It has been said, that when someone wishes you good things and prosperity according to your religion, whether he wishes you in good faith or bad, how you interpret its meaning will determine the soundness of your own faith.
President George W. Bush has made a statement that reaches out and touches the hearts of the global muslim community. As a Christian, he is not obligated to do that. As a leader of a predominantly non-muslim nation, he is not obligated to do that. As a ruler of a global empire, he is not obligated to do that.
But he has done it.
It speaks volumes about the humility of our religion, and the power of Islam - that it can make a strong man comes to his knees. It speaks volumes of the need of world leaders and the world community, to recognize Islam as an important element of modern life that says Islam is here to stay. It speaks volumes of the humbleness that this man - George W. Bush - for ONE second in his life - willingly and unconditionally shares with a world of people he knows nothing about.
LEARN, my friends, from the essence of humility this message conveys. Learn from a man who is hated throughout the modern world, and perhaps even the universe, how to spread peace, tolerance, and goodwill throughout mankind.
Kosser, al-mohajiroun's top goon does not live on welfare in the UK?
please get your comprehension right,
I said al-mhajiroun's top guy, which is a split away group from HT lives in UK and does live on the dole. go back, read it again. shabash
since Ht and mhajiroun dont like one another. I assume that theya re both going to build their own versions of khilafahs :)
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More tripe i see, ALM and Ht might disagree on the method to achieve Khilafah but we have respect for all the ulema who carry the dawah to establish khilafah and ALm like ourselves want khilafah rashidun so respect to the brothers for fufilling the obligation to establish khilafah
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President George W. Bush has made a statement that reaches out and touches the hearts of the global muslim community. As a Christian, he is not obligated to do that. As a leader of a predominantly non-muslim nation, he is not obligated to do that. As a ruler of a global empire, he is not obligated to do that.
But he has done it.
LEARN, my friends, from the essence of humility this message conveys. Learn from a man who is hated throughout the modern world, and perhaps even the universe, how to spread peace, tolerance, and goodwill throughout mankind.
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I realy think that somepeople are fast asleep and unaware of reality the history of the American System.
The US association with dictatorships and terrorist groups have involved training, funding and politically supporting the most brutal of regimes. Nowhere is this more apparent than in the states of Central and South America. Between 1981 and 1985 an American terrorist army, the Contra in Nicaragua, were trained, armed and funded by the CIA murdering 3,346 Nicaraguan children and teenagers and killing one or both parents of 6,236 children [Dianna Melrose, ‘Nicaragua: The Threat of a Good Example’, Oxfam, Oxford, 1985, p26]. Former CIA analyst David MacMichael gave reasons for this in evidence given to the International Court of Justice. The American terror he said was designed, ‘to provoke cross border attacks by Nicaraguan forces and thus serve to demonstrate Nicaragua’s aggressive nature’ and to pressure the Nicaraguan government ‘to clamp down on civil liberties within Nicaragua itself, arresting its opposition, demonstrating its allegedly inherently totalitarian nature and thus increasing domestic dissent within the country.’ The aim was to destroy the Nicaraguan economy. In 1986 the World Court condemned the US for its ‘unlawful use of force’ and illegal economic warfare against Nicaragua. The US responded by vetoing a UN resolution calling on all governments to observe international law in 1986 [Noam Chomsky, ‘Western State Terrorism’,
According to the United States Commission on Human Rights, in a fifteen month period, more than 20,000 civilians in El Salvador were murdered by death squads related to or part of security forces trained by the United States and funded with $523 million in US ‘aid’ [Centre for International Policy Aid memo, Washington, April 1981. See New York Times, 1 April 1981]. In Central America in the 1980s, after Congress had denied its funding, the US knowingly consented to drugs funding the CIA ‘secret war’ against the Sandanistas. The Congressional hearings conducted by Senator John Kerry’s sub-committee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International relations found that, ‘on the basis of evidence, it is clear that the Contras knowingly received financial and material assistance from drug traffickers…In each case, one or another agency of the US government had information about the involvement…Indeed US policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras’ funding problems.’ Report by the Sub Committee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations of the Committee on Foreign Relations, US Senate, Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy, December
HOW THE WEST REPRESSES THE RIGHTS OF ITS OWN CITIZENS
Western propaganda seeks to justify a war against Iraq based on the latter’s repression of its own citizens. Yet when we look towards the Western world we also find citizens being repressed in a whole litany of issues related to life. This chapter categorically shows that the world is not enamoured with the US and its Capitalist way of life. It is also proposed that if the citizens of the US were not so beguiled by the Goebbels-esq diet of propaganda fed to them they too would have a similar attitude to their own government. There are many violations of basic rights that occur in the West, particularly in America, but yet the common people are unaware of them. The mantra of Washington DC and Trendy London has made the people blind to the inhumane activities occurring on their own doorstep. It is further suggested that if the American people were to snap out of their American dream, George W. Bush would not only be asking why do they hate us, but he would be asking why do our own subjects hate us?
Robbie Burns wrote, ‘I would that God gift would give us, to see ourselves as other see us’. Here, the Scottish bard articulated his view that it is a blessing to be able to see one’s own foibles and flaws. Most of us appreciate the importance of self-examination in the process of self-improvement. When fair and just self-examination is not present it leads to arrogance. For a nation not to see itself as the rest of the world sees it, this leads to the reinforcement of myths and inaccurate self-perceptions. When this occurs in a nation that is powerful, the net result is a state full of criticisms for others whist being oblivious of its own manifest problems. When this occurs in a ‘hyper power’, possessing WMD, it results in a troubled world soaked in human blood and teetering on the edge of annihilation.
This inability of the US to see itself as the rest of the world sees it, was illustrated when a woman ran to the microphone of a film crew, from the dust cloud in down town Manhattan in September 2001 and said simply, ‘why?’ Since then the phrase ‘why do they hate us?’ has been oft repeated. It is repeated in newsprint, television broadcasts and radio comment ad nauseam. As for those of us out with the milieu Americana the only thing we find surprising about the asking of the question ‘why?’ is that the US is so sincerely surprised that people hate them. We are only able to say this because we see the US as outsiders. Many of us, perhaps naively, thought there were ample indicators of the world’s sentiments regarding the US.
Thought control
We do intend to justify our assertion that the predicament of the average American is indeed dire. However before addressing this it is important to outline how the mindset of the average American has been moulded in a particular manner enabling them to accept this state of affairs. Both the Ba’athists and the US insist that their system is the envy of the world. Both the Ba’athists and the US insist that their citizens should be grateful that they are Iraqi and American, respectively. The techniques of propaganda have many parallels with those used by the Ba’athist regime.
This is exemplified in the comment that was printed in the US media over the last year. For example, The New York Observer’s columnist Richard Brookhiser [17 September 2001] described the US as: ‘…an empire of capitalism and democracy. New York City is also perceived as the hub of one of those subsystems, the roaring dynamo of wealth. Anyone in the world, who looks at his lot and is unhappy, looks at us — country and city — and sees an alternative. If he has an aspiring frame of mind, he may try to come here or imitate us. If he has an aggrieved frame of mind, he will hold us responsible. If he has the resources of a hostile nation, or its functional equivalent, he will try to kill us…The world's losers hate us because we are powerful, rich and good [or at least better than they are]. When those who acted on that hatred have been repaid, seven times seven, we will rebuild the World Trade Towers, with one more story, just to rub it in.’
This false notion that the world is envious of the US is a line that the US media and politicians spin continually. Military historian, Victor Davis Hanson wrote in City Journal [25 February 2002], ‘they hate us because their culture is backward and corrupt’ and because ‘they are envious of our power and prestige’. This maxim that the ‘world is jealous of us’ is obviously for the home market. This type of propaganda helps create a quiescence climate of contentment. Furthermore nobody outside the US is ignorant enough to believe this.
In the period following 11 September 2001 there were few printed words of dissent from this official US line. Anyone who did not express complete deference to this standpoint were marked men and women. The Guardian [17 January 2002] aptly summed up the point, ‘Within days of the deaths in New York and Washington, anyone, it seemed, who had ever been publicly critical of America or globalisation suddenly found themselves accused of complicity with Osama bin Laden - and worse. In the British press alone, they have been described as 'defeatist' and 'unpatriotic', 'nihilist' and 'masochistic’, and both 'Stalinist' and 'fascist'; as 'Baader Meinhof gang’, 'the hand - maidens of Osama’ and 'an auxiliary to dictators'; as 'limp', 'wobbly', 'heartless and stupid'; and 'worm eaten by Soviet propaganda'; as full of 'loose talk', 'wilful self-delusion' and 'intellectual decadence'; as a collection of 'useful idiots', 'dead-eyed zombies'; and 'people who hate people'‘
Returning back to the deferential style of the US media, there are thousands of examples that could be quoted to illustrate how the US has masqueraded herself as the force for good in the world, whilst actually being a pernicious force for death and destruction. However there is one particular example of jingoistic claptrap that really speaks volumes about the nature of the US government, people and media. Rich Lowry wrote a web article for National Review online – ‘America's premier conservative website’ – ‘Lots of sentiment for nuking Mecca’. In which he commented: ‘This is a tough one, and I don't know quite what to think. Mecca seems extreme, of course, but then again few people would die and it would send a signal. Religions have suffered such catastrophic setbacks before…And, as a general matter, the time for seriousness - including figuring out what we would do in retaliation, so maybe it can have a slight deterrent effect - is now rather than after thousands and thousands more American casualties’ [R. Lowry, ‘Lots of Sentiment for Nuking Mecca’, National Review online, www.nationalreview.com/thecorner].
"So obey not the deniers. They wish that you should compromise with them, so they (too) would compromise with you.” [TMQ Al-Qalam: 8-9]
“The believers, men and women, are Awliya (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin the good and forbid the evil.” [TMQ At-Taubah: 71]
and Allah(swt) also says "the jews & the cristians will never be pleased with you untill they take you away from your way of life" TMQ
A big alim this what i used to hear when i was child listen to that mullah listen to this mullah he has 10 foot beard and big turban so he must be right!
My man hamza yusuf compromised big time calling for jihad against muslims while making sorry excuses for Dubya Bush aswell as calling non muslims shaheed if thats not compromising islam what the hell is
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*we have respect for all the ulema who carry the dawah to establish khilafah *
how about alims who dont talk about khilafah 24/7? looks liek u dunn have much respect fro humza yusuf
** and ALm like ourselves want khilafah rashidun so respect to the brothers for fufilling the obligation to establish khilafah **
If you have same goals why did al mmohajiroun split up? and btw if u have respect for them then u probably agree with what they say and do? right?
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Hamza Yusuf as many have mentioned is a sellout who compromised Islam, but at the end of the day allah swt is the judge i am a mere muslim, as i mentioned alm have a different method, do you know how the method of Ht and alm differ ? as for agreeing with what they say, if they want Khilafah rashidun to be established in the muslim lands then yes,
Kosser - TWO posts that r too boring to read and ONE post that clinches the heart of the matter - ALL directed to the attention of petite, insignificant li'l moi. Aww. Too chweet.
Go back and read what I wrote before yr harangue dearie. The subject matter is Bush's Ramadan greeting to the Muslim world, nawt US "barbarism" thruout centuries.
Let's make it simple, shall we?
When someone says "Hello" to u, do u stand and give him/her a lecture on his/her family, upbringing, ytd misdemeanor charges, punk hairstyle, scruffy shoes, obesity issues, CD collection, and bad breath? Or d u say "Hello" back?
Human enough to understand that any one who supports Bush's speach is living the so called American dream, and if you don't like reading facts about who you are supporting then what does that say about your posts?
And btw, I did read those superfluously verbose posts of yours. yawn. Interesting collection of a few cut/paste facts. There is much more that can be added on there. Still, all that doesn't change or affect Bush's Ramadan message one whit.
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WHERE in my posts did u read the sentence "I do or do not support Bush"? Jeez u r a dimwit.
If u can't read english, I can't help it. Sorry.
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Ana said:
""President George W. Bush has made a statement that reaches out and touches the hearts of the global muslim community.
But he has done it.
It speaks volumes about the humility of our religion, and the power of Islam - that it can make a strong man comes to his knees.
It speaks volumes of the humbleness that this man - George W. Bush - for ONE second in his life - willingly and unconditionally shares with a world of people he knows nothing about.
LEARN, my friends, from the essence of humility this message conveys. Learn from a man who is hated throughout the modern world, and perhaps even the universe, how to spread peace, tolerance, and goodwill throughout mankind""
it's ok to regret what you have said, because him & his dad have killed millions of Muslims!!
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I don't at all "regret" what I said. Read it again dumbo.
Bush's killing of Muslims, Hindus or whoever has nothing to do with his greetings for Ramadan.
READ and UNDERSTAND. I'm not gonna say it again.
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Just a point, You have shown great animosity towards another Muslim in your posts like, “Jeez ur a dimwit” & “Dumbo”. Especially during the blessed month of Ramadan. Muslims should discuss & behave in an Islamic manner when discussing, and I sincerely advise you of this.
Point 2. Yes Bush’s history of killing Muslims should influence the way in which we take his so called Ramadan message. If a man is intent on eradicating Islam (and has a proven track record) from the planet in the name of the American dream, then yes we should not take to heart his speech, rather we should know that it is mere Rhetoric to illusion the Muslims that he cares. just as a known liar we don’t take his word do we.
Are you sure he's not trying to destroy Islam and wipe out any evidence of its existance to further the evil capitalst ways of the dajjalic state of America?
My bad, Kosser. I realized that after I posted - the animosity that is. Sorry.
Re his previous or current track record, no I don't think it should influence in any way his Ramadan message, rhetoric or not. As I said b4, it is up to us how to define and interpret it, he was under no compulsion to put it out there if he truly was intent on eradicating Islam so much.
Look, he may have some serious greivances against Islam.. so, who doesn't? But he is a politician, he can't afford to alienate his party constituents, who include muslims. This eradicate Islam argument is all BS. Dilute Islam, liberalize it, westernize it, commencialize it - yes, plausible argument there. Eradicate, no. That's too harsh a word, and not even a remote likelihood. In the world of politics that is not the way things r done. Far from it.
And even if he is out to adulterate Islam, so what? Lots of Muslims are doing it already, with or without western encouragement. Have been doing it for decades in fact. Can't blame the west or east or whatever for our own ills. We reap what we sow. Muslims have got to stop blaming others and start doing some real serious introspection. It's about time, dontcha think? The impression that the world has about us and our religion, comes mainly from us... we Muslims * have given this impression to everyone, that's the only reason why they have it. That's the only reason, if anyone harbors hate towards us, why they do.
No sane human being will have cause to harm or think bad of another unless u give them a *reason do to so. Politicians may seem demented and always out for their own benefits, but they're not really.
There's always an underlying reason for it. In the case of the US, this country perceives Muslims as a very real threat. I recall two tall towering reasons for that impression in recent history. Can't blame them. Besides, which of our wonderful Islamic nations has any sort of great track record in any area to do with human or animal or plant welfare? None. Why shoud anyone repect us, when we don't give them cause to respect us? Just coz we're Muslim? Nonsense. We r in no way superior to anyone else on this planet. We don't play fair either, it's not just the west that doesn't.
So whose fault is it? Ours. Say it with me now - I must fix myself instead of blaming others for my faults. kya samjhey?
