Tafsir of President Bush's Message for Ramadan

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1. Ana

  1. Obviously you have no clue what is political islam. If you think the politics of pakistan is representative of islam then you are more niave than i thought.

  2. You do not begrudge the united states through its blood sweat and tears and nuclear bombing of japan not once but twice, its chemical genocide in Veitnam, its sanctions and its depleted uranium nuclear attacks on iraq for past 11 years, its countless instigated wars, its countless support of the very dictators you speak against!

  3. The united states may very well not allow an oppenent to take root but nothing lasts forever and the united states is not as strong as it appear the first rule of war is based on deception!

  4. America cannot attack afghanistan without the permission of pakistan aswell as use its bases. America cannot attack iraq without help and permission of all them corrupted gulf states how you going to move US navys 5ft fleet into persian gulf you gonna teletransport them are you tell me

  5. Just like britain in its colonial past it relies on other nations for resources and implementation of its foreign polices. Cut these links then what will it do.
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Ah. Now that the turkey is successfully dead, I am in the mood to answer this.

Answers follow as below.

  1. ak47

  2. Political Islam - if it is not the politics being played out by - not necessarily just Pakistan but almost all the other "Islamic" nations as well - then what is it?
    Political Islam only exists insofar as it is given a reason and a validity to exist. Shariat-based Islam is not "Political Islam", it is the embodiment of Islamic ideology into codified law as exemplified in the Qur'an and according to the Hadith.

The word political has dirty and base connotations to it.

What Al Qaida has erupted is Political Islam. Hudood Ordinance is Political Islam. Khilafat of House of Saud and the spread of wahabism is Political Islam. Islamic practice connected to the engenderment of power, prestige and privilege is Political Islam.

These are not Islamic Shariah applied to law, but misinterpretations or fallacious interpretations of Islamic injunctions. I think there is a very big difference between true Shariah meant to assist mankind in daily life, as put forward by Muhammed SAW and the Qur’an - which no country practices in the true sense - and the brand of Shariah that is actually followed, which caters to itself in making its own convoluted ideology stronger while enriching its non-islamic coffers.

Modern Political Islam is something which can be bought and sold, and has some trading value. It is separate, distinct – and in fact very much stands far apart – from religious practice. It has its own agenda, which may or may not involve the guidance of the Qur’an. It has its own whims and fancies. It is a stand-alone monster that does not require Islam as its foundation at all. It only requires weapons, and willing hands to hold and aim them.

Political Islam of today might as well be called Political Orthodox Christianity, Political Orthodox Judaism, or any other extremist system that puts the notion of God up above on the highest shelf and leaves it there, beyond human reach, while it goes about the task of making the world an unfit place to live for everyone else.

  1. Yes. The US was a superpower, it perceived a threat to its sovereignty, it acted according to whatever self-preservation instincts got kicked it. Cruel, but fact is fact. It thinks only of itself, and perhaps justly so.

  2. You are right, the US is not as strong as it appears. In fact, it is even stronger, and appearances can be deceptive. The fact that Dubya, acting like a weakling went around “begging” nations to join him in a coalition against terrorism, and they ultimately did end up joining his fight, even tho a matter of 3k people dying in a blast is no big deal – happens in their countries or around the world somewhere or the other almost on a monthly basis - speaks immensely for the true power that he yields. And as the President of the US, and the son of a former President (who himself was not in anyway passive in office, while also having on his resume the title of Director of the CIA and having access to extrordinarily worthless connections as a result), the power Beta W yields would translate logically, in any marketplace, to the power the US yields. Appearances can be deceptive. Correct.

The fact that the CIA is now the strongest intelligence agency in the world, also makes those appearances - weaker.

  1. The US did not require Pakistani permission to attack Afghanistan. It only needed Pakistani launch-pads for liftoff and landing. The US, in case u have not noticed, does not ask permission for things. It does not need to.

In return for landing rights, Pakistan’s economy was put to rights. Sanction removal was only one of the fruits offered, in case, again, u have not noticed. For a wealthy nation, as well as a wealthy man reeling from siphoning off billions from Enron, money is no object.

As far as the Gulf is concerned, the US did not ask the people of the Middle East if we would like those bases there. It asked – quietly – the ruling classes, and since it holds a number of important promissory notes from those said classes, they had little choice but to acquiesance gracefully. Thus, bases were established almost overnight in the gulf states, that are now so immune to loud night club music and garish neon lights that they would willingly unearth and sell their dead and buried mothers for that last shot of tequila.

The US, as I have emphatically stated, does not need no one’s permission to raid their houses. It owns those houses, and if the temporary man of the house or the tenants complain, landlord rights state that those people may be put out of their misery unconditionally and without a hint of regret.

  1. Britain, France, Germany, Canada, even insignificant puny little Italy – all have pledged their support – tacit, verbal, written, or otherwise – in the US-spearheaded war against “terror”. In return, each of these nations gets, as usual, something or the other as gratitude. There are many donkeys out there, and just as many carrots. There is only one dangler, and that is the US. US Foreign Policy is Everybody’s Foreign Policy, until just “they” remain foreigners, and those foreigners are then colonized to silent slavery. MacDonalds Big Macs will only help in this war, be sure to do your duty and shell out four quid or three bucks or whatever to support capitalism, Big Brother, and the return to the pre-emancipation era, only this time history books will not call it the British Raj, it’ll be The Life and Times of Oil Slick Dubya.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Ana: I do not have the time to analyze your entire post so I will metabolize the following.

<<6. Britain, France, Germany, Canada, even insignificant puny little Italy – all have pledged their support – tacit, verbal, written, or otherwise – in the US-spearheaded war against “terror”. In return, each of these nations gets, as usual, something or the other as gratitude. There are many donkeys out there, and just as many carrots. There is only one dangler, and that is the US. US Foreign Policy is Everybody’s Foreign Policy, until just “they” remain foreigners, and those foreigners are then colonized to silent slavery. MacDonalds Big Macs will only help in this war, be sure to do your duty and shell out four quid or three bucks or whatever to support capitalism, Big Brother, and the return to the pre-emancipation era, only this time history books will not call it the British Raj, it’ll be The Life and Times of Oil Slick Dubya.

Happy Thanksgiving.>>

Can you expound on this slavery that you're talking about? I love the style but am a little uncomfortable by the lack of factual information. What makes you think the US is going to enslave other nations? And to compare the coming global leadership via American power to a return to pre-emacipation is hogwash. Can you explain how capitalism is going to be like colonialism?

Oh, I thought you werent a member of the hizb-ul-tafriq. Everyone knows the hizb is just a poster/flyer distributing group, that envies groups like the Lashkar etc, but in 50 years they have managed nothing at all. Only a handful of fundos like you support it. Youre even worse than Bush himself, atleast he has sent good wishes to Muslims in ramazan, you and your Hizb-uls will die before doing that to any Christian on X-mas. In case you havent noticed, everyone makes fun of the few Hizb-Godfathers/Khalifahs we have on this forum.

spock

Do you know christopher columbus he discovered america apparently on his travels, Which countries have you discovered on your trips :rotfl: i am dying to know :hehe:

your moaning about ht is boring me and personal attacks are not tolerated so you should read up on the rules regarding this subject!

Like i said before stick to the :topic:

Mr. Dodo, I have not travelled in 9 months, but if it makes you feel good, oh yeah, Im enjoying my travels, right now Im in Jamaica thinking of you Hizb-ul-Freaks.

Rest of your post, usual garbage from you… Typical HT nonsense.

Ana

The word politics is just a word similar to television. A Television can be used to show naked women or it can be used to show educational programs.
Same as politics it can be used by corrupt politicians in Pakistan or america. Or it can be the taking care of affairs of people which is the shariah term for politics siyassa in arabic.

I agree with you on the politicians today who abuse islam to get power no party cannot get into power without using the islamic card even the puppet of america busharaff will quote ayah of quran. But reagrdless of this we cannot abandon islam because it contains within it a political system whcih is based on quran and sunnah.

America and CIA is only strong because weak leadership in places like pakistan have sold the security to the americans for peanuts the CIA is powerful because it has offices within muslim lands why you avoiding the obvious that without the permssion of the corrupt rulers the CIA cannot operate within muslim land it could not for example kill 6 people in yemen with out complicit help of yemeni authorities. You are wrong to say america is stronger it is reliant on other nations in terms of resources and strategic land.

As for pakistan economy its rewards for slavery was peanuts they expected billions in return for there help instead they where offered rescheduled loans oh wow what a prize that is more debt thank you very much go ask jo public in pakistan is the economy any good!

If america does'nt need permission why the hell did'nt they bomb iraq yesterday!

Your final point regarding the france, germany canada yes they go along as long as they get peice of the action this is obvious!

Your asumption that america is untouchable is a myth currently yes they are the only superpower but they have weaknesses only a person with a defeated mentality canout see these weaknesses and exploit them.