islam to get rid of savage islam? why does it become the responsibility of mullah? pakistan has been ruled by non mullahs since its birth, plenty of time to atleast create a unified vision. i am not fooling myself about current wave of taliban in pakistan, as i said they have some factors amongst them that are seeking personal vandetta under the demand and some truly extreme factors.however i donot think military action will bring peace. it will weaken our country and it will create a greater suspicion and confusion for public. when somebody uses an agenda to pursue their personal goal they best way to debunk their actions is by by fulfilling that agenda through regular means.
You propose surrender then? Non-mullah class believes in democracy and any change that is to happen will come through elections. Taliabn agenda is to destroy democracy and bring in their system through gunpoint as they see fit (sufi m vision etc.)
Either one believes in sharia by gunpoint or not. That's what the fight is about.
^ not truly. this fight to me is a result of turning a deaf ear to a reasonable demand. through election fazal ur rehman came, that was a democratic result. but our govt didnt allow him any democratic power, result the current situation.i have already stated what i suggest. i suggest consultation with ulema and not insisting on a black and white solution. seems to me if we are willing to consult ulemas we might end up with less bloody situation. as for saying achieving something through democratic means. we will need to establish a democratic system, with trasparent and free electrol comission. once again fat chance.
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Croquet, tablighi jamaat has spoken against the Taleban.
somali_pirate, could you get over the outdated neo-con, bible banging belt stuff. The bible-banging right wingers are the least powerful segment in america right now. Please shift your rhetoric to the jewish gay feminists.
Yeah those (pakistani security forces) attacking muslims and killing innocent women and children under the guise of collateral damage at the behest of foreign non-muslim powers and getting paid to do are at pinnacle of being muslim...
Do you have any idea, what you are saying or what you are supporting!!!
Let me get this straight
Pakistan Army, ISI and Nuclear Assets are its 2nd Line of Defence, After the Protection provided by Allah As HE is the only protector of Pakistan.
Your beloved Taliban, are fighting their brains out to weaken this Nuclear Armed Country so that the country western forces and India can easily invade and slaughter Muslims and rape our sisters...
To Achieve this goal, Your So-called Mujahid of Islam, are being funded by Indians and Westerns, not only funded but also trained for this Gorilla-warfare, have you ever gave it a thought that who is funding this HUGE operation Against PAK-ARMY??? No single company or entity can do that...
They Same Western and Indian Powers funded & trained MQM for the same purpose, MQM did the damage by using its ethinc card but was later controlled, now the same game is in PLAY using ISLAMIC card, these people whom you call a MUJAHID were nothing more than drug dealers or thugs of the area, now organized under the SO-CALLED umbrella of ISLAM to DESTROY an Islamic Country.
When ever you get some time, please think that, who is providing the funds for their Operations, who is providing them with weapons, who is providing them with training to use these weapons... can you please provide us with the information on above, and try to be logical in ur approach..
Wow, did you know the computer and the internet through which you are currently communicating through or the bombs and guns which the taliabn love to kill people with were not invented 1400 years ago? By your profound logic, we should not use these tools as they are parts of the advancement made by humans after Islam came and thus invalidate Islam somehow. Is that the story you're going with?
Err, no bombs or guns, not even computers nor technology is being undone or banned by anyone...
The only so called progress or advancement being undone have been around since and way before 1400 years...against which the original rebellion was initiated by amir-e-hijaz
Just admit it was a Freudian slip on your part...i.e. you are truly against whatever was revealed 1400 in hijaz...it will be easier to do so then trying to maneuver out of this corner...
Err, no bombs or guns, not even computers nor technology is being undone or banned by anyone...
The only so called progress or advancement being undone have been around since and way before 1400 years...against which the original rebellion was initiated by amir-e-hijaz
Just admit it was a Freudian slip on your part...i.e. you are truly against whatever was revealed 1400 in hijaz...it will be easier to do so then trying to maneuver out of this corner...
Learn to read what I wrote. Sufi M, the great khalifah himself is going around banning everything and taliban themselves believe that any progress made by humans from 1400 years ago is bidah and only they know what is not bidah. This is the salafi/wahabi mindset. Advancing beyond 1400 years ago, does not mean rejecting what was revealed with islam. It means progressing along with islam.
So, this is what islam is based on now: reactions? Everything becomes halal as long as it is considered a reaction? These taliban will have to find out the hard way that Allah's law does not work that way.
Yeah and what's so unislamic, sorry my mistake arguing with you in this context is futile, rather uncivilized about reaction...
Every civilization, respected nation or entity when attaked or even threatened has reacted in it's defense and lauded as well as celebrated for doing so by the rest of humanity, why should folks in our part of the world, including the hapless palestinians not react to their ethnic cleansing, their land being taken over, their water, air and orchards confiscated and their people being imprisoned in walled ghettoes...
Learn to read what I wrote. Sufi M, the great khalifah himself is going around banning everything and taliban themselves believe that any progress made by humans from 1400 years ago is bidah and only they know what is not bidah. This is the salafi/wahabi mindset. Advancing beyond 1400 years ago, does not mean rejecting what was revealed with islam. It means progressing along with islam.
Nice generalizations, when you can learn to cite specific examples and not indulge in pathetic personal attacks, with tacit approval from moderator(s) then we can continue this discussion...otherwise I can stoop even lower then what MQM wallays are taught and trained to do...
I wonder if this irrelevant filth you are spewing would be edited by the mods...
Yeah and what's so unislamic, sorry my mistake arguing with you in this context is futile, rather uncivilized about reaction...
Every civilization, respected nation or entity when attaked or even threatened has reacted in it's defense and lauded as well as celebrated for doing so by the rest of humanity, why should folks in our part of the world, including the hapless palestinians not react to their ethnic cleansing, their land being taken over, their water, air and orchards confiscated and their people being imprisoned in walled ghettoes...
We're not talking about palestinians - no one attacked swat, buner or dir until the taliban went in and started killing people. And that still doesn't answer the main question: personal revenge is not islamic as proven by hadith, nor is doing anything you like in war islamic.
Nice generalizations, when you can learn to cite specific examples and not indulge in pathetic personal attacks, with tacit approval from moderator(s) then we can continue this discussion...otherwise I can stoop even lower then what MQM wallays are taught and trained to do...
I wonder if this irrelevant filth you are spewing would be edited by the mods...
You still can't answer basic questions on the unislamic acts of taliban and why they're doing them. All you can do is try to counter by calling up tales of right wing christains, as if they are in swat.
And stop your whining - leave something to ghair muslim khan - he is good at that on tv.
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Somali ji, I am waiting for a reply from you on how revenge has now become acceptable in jihad as per islamic rules? And who attacked swat and buner first?
^ not truly. this fight to me is a result of turning a deaf ear to a reasonable demand. through election fazal ur rehman came, that was a democratic result. but our govt didnt allow him any democratic power, result the current situation.i have already stated what i suggest. i suggest consultation with ulema and not insisting on a black and white solution. seems to me if we are willing to consult ulemas we might end up with less bloody situation. as for saying achieving something through democratic means. we will need to establish a democratic system, with trasparent and free electrol comission. once again fat chance.
What power was Maulana Fazalur Rehman seeking? What exactly is the relationship of Fazlur Rehman to Swat saga?
Somali ji, I am waiting for a reply from you on how revenge has now become acceptable in jihad as per islamic rules? And who attacked swat and buner first?
I will post a detailed response when I have time...unlike those who do this professionally day and night, fulltime...
Plus I have one arm tied behind my back, while you support from the whole unit...
I will post a detailed response when I have time...unlike those who do this professionally day and night, fulltime...
Plus I have one arm tied behind my back, while you support from the whole unit...
So sad that you have to endure such zulm on this forum.
What power was Maulana Fazalur Rehman seeking? What exactly is the relationship of Fazlur Rehman to Swat saga?
when he was in the seat , he demanded a shariah system. if it was then incorporated, taliban wouldnt have a leg to stand on, nor any need for implementing the system in merely swat. would have saved us alot of headache. if people werent satisfied, nect elections could've seen a change.in the system or in the representative.
No!!!
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