You obviously choose to read & interpret things according to your convenience. I knew you would come up with this lame arguement about Bobby Jindal, so I had offered a disclaimer up front. But looks like you did not read it 
Try again and come up with something better next time 
A few points...Begum Aizaz Rasul only had an ancestral connection to Maler Kotla; her family lived in Lahore, and she had been married off into a prominent UP family well before Partition. Saeed Jaffery left India after Partition, and settled in the UK/US.
Begum Aizaz Rasul was born in Maler Kotla (India)and was married into a family from Awadh/Lucknow (India). She might have lived in pre-partition Lahore for some time but that was a part of India too. And dont forget that she achieved political success in India.
Saeed Jaffrey did his college education from India, and then went to UK for higher education. In any case, he has a base in India as well since he works in so many Indian movies.
If you need to refute a point, atleast do your research thoroughly so that you dont expose your ignorance.
Begum Aizaz Rasul was born in Maler Kotla
Prove it.
Her father, Sir Zulfikar Ali Khan, was from a minor branch of the royal family of Maler Kotla. He, however, settled in Lahore, where his children were born and (with the exception of Begum Aizaz Rasul) their descendants still live today. Their ancestral mansion on Charing Cross now houses the headquarters of a bank, if I'm not mistaken. She was born and educated in West Punjab, and married off to some taluqdar in UP. Her connection to East Punjab is peripheral at best, and to count her as a E. Punjab Muslim success story after the ethnic cleansing of that state is silly.
Saeed Jaffrey did his college education from India, and then went to UK for higher education. In any case, he has a base in India as well since he works in so many Indian movies.
The man has been settled in the West for over 60 years, and is best known for his work in British cinema and in Shakespearian theater, not Bollywood rubbish. There are plenty of Pakistanis involved in Bollywood films these days...it seems like Indians can't make a movie without having some Pakistani pop artist record at least a few songs...I suppose you'll want to claim them as Indian success stories too.
Why don't you point out someone who isn't from Maler Kotla, the one small exception to the general policy of ethnic cleansing in Patition-era Punjab?
You are missing the point here.
Begum Aizaz Rasul (an Indian Muslim) was successful in Indian politics despite being a Muslim.
Saeed Jaffrey (an Indian Muslim) attained success in India and abroad despite being a Muslim.
They did not have to go to Pakistan to become successful
I have already given you the examples of Azim Premji (Wipro)and Habil Khorakiwala (Wockhardt).
Additionally -
Like I said, do some research instead of spewing your bigotry and hate and exposing your ignorance in the process.
Prove it.
Her father, Sir Zulfikar Ali Khan, was from a minor branch of the royal family of Maler Kotla. He, however, settled in Lahore, where his children were born and (with the exception of Begum Aizaz Rasul) their descendants still live today. Their ancestral mansion on Charing Cross now houses the headquarters of a bank, if I'm not mistaken. She was born and educated in West Punjab, and married off to some taluqdar in UP. Her connection to East Punjab is peripheral at best, and to count her as a E. Punjab Muslim success story after the ethnic cleansing of that state is silly.
The man has been settled in the West for over 60 years, and is best known for his work in British cinema and in Shakespearian theater, not Bollywood rubbish. There are plenty of Pakistanis involved in Bollywood films these days...it seems like Indians can't make a movie without having some Pakistani pop artist record at least a few songs...I suppose you'll want to claim them as Indian success stories too.
Why don't you point out someone who isn't from Maler Kotla, the one small exception to the general policy of ethnic cleansing in Patition-era Punjab?
Watch the Punjabee bhai, run from these questions.
He is a smart guy, but too much nationalized for mother India (while living in USA as per his nick), to realize that he doesn't know what he is talking about.
He wants to run google and find stats, any stats without ever looking at them in detail.
To top it off, he (like many Indian nationalists) has never been to Pak, so he lives in this made up world while comparing Muslims from Indian south to the non-Muslims (if any are left) in Pakistani areas.
Sad, utterly sad on the faculties of these nationalists. Come to think of it, they are just like Pakistani Jihadis.
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wow! are you guys looking for succesfull muslims from India or from some particular location within India? If former there are plenty, if latter I don't know
How about you learn how to read before you start running your mouth. No one was asked you about Indian Muslims in general. Your list of “Muslim success stories” was in response to this post:
Which is why it’s entirely legitimate to point out weak connections to East Punjab in the list you originally posted. The fact that I even have to explain this to you is pretty pathetic. Apparently you can’t even manage to keep track of what point you’re trying to make.
As for your laundry list of successful Indian Muslims, I already posted a similar list of prominent Pakistani minorities as well (which, as already predicted, you ignored completely).
What Thackerey family has done...has they trained people to blow them up in public? You have wild animals like Hafeez and TTP guyz roaming in your society and killing innocent civilians. So, come again...
but they TTP or hafiz saeed cant win a election whereas modi did so my question remains unanswered.
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i would recommend indian visitors to read the book age of kali Amazon.com: The Age of Kali: Indian Travels and Encounters (9781864501728): Permissions, HarperCollins (UK) Publishers: Books
in that there is a whole babri mosque related episode and mumbai violence and a BJP affiliated rani from rajistan, should give you an idea of indian politics and how some/many successful and famous politician perceive muslims or their worth in india.
What? Did you go there and see when training was being given? Stop dreaming.
So, you now are talking about fractions and numbers. You think it is a numbers game. Go and google around, you will come to know how many innocent lives including muslims were taken by muslims. In Gujarat, both hindus and muslims were killed. I do not have to say who burned innocent lives first. Go and look after your own things.
An inquiry commisioned by Indian government concluded that karsevaks burned themselves by being stupid enough to cook food inside train.
a condemnable and despicable act by these barbarians
An inquiry commisioned by Indian government concluded that karsevaks burned themselves by being stupid enough to cook food inside train.
That enquiry came just before elections when railway minister was eyeing muslim votes. It was rejected by majority of indian population as a farce. Even people who have been involved in relief work in gujrat rejected it outright.
I am still waiting for answer to this question:
how do you account for decreasing population of minorities i.e. hindus/sikhs/christians in pakistan? Forced conversion? fear?
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^Quite lame, the judge was a hindu and an indian, and known to be an honest man. Only extremists like BJP and RSS doubted him.
As to population of minorties in Pakistan, give me the reference to this claim from Pakistan census and i will answer you.
How about you learn how to read before you start running your mouth. No one was asked you about Indian Muslims in general. Your list of "Muslim success stories" was in response to this post:
No, my list of successful Indian Muslims was in response to this post -
hahaha funny it sounds....just one example i would quote. in our apartment block there are atleast 30% hindu families and in our area there are atleast 40% grocery shops owned byhindus and that is i am talking about one of the most expensive area of karachi and country and there is no one who can stop them from buying r renting .
by the way can a muslim family buy or rent a house in posh neighbourhood of mumbai please tell, if no tell me why , and if yes then quote some recent examples.
although what had happened is tragic but tell me how many similar incidents had happened in pakistan if you find a number i can bet it would be lower than a months or two months of record in india... go and eat your pie we dont need your advice or comment we know where you belong and how you are in real.
And here was my response -
Dude, there are many Muslims living in the posh areas of Mumbai eg. Malabar Hill, Cuffe Parade etc. India has had multiple Muslim presidents & other "elected" leaders. Big companies like Wockhardt & Wipro were started and are led by Muslims. Indian cricket team had/has Muslims players, and Muslims are immensely popular Bollywood actors loved by audience across religions.
And what was Pakistan's record again ?
This thread was about minority persecution in Pakistan and not some city or province in Pak, so the most apt comparison is with minority conditions in India.
It was Burqa who went off on a tangent with his E.Punjab/W.Punjab fantasies and bigots like you jumped on the bandwagon...
Now why dont you take your own advice an learn to read before opening your mouth ?
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Whats has the sucess or failure of Indian Muslims have to do with the death of this poor Sikh.
The fact is that in the Pakhtunkhwa, the writ of the Pakistani state is disappearing, and the traditional Pashtun culture, which accorded these Sikhs Hamsaya status, is disintegration. What my Indian cousins need to understand that this breakdown has also affected other hamsiya groups like the Dom and Shahkhel as well. What we have in Pakhtunkhwa is qiyamat.
I think mods should create a seperate Malerkotla thread in the history section.
Please google and see the Indian Sensus report 2000. (You can get even district wise population) You can See that the Panjabi Muslim Population is not zero but they are almost 5% (East Punjab includes Haryana ,himajal and punjab states). .
As everyone has gone of tangent, why not join in the madness. Shri Truthjee, the Muslim population in Rohtak where my family is from, is about 0% percent. Have a look at the census of India website. In 1941, Muslims made 25% of the population, and in the rural areas they were closer to 35%. Neighbouring districts of Panipat and Karnal are equally with out Mualims.
Simlarly, Kangra was 7% Muslim, and the Punjab hills states were 10%. Himachal now has no Muslims left, except some nomadic Gujjars.
That 5% is made up entirely of the Meo in Gurgaon, and perhaps the Malerkotla Muslims.
So as Burqa said, in the old British province of Punjab, the minority population were entirely illiminated.
....... This thread was about minority persecution in Pakistan and not some city or province in Pak, so the most apt comparison is with minority conditions in India. ....
Pak's minority numbers before 1947 come from Punjab. The other states had very very low numbers and even lower social status.
W. Punjab was the MAIN area where educated Hindu elite and Sikh business elite was dominant.
Similarly E. Punjab had HUGE Muslim population with extensive land holdings.
These are the only two areas that got affected by the partition.
When you guys jump on Pakistan, you Totally fail to understand the realities before 1947 and after.
However some of you are so prejudiced against Pakistan, that you will never even try to understand the finer details and continue harping on statistics made up to suit your purpose. And that's sad!
No, my list of successful Indian Muslims was in response to this post -
And yet you felt the need to specifically quote the post asking you for Muslim success stories from East Punjab, and respond with a laundry list of people allegedly from a particular insignificant principality within East Punjab.
The laughably blatant stupidity of your arguments is so galling, it makes me remember exactly why I stopped posting here.
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If anyone questions whether there are many successful muslims in India they should just extract their heads from wherever it is buried, get rid of their hatred and jealousy of India and make honest attempts to understand facts objectively.
without that, resorting to smart penmanship will only give them momentary satisfaction but they are in the process insulting their own intelligence.
Apart from the luminaries such as have been already quoted here, there are tens of thousands of muslim businessmen, educators, artists, scientists, engineers, doctors, and so on. In certain parts of the country which sent a lot of people to the MEA during the gulf boom, a proportion of them have also bought medium and large sized agricultural and commercial properties.
So what is all this nonsense about 'proving' succes of Indian muslims?
There is poverty widespread in India and that doesn't know religious boundaries.
You people are talking as if you will know the entire history of every little taluk in India and who was born where and who moved where when.
If anyone questions whether there are many successful muslims in India they should just extract their heads from wherever it is buried, get rid of their hatred and jealousy of India and make honest attempts to understand facts objectively....
Ipod bhai,
You are going overboard now.
No one is jealous of Muslims's progress in India.
The real problem is with those Indians who want to use statistics (there are statistics and there are lies), to beat the cr@p out of Pakistan. Read Punjabee's original post on this topic.
The only suggestion for such INDIAN statements is that you must normalize your data if you want to compare your numbers with OTHER countries.
That's all.
Like tomorrow Punjabee says India has 10,000 miles of modern motorways in India.
By itself this is a good number for India.
But the next day if he mocks Pakistan that we have 2,000 miles of modern motorways,
then he is off base.
Because Punjabee failed to normalize his data over India's total geographical area.
Got it?
Since India has 10 times geogrphical area as that of Pakistan, then he must consider the ratio to see that India needs at least 20,000 miles of motorways in order to sufficiently prove that India has done better in road building compared to Pakistan.
Similarly when you compare the numbers of minority big wigs of India, with those in Pak, you can't just spit out the numbers and go home beating your chest that you beat Pakistan.
Heck no.
Punjabee must compare apples to apples. And thus it is important to show the minority bigwigs from Indian Punjab vs. Pakistani Punjab.
Remember!
It is really unfortunate, very smart Indians say goo bye to their mathematics and statistical knowledge when it comes to Pakistan.
And that's sad to see all that good Indian education go to waste!