I was asked by a friend once as to why non-muslims are not allowed preach in muslim countries. Atleast in Afghanistan, we have seen instances of people accused of preaching christianity kidnapped, killed or face death threat. Atleast one poster here thinks that Islamic Sharia makes punishable by death. What are the references in Quran that say this? If non-muslims can be killed for preaching in Islamic state, then it would be ok if non-muslim states start imprisoning and executing muslim for Tableegh. Without Tableegh, how will the message of Islam be able to reach non-muslims (Other than fighting war and subjugation)?
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Christians don't allow preaching other religions in their christian countries either.
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Christians don't allow preaching other religions in their christian countries either.
Which countries? Tableeghis are quite active in US and UK, for instance. Anyways, what I am looking for are the references in Quran that makes preaching by non-muslims punishable by death.
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I was asked by a friend once as to why non-muslims are not allowed preach in muslim countries. Atleast in Afghanistan, we have seen instances of people accused of preaching christianity kidnapped, killed or face death threat. Atleast one poster here thinks that Islamic Sharia makes punishable by death. What are the references in Quran that say this? If non-muslims can be killed for preaching in Islamic state, then it would be ok if non-muslim states start imprisoning and executing muslim for Tableegh. Without Tableegh, how will the message of Islam be able to reach non-muslims (Other than fighting war and subjugation)?
Some govts. don't impose these restrictions. E.g. Pakistan has never had a restriction on this. Sialkot is a living example. All the converts made to Christianity in Sialkot will probably outnumber those anywhere else in Pakistan.
Jehova's witnesses roam free in our cities.
As far as countries such as Saudi Arabia or other middle east countries are concerned, they do impose the restriction.
I don't know of a Quranic injunction to do this nor am I aware of any such hadith. That does not mean it is not out there. I just don't know.
We need to ask a scholar about this.
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You can read the posts on the thread on kidnapping. I will quote just one:
Q: "Why is preaching of Christianity punishable by imprisonment, kidnapping and death in Afghanistan? So, if the rest of the world start putting all Tableeghis to imprisonment and death penalty, that will be ok?"
A: "Its not punishable in Afghanisan, its punishable in the Sharia.
If Tableghis go against the law, then they will be dealth with accordingly."
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Which countries? Tableeghis are quite active in US and UK, for instance. Anyways, what I am looking for are the references in Quran that makes preaching by non-muslims punishable by death.
Just a clarification here. If by Tableeghis, you mean Tableeghi Jamaat (from famous Rai Wind) then they keep there work with in muslim community, i.e. their focus is to bring existing muslims back to mosques and closer to faith.
Also, US and UK are not officially christian countires. Just that majority of population is christian.
Another very important thing is this that Talibans are not the true representer of Islam. Each and every act of their's is not according to Shariah. Many of their customs came from their own culture which may or may not be in sync with Islamic teaching.
Its just western media hype when they put Taliban's picture to show a fundamentalist muslim. Its like putting KKK member face on a poster which says "TRUE CHRISTIAN"
Fundamentalist muslims are elders of mine and your family. Look at your grand father and grand mother. They pray 5 times, they fast in Ramadhan, they recite quran in the morning and they love their family. That is what true muslim is
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Also, US and UK are not officially christian countires. Just that majority of population is christian.
UK is not officially a christian country?
since when?
Uk is comprised of england, scotland, wales, norther ireland, etc
are you tellign me non of these places have an offical church?
please double check.
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UK is not officially a christian country? since when? Uk is comprised of england, scotland, wales, norther ireland, etc are you tellign me non of these places have an offical church?
please double check.
I know that UK is more of a protestent country.... I am not aware that if Chrisitianity is sanctioned as official religion of the country too in its constitution. Is that true?
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I believe the UK and US are secular with no official religion.
Where as Pakistan and many other muslim countries do have Islam as the official religion.
This is probably why in the US and other such countries we can freely preach islam.
I and many like me do that at an organized level.
Most islamic centers have outreach committees like ours does. And we have booths at majors event, we have open houses, we go door to door and invite people to learn about islam and tell them freely without any restriction. The USCIS has a special visa category called "R" and it is specifically for religious workers.
This is all bonafide info not b.s. You can check it out.
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I just double checked. Yes it is still not officially a christian country 
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Just a clarification here. If by Tableeghis, you mean Tableeghi Jamaat (from famous Rai Wind) then they keep there work with in muslim community, i.e. their focus is to bring existing muslims back to mosques and closer to faith.
Also, US and UK are not officially christian countires. Just that majority of population is christian.
Another very important thing is this that Talibans are not the true representer of Islam. Each and every act of their's is not according to Shariah. Many of their customs came from their own culture which may or may not be in sync with Islamic teaching.
Its just western media hype when they put Taliban's picture to show a fundamentalist muslim. Its like putting KKK member face on a poster which says "TRUE CHRISTIAN"
Fundamentalist muslims are elders of mine and your family. Look at your grand father and grand mother. They pray 5 times, they fast in Ramadhan, they recite quran in the morning and they love their family. That is what true muslim is
I was not aware that anything in Quran made preaching by non-muslims (not just Christians) punishable by death. I am not debating who is true muslim or how correct Taliban are in their interpretation of Sharia. Non-muslims are not allowed to preach in Afghanistan and KSA. Clearly some school of thought beleives Sharia is that way. I want to know the basis of that.
BTW as AA points out Tableeghis preaching is not limited to muslims only. Clearly, the person I quoted thinks it would be acceptable if folks from Tableeghi Jamaat are imprisoned and murdered for preaching Islam in non-muslim countries.
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I was not aware that anything in Quran made preaching by non-muslims (not just Christians) punishable by death. .
Actually I am also not aware of this. I know that MURTID, in islamic state, if not revert to Islam with in 3 days is punishable by death. Clearly, one of the ways a person becomes Murtid is by a preaching of non-muslim. I never heard that a converted and convertee, both are punishable to death
Also, as of my understanding, Islamic punishments for most of the part are applicable on Existing Muslims. Non-mulims (according to Islamic Shariah) are not bound by Islamic laws.
Above mentoined is exactly the reason why a non muslim pays "Khiraj" if he wants to live in Islamic state and then he can practice his religion with freedom. If preeching is part of his faith and he does that in Islamic country then should'nt that be OK?
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UK today is a secular country.
I did nto say UK, i said England.
what do you think the role of teh church of england is ? whether you have a state religion or an state official church the difference is rather minimal.
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Fraudia, you said UK cause I also said UK. Go back and check your post.
OK, ok… there is no need to aplogize. Koi baat nahi, waisy ziyaada bolnay ka yehi natija hota hai:hoonh:
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None of the predominantly Christian countries are theocratic states. They are secular, which means they do not grant or revoke privileges based on a religious identity. It makes sense if the population of a country is multicultural, multiethnic and multi-religious as well. Though if western countries tomorrow for some reason declared that preaching religions other than Christianity in their countries publicly would be unlawful then we cannot and should not argue against that in areas where the muslim population is negligible. However to revoke right of worship and belief would be unfair and unjust. Islam does not prohibit non-muslims from keeping their right of worship and belief in their respective Churches or places of worship. What Islam prohibits is openly preaching other religions in pre-dominantly muslim areas in my opinion. A wise person should realize if the population composition for certain city say for example is 40% muslim, 30% Christian and 30% other religions then you cannot ban public preaching of a religion otherwise you are inviting public discord and agony. In places like those, the setup should be to accomodate all religions as fair as possible and allow people to be judged by their own belief system unless they believe that they cannot co-exist with other religionists. In my opinion laws should be setup for such a group of people to prevent them from destroying the peace.
Islamic principles are stagnant not its application.
As for apostates, I have said many times before and this is my opinion and no one has to agree with it. Apostacy is not punishable by death. Capital punishment depends on the circumstances and reasons for the apostacy. If a person is apostasizing to go join forces with your enemy who are about to attack you or harbor ill-intentions against a muslim republic then you treat such a person as treasonous. My opinion is if a muslim apostasizes and wants to get out of your way then let him be. Peacefully try to persuade him and convince him. Try to address his greviences which caused him to apostasize. Apostates are not all in one category. There are some who are not convinced with the religion and its beliefs or practices, which is why they apostasize. Such peopel usually have some bad experience in the past which contributes to their actions. Then there are those who apostasize in the role of spy’s. Such people only declare themselves muslims to spy on muslims and when the time is right apostasize and switch sides. These are the people which are dealt with sternly and called traitors. We also call them hypocrates. Even hypocrisy is different categories. Some people are hypocritical in their actions yet they are still true to the cause of muslims but some are hypocritical in their allegience to the muslim cause, these people are a serious threat and they are usually in for their own benefit and will run to where the sun shines.
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Thanks for the reply. Is your opinion based on something in Quran? or is it purely on your own logic?
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Correct me if i am wrong........................................................I was told that you can not become a US president, until and unless you are christian.......what does that make US.......secular or a christian country??????
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Correct me if i am wrong........................................................I was told that you can not become a US president, until and unless you are christian.......what does that make US.......secular or a christian country??????
Actually no, its not right. This is the requirement
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Clause 5:**
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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UK is 80%+ english, the very reason I explained what Uk was comprised off…and then the issue of church of england arises…not to forget about the church of scotland (dont reall if their is a mosque of england) or a jaamat khana of wales or imam bargah of scotland
nateeja saaf zahir hai 