Take the War to Pakistan- Karzai

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Oh that perfect defense. The day that information is made public is the day I agree that the CIA is funding the TTP. Till then they are Muslims taking part in attacks on Mosques and other Muslims. The TTP needs to be hanged. Every last one.

Hanibal, the ISI runs Afghanistan and Pakistan when it comes to intelligence and covert ops. If they do not have the proof to back up such claims who does. And there is always proof. Meetings, phone records etc. None of that is public, hell there is even no hinting of it at all. Save for the Tribune article that Raymond Davis had the phone numbers of TTP and LET members.

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I think the day that the article came where some sources were quoted as saying that he was maybe talking to TTP members it has become accepted by a sizable number that CIA in general and Raymond Davis in particular were responsible for funding TTP, scheduling attacks, selecting targets and managing day to day human resources issues workers rights, sexual harassment in the workplace, health and safety that sort of thing.

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I can't think of any strategic goal which US will achieve by invading or destroying Pakistan. So please stop all the halla/gullah.. and have gulab jaman.

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^ Whatever happened to you making threads about, let me quote you ‘bloody CIA agent Hamid Mir’ stirring trouble in Pakistan? :hehe: loteyae oye!

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Even a child can understand every major power maintain intelligence assets in nearly every country. So if US have assets in the shape of Hamid Mir or Raymod Davis, you should not be surprise.

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Be my guest to bite the dust... :D

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So if that is true.... then do you agree that the TTP needs to be hunted down and killed? That those communities willingly sheltering the TTP need to be purged?

In other words, the government should continue to take action to hunt down and kill members, leaders, and supporters of the TTP without mercy?

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Mad yes butt to some extent because TTP mainly is 5 % involved in the fighting now its the tribals who are attacking your army in suicide bombing yes its the TTP butt in fighting in waziristan its now local tribes so you need to talk to them too if you will not talk than you will have to fight them for 1000 years and still the war will not end because i assure you that they lot of weapons and stamina to fight you

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you need to make sure that local Tribes stop supporting TTP and this can only be done when you stop bombing them because pathan is very horrible person to take panga with they dont forget their reveng

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No its not the Tribals attacking Pakistan. What are you insane? Its militant groups including the TTP. The average Pakistani in FATA is proud of his or her heritage and Pakistan. The TTP has brought this entire mess to Pakistan and the FATA region. Poor innocent Pakistanis are being killed by Kafirs like those in the TTP and people are defending them.

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CM Tribals are proud of their heritage butt they still dont like any army in their area this was the condition in which they said yes in becoming part of Pakistan so they dont want Army their and thats why some tribes are fighting against Army butt this TTP funded by CIA is the one which is involved in bombings

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So now you’re saying the US is stirring up trouble in Pakistan? :hehe: You are so incoherent!

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**Washington: Petraeus urges Pakistan to take action in North Waziristan
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US Army Commander in Afghanistan General David Petraeus said that Pakistani forces must take action against militants in North Waziristan.

Commander of the NATO-led force in the Afghanistan said that Al-Qaeda and Haqani group operatives were present in North Waziristan.

Addressing a press conference in Washington, Petraeus said that al-Qaeda was facing enormous pressure in North Waziristan.

He said that Pakistan lost thousands of its soldiers and thousands of civilians in a very impressive counter insurgency campaign to clear Swat Valley and the other areas in Khyber and South Waziristan.

Responding to a question, the American commander said that t Pakistan wants to have reassurance that the country to its west is not a proxy for India, but it will not be just peaceful and stable but also will be a friend of Pakistan.

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It was a goodwill gesture by Jinnah as army wasn't needed right away in FATA back then, though army had to fight rebel afghan inspired FATAans who decided to revolt after 1947. I think this is the reason PAF wasn't fully deployed in kashmir as it was a nascent force and had to contend with the khotas near the afghan border.

Finally, FATA is part of Pakistan so Army can and should be able to go there with all the activity due to WoT. Otherwise, tribals should be happy with drone strikes and it seems they aren't as poll after poll show that tribals favor a military operation in the area even though it would be collaterally expensive compared to drone strikes.

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not that bro, wait for the moment they say that each pakistani is osama bin laden and order to invade pakistan, but the thing is that pakistan is not afghanistan or iraq, it's a 7th nuclear nation of the world and any war with pakistan, will definitly be the end of the remains of the united states of america from the world map

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MQP threatens to block NATO supply due to drone attacks

Mutahida Qabail Party (MQP) has threatened to block the supply of NATO.

MQP has threatened to block NATO supply due to drone attacks inside Pakistan. In a press conference in Islamabad, MQP’s chairman Habib Malik Orakzai said that terrorism activities were increasing due to drone attacks and he would take this issue to the International Court of Justice.

He said that drone attacks could have been stopped if drones were shot down by Pakistani forces. He said that the government was taking billions of rupees from the US for tribal areas progress but it wasn’t spending it on tribal areas.

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Pakistan army couldnt do anything now I think with the passage of time they will start losing any allies they had in FATA. Americans are winning!

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Interesting thoughts…

http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2011/03/20/the-sound-and-fury-of-u-s-pakistan-ties-part-ii/

The “sound and fury” of U.S.-Pakistan ties (Part II)

I have (somewhat belatedly) got around to reading the full text of the statement made by Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani condemning last week’s drone strike in North Waziristan which killed more than 40 people. The strike has reignited tensions with Washington, and came only a day after Pakistan released Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor who shot dead two Pakistanis, after a bruising row with the United States.
The Pakistani media has put forward many reasons as to why Kayani issued such a public condemnation, and indeed on why the United States chose to launch such a lethal drone attack just as tempers were beginning to cool over the Davis row (for a must-read round up of the different views of officials and analysts in Peshawar, see Cyril Almeida at Dawn.)

One of the more interesting explanations lies in the statement itself (my italics):
“Chief of Army Staff, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, strongly condemns the Predator Strike carried out today in North Waziristan Agency resulting into loss of innocent lives. It is highly regrettable that a jirga of peaceful citizens including elders of the area was carelessly and callously targeted with complete disregard to human life. In complete violation of human rights, such acts of violence take us away from our objective of elimination of terrorism. It is imperative to understand that this critical objective can not be sacrificed for temporary tactical gains. Security of people of Pakistan, in any case, stands above all.”

His criticism of the United States putting tactical gains ahead of the longer-term needs of battling terrorism goes to the heart of the mismatch between U.S. and Pakistani priorities. The United States, keen to end the war in Afghanistan, needs Pakistan’s help quickly in fighting militants on its side of the border. Pakistan says it can’t fight all militant groups at once and that moving too fast would unleash fresh instability in Pakistan itself.
This ambivalence by Pakistan is often presented as evidence of duplicity, with the many critics of the country’s approach to militancy arguing that while it is allied to the United States, it continues to support militant groups that can be used against India. But then, read Kayani’s statement in conjunction with this WikiLeaks cable published by The Hindu to understand why none of this is as black-and-white as some would have you believe.
The cable is based on a November 2008 briefing by then National Intelligence Officer for South Asia Peter Lavoy to NATO Permanent Representatives. Although much of this ground has been covered before - notably on how the Pakistan Army’s approach is influenced by the perceived threat from India - I have not seen such detailed comments from a U.S. official on how far the military is also driven by a genuine fear of instability in Pakistan.

Among the highlights:
- Lavoy said there was a risk that Pakistan could ”completely lose control of its Pashtun territories over the next few years”. This risk came from a breakdown in traditional Pashtun tribal authority since the anti-Soviet jihad period, and from past neglect of the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan which left them suffering high levels of illiteracy, unemployment, and disaffected youth. “Both of these situations play to the advantage of insurgent and extremist groups. ”

  • He said that although ”Pakistan now identifies both al-Qaeda and the Taliban as existential threats”, it continued to allow the Quetta shura Taliban to operate unfettered in Baluchistan province, while the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency provided intelligence and financial support to the Haqqani network in North Waziristan. ”PermReps questioned the rationality of Pakistan’s support for the Taliban, which Lavoy explained in three ways. First, Pakistan believes the Taliban will prevail in the long term, at least in the Pashtun belt most proximate to the Pakistani border. Second, Pakistan continues to define India as its number one threat, and insists that India plays an over-active role in Afghanistan. Finally, Pakistani officials think that if militant groups were not attacking in Afghanistan, they would seek out Pakistani targets.”

  • “Lavoy said that after the storming of Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in July 2007, the Pakistani government had tried to sever ties with insurgent groups that its government institutions had cultivated over three decades. When militants sought al-Qaida support and launched a wave of attacks against Pakistani government and security personnel, Pakistan realized it had lost control of these insurgent groups. Pakistan rapidly approached the various militant groups to reach domestic non-aggression deals. Lavoy claimed that the Pakistani Army’s current operations in the FATA’s Bajaur Agency are directed exclusively against insurgent groups that refused to cooperate, while the Haqqani network remains untouched and continues a policy of cross-border attacks. Urging militant groups to be outwardly focused, he said, is perceived by Pakistani officials as a method to safeguard internal security. In addition, Pakistan has (probably correctly) assessed that it is only capable of targeting several groups at a time, which leads to a policy of appeasement of other groups in the meantime.”
    Now put these comments into the context of the strains in the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. The United States has a short-term priority – to end the war in Afghanistan and bring its troops home by 2014. Pakistan has a long-term challenge in rolling back militant groups — and the mindset that accompanies them — something that could take a generation to achieve. And while the U.S. focus is on Afghanistan, the Pakistan Army’s priority (at risk of stating the obvious) is stability in Pakistan.

With some care and attention, these two different but overlapping priorities, and two different but overlapping timescales, can in theory be reconciled. But the area of overlap is narrow – a bit like a Venn diagram which is also constantly moving, as it is buffeted by volatility of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship and the unpredictability of events in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Imagined this way, you can see why — at least from Pakistan’s point of view – Kayani would argue that, “this critical objective (of the fight against terrorism) can not be sacrificed for temporary tactical gains. Security of people of Pakistan, in any case, stands above all.”