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. Muslims have got to stop blaming others and start doing some real serious introspection.
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YES!
You listen to Hamza Yusuf too?
Ana
when Dumbo Bush asked the world are you with the Americans or the Terrorists (media codeword for muslims) i take it your with the americans
The 2 tall towers crashing down you talk about was blamed on muslims before any evidence was presented or any court case and this is still the case instead we have had trial by media and muslims guilty before even being prooved innocent!
Any person with IQ above 10 can see america has been targetting politcial islam for decades.
Yes the real problem lies at the doorsteps of the corrupted rulers in the muslim lands they are much bigger problem than america or israel ever have been.
But don't hide from the fact that this same american regime along with britain sponsers and supports many of the corrupted rulers with money, weapons torture equipment etc!
mo_best: Who the heck is Hamza Yusuf, kid? I dunna listen to no fatwa-citing turncoats. Only to the voice of reason within mine own heart. 
ak47: again, I reiterate - it’s the message, not the messenger. Any person with an IQ below 110 should also realize that Political Islam is only a tool of backward leeches and people’s party politicians, and it has existed only so long as such people have existed to give it legitimacy.
The United States is concerned primarily with its own well-being. I do not grudge that to a nation that has worked hard and shed countless gallons of blood and sweat to get where it has today. Neither would u, if u were in its place. It’s national policy - or foreign policy - is to protect itself first and foremost. It goes after those people and places that are a threat to its security - vital threats, like the USSR used to be, or strategic threats, like Iraq is. Nothing wrong with self-preservation, and in the case of an immense superpower, nothing wrong with self-preservation at the cost of millions of people outside its borders. U kids have first and foremost got to understand what makes the enemy tick, before u set about attacking it with yr barb wire shafts. Flimsy homemade firecrackers do NOT hold up against LAWS, POLICIES, PROCEDURES, and the US CONSTITUTION. Get that thru ur heads. Regardless of what the US has done or is doing or will do in territories that are not its own, it is convinced that it is acting in its national interest and therefore has a right to carry out its actions. This right is reinforced by quislings like Saddam Hussein and Pervaiz Musharraf, lickspittles like Atal Bihari Vajpayee, dictators like Castro and Gadhafi, weaklings like Tony Blair, psychopaths like Ariel Sharon, oligarchies like the House of Saud and scores of funky blittering idiots clustered in bureaucratic-scotch-tape groups like the United Nations and the Organization of Islamic Countries. The United States has NO opponent that can stand up to it, and will never allow such an opponent to take root. Understand this, and work with it.
The first step of war is learn from your adversary. Don’t set out to teach what u have not yet learnt!
Ana- blunt but well-said.
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My bad, Kosser. I realized that after I posted - the animosity that is. Sorry.
Re his previous or current track record, no I don't think it should influence in any way his Ramadan message, rhetoric or not. As I said b4, it is up to us how to define and interpret it, he was under no compulsion to put it out there if he truly was intent on eradicating Islam so much.
Look, he may have some serious greivances against Islam.. so, who doesn't? But he is a politician, he can't afford to alienate his party constituents, who include muslims. This eradicate Islam argument is all BS. Dilute Islam, liberalize it, westernize it, commencialize it - yes, plausible argument there. Eradicate, no. That's too harsh a word, and not even a remote likelihood. In the world of politics that is not the way things r done. Far from it.
And even if he is out to adulterate Islam, so what? Lots of Muslims are doing it already, with or without western encouragement. Have been doing it for decades in fact. Can't blame the west or east or whatever for our own ills. We reap what we sow. Muslims have got to stop blaming others and start doing some real serious introspection. It's about time, dontcha think? The impression that the world has about us and our religion, comes mainly from us... we Muslims * have given this impression to everyone, that's the only reason why they have it. That's the only reason, if anyone harbors hate towards us, why they do.
No sane human being will have cause to harm or think bad of another unless u give them a *reason do to so. Politicians may seem demented and always out for their own benefits, but they're not really.
There's always an underlying reason for it. In the case of the US, this country perceives Muslims as a very real threat. I recall two tall towering reasons for that impression in recent history. Can't blame them. Besides, which of our wonderful Islamic nations has any sort of great track record in any area to do with human or animal or plant welfare? None. Why shoud anyone repect us, when we don't give them cause to respect us? Just coz we're Muslim? Nonsense. We r in no way superior to anyone else on this planet. We don't play fair either, it's not just the west that doesn't.
So whose fault is it? Ours. Say it with me now - I must fix myself instead of blaming others for my faults. kya samjhey?
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Excellent analysis, Ana!
And, in the spirit of international exhange, I'll be anxiously awaiting warm and cheery Christmas wishes to Americans from the leaders of Muslim nations!
But, I won't hold my breath!
Peace To All Who Read This...
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And, in the spirit of international exhange, I'll be anxiously awaiting warm and cheery Christmas wishes to Americans from the leaders of Muslim nations!
But, I won't hold my breath!
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Islam is a pure religion with no need to accomodate any custom, practice or celebration of the kafir. By wishing them a Merry Christmas, that would actually be giving shahaddah to that, what they celebrate is right.
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mo_best: Who the heck is Hamza Yusuf, kid? I dunna listen to no fatwa-citing turncoats.
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Not a turnout or a sellout or a fatwa wielding maniac, quite the opposite. Classy, educated, sophisticated and reasonable, he analyses Al islam in the light of the modern world, and looks within our ummah at our problems. America is not the cause of all our mysery.
**Originally posted by mrpockets: *
And, in the spirit of international exhange, I'll be anxiously awaiting warm and cheery Christmas wishes to Americans from the leaders of Muslim nations! *
christmas greetings to americans or to christians? there is a difference you know :)
*But, I won't hold my breath! *
umm hmmmm
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*Originally posted by mrpockets: *
And, in the spirit of international exhange, I'll be anxiously awaiting warm and cheery Christmas wishes to Americans from the leaders of Muslim nations! *
christmas greetings to americans or to christians? there is a difference you know :)
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WHy Fruadiya? Someone wishing you a merry christmas offends You? Why shouldn't the leaders of Muslim Nations offer christmas greetings? I bet you donuts to dollars that Bush will offer eid greetings. he already offered ramadan/zaan one.
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*WHy Fruadiya? Someone wishing you a merry christmas offends You? *
where exactly did I say that :) or did you conveniently forget that i have always wished ppl on christmas, hanukkah, diwali.
if you have a point to make, atleast make it a valid point.
*Why shouldn't the leaders of Muslim Nations offer christmas greetings? I bet you donuts to dollars that Bush will offer eid greetings. he already offered ramadan/zaan one. *
chaltahai
I am just asking for clarification. are we askign about christmas greetings to americans in particular or to christians in general.
Lets not start jumping the gun and assuming what I meant. I asked a simple question.
Fraudz: look at your response to MT Pockets...."...there is difference you know" is not a cry for clarification but a clear indication that you understood what was being asked.
And why should there even be a question of American or Christian. A christmas greeting is a friggin greeting. I don;t need to be a son of a preacher man to deserve some good cheer.
Guys guys guys.... coool it down will ya? : phoonking on nails:
Xmas greetings or season's greetings are typically sent out by almost ALL governments to each other - even the KSA sends them out.. yes it does.. has been doing for quite some time now. So SHADDDDDDDAAP the lot 'o u!!
Embassies dispatch messages of wellwishing at precisely five minutes to midnite their time, to each other, on the occasion of whatever important festival or event it is for the receiving end. Those lil telegraph chits (in the olden days - don't know about now - email prolly) may not be shown to the whole nation the next day, but to retain goodwill towards each other - esp. their vital allies - countries do send each other greetings. Whether the public likes it or not or agrees with it or not, from a small back room in every embassy that is equipped with a candle and a fax machine, it is done. End of topic.
Now, people of one nation sending greetings to people of another nation openly and thru the mass media, like Bush did - thereby representing people of the US - may or may not be common. That depends on public pressure. BUT the representatives of nations - thru their embassies and counsulates - do do it, so it's equivalent to the aam janta bestowing their greetings as well.
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**Fraudz: look at your response to MT Pockets...."...there is difference you know" is not a cry for clarification but a clear indication that you understood what was being asked. *
dont pop a heart valve there mah man ;)
No, there is a difference between americans and christians. because a greeting to a country is different than a greeting to people belonging to a particular faith.
So you jump the gun and assume what i meant by my question to him, should i styart doing the same to yours :)
*And why should there even be a question of American or Christian. A christmas greeting is a friggin greeting. I don;t need to be a son of a preacher man to deserve some good cheer. *
because all americand are not christians and all christians are not american. Its as simple as that.
Americans get greetings on 4th of july and christians get greetings on christmas day.
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**Guys guys guys.... coool it down will ya? : phoonking on nails:
Xmas greetings or season's greetings are typically sent out by almost ALL governments to each other - even the KSA sends them out.. yes it does.. has been doing for quite some time now. So SHADDDDDDDAAP the lot 'o u!! **
thanks for pointing that out, maybe Mr Pockets wont have to hold his breath anymore :)
cool it down :) there is only one post here where the person seemed to pop his top :D
anyways
Tafsir of clubber lang's tafsir of W's message
"boo hoo, whine, sob, boo hisss, whimper"
thats all folks
Ana
Obviously you have no clue what is political islam. If you think the politics of pakistan is representative of islam then you are more niave than i thought.
You do not begrudge the united states through its blood sweat and tears and nuclear bombing of japan not once but twice, its chemical genocide in Veitnam, its sanctions and its depleted uranium nuclear attacks on iraq for past 11 years, its countless instigated wars, its countless support of the very dictators you speak against!
The united states may very well not allow an oppenent to take root but nothing lasts forever and the united states is not as strong as it appear the first rule of war is based on deception!
America cannot attack afghanistan without the permission of pakistan aswell as use its bases. America cannot attack iraq without help and permission of all them corrupted gulf states how you going to move US navys 5ft fleet into persian gulf you gonna teletransport them are you tell me 
Just like britain in its colonial past it relies on other nations for resources and implementation of its foreign polices. Cut these links then what will it do!
Salaam Alikum
Faisal if you really are sincere about finding out about the economic system of islam, here is a link which is usefull.
http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/books/pdfs/economic_system.pdf
Re: Re: Tafsir of President Bush's Message for Ramadan
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Excuse me for saying this, but even by HT's standards, this was quite lame. I am sure, given some thought, HT could have come up with a better message with atleast some substance and relevance.
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What do you expect from the Hizb-ul-Tafriq lol, they can just change transcripts or quote lies, but too bad they will remain as flyer distributors hehe Another thread where they have made fools out of thesmelves like always... Great analysis ANA
Your continuos attacks on Ht are just laughble mr air miles its getting to the point of makin people 
stick to the :topic: