One of my friend lost a Taawiz yesterday and was so worried that he was calling Pakistan to get advice. He found it later but from his state of mind I was confused that such thing can effect our lives. Is it psycological?
To me its just a piece of paper on which we write Holy Quranic verses. I read it somewhere that its just like putting a prescription from a doctor on sleeves or around our necks and dont follow it. I dont think Quran is such a secret to put in a closed thing. Its something to follow or get advice from. I dont think in many other muslim countries this thing is followed.
i dont believe in it...i'll have teh back up references later in the day, Inshallah.....(sorry) ....its all biddah.
Putting Qur'anic verses is not bid^ah! everything to you is bid^ah?! just because you don't know where it came from and how, and just because you don't know about it doesn't make it bid^ah! Muslims do that everywhere, in Egupt, Libia, India, Pakistan, Lebanon syria...
To put Qur'anic verses with you insh'allah will be barakah by the will of Allah. where did it come from? the Sahabah used to do that to their children! The Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam does not oppose that nor does the Qur'an. To this extent!? Only wahaby people say that, only them and tell me about it!. Subhanallah. Soon, some will say Qur'an is useless, it's just text as any other text, reading it is not beneficial!! by that one would be complying with the Jews!.
Sahabah also used to wash the hairs of the Prophet and by that water, they used to wash their children. Some until now, have got some of the hairs of the Prophet and they make tabarruk with it. I have seen it myself and some thousands of people making tabarruk in an Islamic institute.
Qur'an is a book yes, but it pertains the speech of ALlah that must be respected. Prophet Muhammad is a human being and created from flesh and bones just like us, but he is the best of all creations, he has the highest status in existence, we must resepect him to the utmost effort.
Subhanallah, I'm very surprised and shocked by some the buddies here, everything: Bid^ah Bid^ah, why because Prophet Muhammad did not do it! But does it oppose what Prophet Muhammad said? no. On that case, why is writing (S) or (SAW) infront of the name of the Prophet not Bid^ah?! why would you write a king or a president the best of words? would you say the "P" about the president?! is it not bid^ah to read al Qur'an with the dots above the letters which never existed on the time of the Prophet?! is it not a bid^ah according to some people's assumption, to have a Mihrab?! or to pray taraweeh in a group?! these were not done at time of the Prophet is it Kufur to do them? is it wrong? Let them go ahead and remove all of the dots from al Qur'an, and let them read it if they can!!. All of these are good innovations, they comply with the religion. Unless they opposed it, Muslims would not do them. Even wahhabies do these things, isn't that contradiction?!!..
Subhanallah. Go and learn from the true scholars, that's how you'll find who's croocked and who's not. And who's right and wrong. Opinion is different from relidious contexts.
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Ahmed G: Jazakallah for your post.
Could you tell me the purpose of a Taweez? From my understanding, the only way we can be protected is by the will of Allah. Would we wear a taweez to protect us? If so, then protect us from what?
Allah knows what is in our hearts. If he wants to protect us then what should it matter if we have a taweez or not?
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107. Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.
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45. Allah has full knowledge of your enemies, and Allah is Sufficient as a Wali (Protector), and Allah is Sufficient as a Helper.
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196. "Verily, my Wali (Protector, Supporter, and Helper, etc.) is Allah Who has revealed the Book (the Qur'an), and He protects (supports and helps) the righteous.
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197. "And those whom you call upon besides Him (Allah) cannot help you nor can they help themselves." **
If you read the above ayats and think of them in context of a Taweez, it is difficult to justify having a Taweez.
I'm glad that you are asking. And hope that the previous posts and questions you asked have fulfilled the need, and resolved the confusions.
For taweez, it is putting Qur'anic verses on you or with you. It must only contain Islamic verses for blessings, not to hurt someone or so becasue some socery is done by using al Qur'an and it works with them, but it's fobiden to do that. But putting Qur'anic verses for the sake of blessings and Barakah, it is good and Insh'allah, the person would receive the barakah of course by the will of Allah. NOTHING happens except with the will of Allah. Every single thing happens by the will of Allah, but Allah made the changes in the Assbab (Cause). For example, you take your medicine to get cured, and you may get cured and you may not, but that is only by the will of Allah. But Allah, if he willed, makes your cure in the medicine or so.. But the final belief is that Allah creates and wills for everything, nothing happens execpt by the will of Allah.
So how is Qur'an beneficial and helful to us? I would say good question. First of all, by paying respect to Al Qur'an you gain thawab, reward. By holding it and looking at it you also get reward. to recite it, every letter you get 10 deeds. Such:Ãáã evey letter is 10 deeds as the Prophet said.
How does it protect one? Even though it's text? It protects from the evil. It protects from the Jinn, the devils fear Al Qur'an. If you recite, they flee. And just by putting the Qur'an with you, they fear. They know contains the words of Allah by which he orders and fobids.
Allah said in Al Qur'an that: {In it (the Holy Qur'an) has cures for people}.
But the difference or change that would happen is by Allah and only Allah, but Allah made the change in the cause which in this case it's Al Qur'an. Same as du^a', when we make Du^a', we make it becaue it's ^Ibadah, and just making d^ua' you get reward. But just because one made du^a', doesn't mean that Allah will change his well and answer one's du^a'! no. Allah does not change. Change is from the signs of the creations and Allah does not resmeble any of his creations.
By making du^a', Allah knew eternaly that a person will make du^a', and Allah willed eternally for that du^a' to be accepted. The du^a' is not what made the difference, but it was where the difference occured by.
So, Al Qur'an is blessings and help and protection to you by the will of Allah.
I remember reading that when some magicians tried to cast a spell of black magic on the Prophet (Peace be Upon Him), he used to recite Sura-e-Falq and Sura-e-Naas a lot.
Many ppl consider this an example of how Allah's word can help you against mushkilaat.
I agree with Recitation, but putting the words of Allah on paper and tying them around your neck or sticking them up on your wall.. how will that help you?
Allah doesn't need us.. we need him, this is why we pray to him and why we worship him. Then how is putting a taweez around your neck worshipping him? If you are a true believer then it doesn't matter whether you have a taweez or not, as Allah will protect you inshallah.
I think it is all Superstition"
No, it's not superstition.. It's done by some of the Sahabah.
How could the words of Allah on paper help? The fastest answer I could give you, is that Jinn fears Al Qur'an. They are afraid of it, of the acutal contents of it. So if you read it they flee, or if they see the words of Allah, they will also fear. It's by the will of Allah not the paper.
It's not a must to do it, nor is it forbiden to, but it's permissible with the having the right belief.
Lets call it a truce in this way.
Those who don't belive in Taweez or other such things, feel free to stay away from them.
Those who do believe that Taweez will do them some good, are entitled to their opinion and are free to practice it.
Based on responses by Ahmad G, one might say that either way, there would be no gunah, provided the rest of the beliefs of that person are correct.
Right on. Simple and brief.
ahmad bro,
taweez…think for a moment…you have something written…a quranic verse …inside a cloth …tied around your neck/arm…
do you leave the quran on the floor and walk around? do you take teh quran in the bathroom while you perform personal hygiene? I SURE HOPE NOT!!!
And if you dont do THAT, how can you take PART of the QURAN and go in the bathroom, or laydown and etc?
THe QURAN IS a Guide for life…IF ALLAH REPEATEDLY SAYS (in the Quran)that he is THE PROTECTOR, dont you think he would have said, “LET THIS BOOK THAT I AM GIVING YOUR UMMAH PROTECT THEM FROM ANY HARM”…dont you think??? I DONT SEE SUCH AYAH IN TEH QURAN ANYWHERE!!!
biddah is anything that the PROPHET DID NOT PERFORM and is practised today!!!..
dont you think :
THE PROPHET WOULD HAVE ASKED THE MEN TO WEAR TAWEEZ DURING JANG-E-UHAD, JANG-E-BADR TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE ENEMY???
NO, THIS WAS NOT PRACTISED IN THE TIMES OF TEH PROPHET,THEREFORE PRACTISING IT TODAY WOULD MAKE IT BIDDAH!!!
CAN MAKE I IT MORE SIMPLE??
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for all the taveez defenders. u know that its not just Quran in the taveez either. this molvi saab drew some numbers and words that didnt look like arabic from any angle and they were prescribed for a friend so he could do well in exams. yeah well it didnt work.
wont u agree that atleast that is unislamic though? like x_com said read the Quran and understand it for your protection from evil and not a piece of paper that u get from a molvi in return for some halwa and money. most of these fellows dont even understand whats written on a taveez and what its purpose is. any joe shmuck could write poetry and these fellows will take it for granted. dont know what to call it but plain old IGNORANCE.
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**Subhanallah, I'm very surprised and shocked by some the buddies here, everything: Bid^ah Bid^ah, why? because Prophet Muhammad did not do it! But does it oppose what Prophet Muhammad said? no. On that case, why is writing (S) or (SAW) infront of the name of the Prophet not Bid^ah?! why would you write a king or a president the best of words? would you say the "P" about the president?! I need an answer.
Is it not bid^ah to read al Qur'an with the dots above the letters which never existed on the time of the Prophet?! is it not a bid^ah according to some people's assumption, to have a Mihrab?! or to pray taraweeh in a group?! these were not done at time of the Prophet is it Kufur to do them? is it wrong? Let them go ahead and remove all of the dots from al Qur'an, and let them read it if they can!!. All of these are good innovations, they comply with the religion. Unless they opposed it, Muslims would not do them. Even wahhabies do these things, isn't that contradiction?!!..
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Can someone please answer these questions?
And we all know that reading Al Fatiha and surat Yasseen on the dead Muslims is recomended, why? because Prophet Muhammad taught us to do so. ok, how could that recitation benefit the dead Muslim and the reciter and why would it be possible fo that same holy book to protect the one who caries it from the devils? We said, devils fear the Qur'an the existance of it. We are not talking about the paper nor the ink! We are talking about the eternal speech of Allah, that's what they fear.
For whoever says about anything that it's bid^ah or haram or halal, let him bring the proof, not an ayah that he interprets the way he wants, but the scholar who intereperted it that way. Insha'llah that will resolve any argument.
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Originally posted by mundyaa:
*wont u agree that atleast that is unislamic though? like x_com said read the Quran and understand it for your protection from evil and not a piece of paper that u get from a molvi in return for some halwa and money. most of these fellows dont even understand whats written on a taveez and what its purpose is. any joe shmuck could write poetry and these fellows will take it for granted. dont know what to call it but plain old IGNORANCE. *
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Ok, we don't disagree with that at all. I'm with you on that. But knowing that you have a qur'anic verse on paper or putting it on your wall seeking the reward from Allah by doing that and by showing your love and trust in AL Qur'an, that should be accepted.
If you don't understand it, you don't have to do it, no one has to do it at the first place. There are Sahabah that did such things.
take a GOOD look at this:
"Allah's are the fairest names. Invoke Him by them. And leave the company of those who blaspheme His names. They will be requited what they do."(Al-Araaf 180)
So when teh prophet was sick and Ayesha (RA) used to recite surahs and pray for the prophet, why didnt they just put a taweez around his arm or neck?
O mankind! there hath come to you a direction from your Lord and a healing for the (diseases) in your hearts,- and for those who believe, a guidance and a Mercy. (Younus 57)
Honey (shahad) is supposed to hold 'shif'a' in it..why dont we tie a bottle of shahad aruond our waists? The Quran is a healer itself--you can kiss it, touch it to your eyes, wrap it around in wax paper, thread it, put it around your neck/arm--but not follow the actual meaning of the book itself...how is that RIGHT?
Hanging Quran off yourself is not sunnah, sunnah is practicing the ayah's in the Quran.
NOw, if you still want to enforce on using taweez, please ask them to create taweezes which will destroy all hatred, poverty, sickness. One that will help the country get out of debt, help Islam become teh one and most powerful religion, give the kashmiris some peace, regain all the hostage taken mosques from the jews.....
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Originally posted by X_Communist:
*NOw, if you still want to enforce on using taweez, please ask them to create taweezes which will destroy all hatred, poverty, sickness. One that will help the country get out of debt, help Islam become teh one and most powerful religion, give the kashmiris some peace, regain all the hostage taken mosques from the jews.....
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How could that happen when you have people falsifying the Sahabah! How do you excpect the mercy when some don't perform their obligations! How do you excpect life to ease when there are people who are from sincerety and love for the Prophet, rather they show HATE!! Allahu Akbar. I'm not directing anything to you Alhamdulillah, I'm sure you have a good intention.
Now you put the verses and you take from it what you want.
Tell me what is wrong with just having an Islamic verse on the wall? All muslims do that.
What is wrong with putting a hijab, or Qur'anic verses with you? Knowing that we did that because Sahabah used to do that for their children, didn't these sahabah read the verses you mentioned?! They did, but did they interpret the verse the way you are understanding it? no. Did they believe that the papere or the ink are going to bring you good? no. They believed that by the will of Allah and only, insha'Allah for the love of the Qur'an and respect, and for the holiness of it, Allah will protect you from the devils.
Why do we recite from AL Qur'an to be protected from Jinn? and how do scholars remove Jinn from people by Qur'an? Because of it's holiness. No surprise, Allah is able to do anything he wills.
One don't have to wear it. I don't have one. But I don't go falsifying those who wear it!
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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
** How could that happen when you have people falsifying the Sahabah! How do you excpect the mercy when some don't perform their obligations! **
Ahmad, no intentions toward you either, but people who commit sins (major or minor) also wear taaweez around their necks. They dont offer salaat all the time. Why do they deserve to be protected then? Isnt that falsifying the sahaba-moreover the PROPHET-moreover ALLAH???
What is wrong with putting a hijab, or Qur'anic verses with you? Knowing that we did that because Sahabah used to do that for their children, didn't these sahabah read the verses you mentioned?! They did, but did they interpret the verse the way you are understanding it? no. Did they believe that the papere or the ink are going to bring you good? no.
well buddy, i think you solved your problem RIGHT HERE!
They believed that by the will of Allah and only, insha'Allah for the love of the Qur'an and respect, and for the holiness of it, Allah will protect you from the devils.
AND HERE!!!
One don't have to wear it. I don't have one. But I don't go falsifying those who wear it!
Knowing that we did that because Sahabah used to do that for their children, didn't these sahabah read the verses you mentioned?! They did, but did they interpret the verse the way you are understanding it? no.
The Quran is for anyone who wishes to SEEK. NOT JUST THE SAHABAS! IF it was different for the SAHABAS, Allah would not have made it the HOLY BOOK for the ummah of the PROPHET!!!!
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so then, if we followed all the ayahs of the quran, it is wrong to perform taweez gunda.
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Than Follow Sahabah! Just follow what they said about the meanings of Al Qur'an.
The End.
im sorry but is that you trying to end the debate ??? im still not convinced though.....