Tahirul Qadri's long march

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I have been thinking of this unholy alliance. I think the reasons could be:

MQM: is a little bit busy and tied up in the issue of Imran Farooq, therefore I think they’d prefer to have the elections postponed for the time being.

PMLQ: The recent by elections in Punjab would have been an eye opener for both PPP and PMLQ. It seems that the alliance has not been accepted by the workers on both sides, hence it makes sense for PMLQ to depart as well when ever they find the chance.

Establishment or not, the vested interests would be dictating their course of action.

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Whether PPP wins or loses, elections should never be postponed. I think it is high time that Zardari should announce the election schedule. They can be held few months ahead. Sooner the better.

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I think he should announce the caretaker setup and the date of the elections before the march.

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march against themselves.. I say go for it tigers! :k:

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Mushy era was not "strongest dictatorship" and this democracy is not really "weakest democracy" as you are making it out to be but in all cases so far PPP has chosen to make deals with army, chosen to participate in elections even if army is the so-called shot-makers. The reason PPP takes part in elections is to take part in the exchequers, plain and simple.

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It is wrong statement that everyone is involved in corruption, nepotism, mismanagement and misuse of power … as it is impossible for 99.9 percent of Pakistanis to get involved in any corruption or wrongdoings as it is they who are exploited civilians without any means or authority to get involved in such practices of corruption.

Only those who have some sort of authority in country can do corruption and other wrongdoings and thus could get involved. These people are bureaucrats, judiciary, police, armed forces in decision making positions, politicians holding (or at time held) public offices, lower government servants in authority, and people like them.

None deserve to be forgiven and thus there should be no ‘NRO’ for these thugs who looted and destroyed the country and made majority of Pakistanis suffer. It is because of them we not only see crime, poverty, misery, pain and deprivation but we see sectarian, religious as well as ethnic violence in the country … as all is happening because Pakistanis have given up every hope to get justice for themselves or know no other ways to express themselves or to get heard other than violence.

As for NRO for fresh start … then fresh start for whom, same thugs who looted and destroyed the country to come back again into authority as Angels? No way … W should not do that neither we can afford to have NRO anymore.

You are right that we need new social, political and regional contract and that contract has to be for every Pakistani … hmm ... Every Pakistani minus corrupts of the past and people involved in nepotism, mismanagement, misconduct and misuse of state powers entrusted to them … as their (corrupts) new contract should be to lose all whatever material wealth they possess and die by hanging or by firing squad … and their family to live deprived life in poverty.

[Unfortunately, I am not in position to decide their fate, but I can only hope and pray that someone do come in power by whatever means, who decide their fate as I wrote]

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Well, whatever Ayub, Yahya, Zia or Musharraf did, and whatever model they gave to the country, it was much better than whatever Pakistani political thugs have done to the country and whatever they gave to the country. Fact is that, model past dictators gave to Pakistan kept Pakistan floating but it was people like Bhutto, BeNazir, Nawaz and Zardari that always made Pakistan sink to deep sht and that is what collectively Politicians are doing today, pushed Pakistan into sht-hole full of Sht in 2008 and now doing their best so that Pakistan sinks to lowest part of sht-hole.

Only exception amongst the dictator was Zia, but even he did better economic management of Pakistan, though his religious retarded mentality destroyed Pakistan religiously and created an army of retards killing people in the name of their Kharjee beliefs.

As far as I am concerned, I would not care who rules the country or how they came to power (through military takeover or sham democracy that exist in Pakistan), as long as they make Pakistan economically strong and do not do nepotism, mismanagement and power misuse.

Your saying that Sindh would rather prefer to go with India make me laugh, as it seems you are owner of Sindh or got Sindh in your dowry (jehaz) ;). Seems Zardari germs of ‘Jehaz style Qabza’ are catching up fast in Sindh. :)

Chalo yahi game khaltay hain …. So how about calling descendent of Raja Dahir from India and giving them all the lands in Sindh… kicking out Rajput Bhutto family and Baluch Zardari family who are both illegally occupying huge tracks of lands in Sindh so that these lands can be handed over to their rightful owners, Hindu descendants of Raja Dahir.

Well, don’t you think it would be better to call Hindu descendants of Raja Dahir from India and hand over all the lands in Sindh after taking them away from feudal lords of Sindh?

I am sure MQM would not mind that, as very few or negligible of their voters hold large track of lands in Sindh or are big landlords even in cities.

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your blackmailing in the name of Sindh is more like blackmailing of MQM in the name of Karachi, so no much difference between both of you.

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Tahir ul Qadri has threatened a 'peaceful' Tehreer Square on 14th January. The battle lines are being drawn in which PAT (TUQ's Pakistan Awami Tehreek), MQM, PMLQ and maybe some other small parties would be on one side. PPP and PMLN would be clearly on the otherside. As PPP is the incumbent and PMLN is the aspiring and would most probably form the next government. In this scenario I'd hope and like PTI to be on the side of democracy (PMLN and PPP in this case). I am confident that it would remain on the side lines and let go of any temptations, since I dont think IK has the desire to become PM through back doors (as he already has refused to Musharraf).

If PTI takes a bold stand this time, its stature would grow. It might still not form the next government, but at least it would remain true to its slogan of change. At the moment the powers who want to hijack the change slogan are all status quo (PMLQ, MQM and PAT), and as a result we could see TuQ as the caretaker PM for the next few years.

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Worlds largest Tahrir square on Jan 14 - thenews.com.pk

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What exactly is he trying to do? I don’t understand. :confused:

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^ no one knows, he has suddenly arrived on the scene and wants to have the system replaced. People are a bit worried and skeptical as to whats going on, and what he actually wants to achieve. The establishment is not happy with how things have progressed during the past 5 years, maybe they want to derail the democracy once again Middle East type. The people are in despair, and hence easy to use/manipulate (thankfully to the misgovernance of the present regime).

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Zardari has summoned the premier to Karachi on urgent basis to review MQM+PAT gathering/march.

Dr Qadri has vowed again today under oath that he isn't backed by any external or internal forces. But even if he is believed, the way he has chosen is not the right way. Change should be brought about, not imposed.

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No statement from Rehman Malik??? Teesri qoowat, beirooni haath, categorical warning waghera waghera :cb:

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I think RehBan Malik has been sidelined… :khumar:

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They were responsible for breakup of the country. And how you are supporting these dictators.

You are ignoring your mqm here. Your state does not make any difference here.

Again you are forgetting that he also created mqm.

Military governments were the most corrupt governments they had delivered illegitimate entities like mqm, TTP, jehadis and other tonga parties to serve them only and continued their tyrant and corrupt rule.

Sindh was much better place to live in when it was part of India.

Do You think you are descendent of Arabs? Look back to your third or fourth generation family history. Perhaps you would be shameful to know what they were and what they were doing?

I was talking about those Hindus who were forced to leave their motherland and their properties were illegally allotted, They have their right to claim their properties.

Name them. You are lying as usual.

Look what your pir said a few years back in India

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No I am not black mailing but responding to one of future out come when failure models already tried for decades in Pakistan whose outcomes are still haunting, will again be put in place for further destruction of the country. Read my post again.

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To me Military is not in favor of elections. Most probably either IK or PML(N) wins the elections, perhaps they don't want to see them to seat of power perhaps because of displeasure of their masters. So this Qadri-MQM-QLeague drama to postpone the elections and install a caretaker government comprising of them who work directly under instructions of the military, which also does not antagonize their masters. However if it is true, Pakistan will further go down in chaos and anarchy. Fair and impartial elections on time or even before is the only option.

Zardari is in quandary. He has to take bold and timely decision in the interest of Pakistan. Perhaps PML(N) and IK will also agree to him if he decides early elections.

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Will you believe ?
https://news.google.com/news/tbn/0fgjl09VgxQJ/6.jpgArmy not behind Dr Qadri: ISPR

And another news report

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