Swaaraa

ARyan Brit Chick sounds so much more sane than you. Yet the history of this custom does not justify the distorted version that is being practised nowadays. Brit Chick is clearly condemning the currently practised version unlike you who seems all gungho about it even though its a highly uncultured part of your culture.

There was an instance in some place of punjab where to settle some family fueds young girls were married off to elderly men. No punjabi at this site ever spoke in favour of it, and saw it as it was...a cultural vice. Unfortunately the men in the documentary showed no remorse over having taken or handed over a girl without marraige. And then there are people like you who do not have the courage to accept what is worng and inhumane all in the name of culture and traditions. Yet I am sure there must be many other sane people from the NWFP areas out there who would have no qualms condemning such a practise.

Swara:Women as property
Author:M.Ali Babakhel

Aurat Foundation, T/229 & 230, Khyber Colony 2, Tehkal Payan, Peshawar

The Pakhtoon culture is mainly governed by a code of honour known as Pakhtoonwali. The non-observance of such a customary law is considered disgraceful leading to grave consequences for the violator. badal (revenge) has become part of Pakhtoon law. It can only be avoided through compromise or reconciliation. More often than not this is achieved through swara.

Swara is a traditional practice common in Pakhtoon tribal society where women are treated as the property of men. In traditional terminology it refers to a girl handed over to the aggrieved family as compensation for the killing of a man, the abduction of a girl or for ending any other dispute. The girl should be a near relative (daughter, sister, etc.) of the offender.

In Pakhtoon tribal society, marriage is arranged by paying a price to the bride's family, which is called wulwar, but in the case of swara, the family giving away their woman loses all right to that amount. There is no wedding ceremony for the swara. A swara is denied the right to dowry or Mehr. More agonizing is the fact that such ill-fated individuals cannot even dissolve their marriage.

The worst aspect of the swara tradition is that killers and even those who have played with someone's honour go scot-free. The culprits, who are afraid to face accountability for their misdeeds, seek shelter behind their sisters or daughters.

The book also examines the history of this primitive tradition. In the days of the jahillya, Arabs used to capture the women of the vanquished enemy after a battle. The practice, which was called sabbaiya, was later banned by our Holy Prophet (PBUH). According to the teachings of Islam, the consent of both the man and the woman is obligatory before tying the knot. According to the Islamic matrimonial law, parents or guardians cannot force their choice on their daughters or sisters.

The practice of swara is directly opposed to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the Convention of the Elimination of all Forms of Discrimination against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Children (1989). The National Commission on the Status of Women, in a recent three-day consultation (Feb 12-14, Peshawar), has demanded of the government to declare swara and vanni practices as penal offences. The Law and Justice Commission has also taken serious notice of the increasing incidents of vanni and swara. It has proposed necessary amendments in the law to dissolve such marriages.

But despite opposition by a few, this maligned tradition is still a big part of the Pakhtoon culture. Mohammad Ali Khan Babakhel, a police superintendent, is one of those enlightened Pakhtoons who have become vocal against such lamentable traditions. His book, Swara - Women as Property, makes a strong case against this degrading practice.

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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *

Language Please - Why speak like a child? Boy You ahev crossed the line, just reread and consider what you've written in your post.

See again i am being polite to some of you guys here, but it's some stupid fellaws here who have no respect for themselves, let alone mine.

** If you have eyes then read Brit Chick's post, which traces it's origin**
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What Brit Chick said about its origins doesn’t sound very convincing.

I wasn’t talking about just Pathans I was referring to all tribal/jaahil types of people from anywhere in Pakistan, they all act all pious but act worse than Hindus, like the thing in Punjab where a girl was marched naked through the streets or karo kaari in Sindh, it happens all over Pakistan and should be condemned.

These things happen in us as well, I know a woman who chopped her daughter up into little pieces with an axe and then buried her in the yard and made a raised platform over her grave for namaaz so it doesn’t get dig up only because her daughter wanted to marry someone she loved instead of her cousin.

These are outdated practices, no wonder we’re not making any progress, get rid of Paki culture and tradition, it’s all pretty crap, just live by Islam.

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*Originally posted by Naadir: *

like the thing in Punjab where a girl was marched naked through the streets or karo kaari in Sindh, it happens all over Pakistan and should be condemned.

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Have you EVER heard of such incident in our society?

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*Originally posted by Brit Chick: *
The origins of such a custom can be traced back to the birth of the Islamic period amongst the Arabs. This custom was introduced by the Prophet (pbuh) to bring peace between warring factions amongst the Arab tribes. This example was also set by the Prophet (pbuh) himself when he married from a revile tribe. In one case the entire tribe had accepted Islam because of such a marriage.

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Whatever the origins and however noble they were back then, in this day and age there isn't any justification for it. We have maulvis on GS who screamed till they were blue in the face when we had a banner associated to Basant and with this sort of stuff still going on you would think they would get their priorities sorted out.

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I suggest you pick up a history book sometime and read up on the Durrand Line.
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Wake up love NWFP is part of Pakistan to stay, digging up stuff on the durrand line wont make Afghanistan’s dream come true, Pakhtuns don’t have anything to do with you lot.

The Pakhtuns in Pakistan are not Afghan they are Pakistani Pakhtuns, Afghans are the people of Afghanistan the Baluchis, Nuristanis, Mughals, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Farsiwan and Pashtuns etc.

It is true that the term Afghan was first used for only Pashtuns/Pakhtuns but that is not the case anymore.

Afghans are different from Pashtuns in many ways you lot speak Dari mostly and have different customs, only 35% of people in Afghanistan speak Pashto.

Nadir have you actually been to afghanistan? I think you'd find that the majority of pashtuns there speak pashto.

What evidence have you got that this was introduced by the Prophet :saw: and was not already an established part of the Arab society.

Most of his wives (8 I think) were from the Quraysh anyway.

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*Originally posted by Naadir: *

Wake up love NWFP is part of Pakistan to stay, digging up stuff on the durrand line wont make Afghanistan’s dream come true, Pakhtuns don’t have anything to do with you lot.

The Pakhtuns in Pakistan are not Afghan they are Pakistani Pakhtuns, Afghans are the people of Afghanistan the Baluchis, Nuristanis, Mughals, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Farsiwan and Pashtuns etc.

It is true that the term Afghan was first used for only Pashtuns/Pakhtuns but that is not the case anymore.

Afghans are different from Pashtuns in many ways you lot speak Dari mostly and have different customs, only 35% of people in Afghanistan speak Pashto.
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Sweetie, Wake up! We are in 21st century! Everything is changing so would the shape of Pakistan!

No force except Allah (Jalalahu) can split us!

Hey man, why difrenciate between Afghan and Pashtun? the whole world knows it is the second refered named for the Pashtuns then why speak fool? It is still used for us! Go to my land and ask anyone except for the Pashto speaking people if they want to be called Afghans! then you would get a clear vision of the truth, budy.

It is people like you who publish wrong info, they even said stuff about us, Afghans (Pashtuns) of Balkh, that we have adopted Persian culture there, but i myself come from there and i see nothing so Persian thing in my people. We all still speak Pashto and are proud to be Afghans.

And that data is wrong, the correct one is 62% of the total population is Afghan (Pashtun). Even in Northern Afghanistan us are the majority coz it is our land. :)

Cry out loud babez! Youse might have got the glimpse of what America is doing there. PREPARING THE WAY TO GET OUR LAND BACK! WooHoo!

If that is what the Pukhtoons of Pakistan want (I doubt) then who am I to say anything?

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Sweetie, Wake up! We are in 21st century! Everything is changing so would the shape of Pakistan!

No force except Allah (Jalalahu) can split us!

Hey man, why difrenciate between Afghan and Pashtun? the whole world knows it is the second refered named for the Pashtuns then why speak fool? It is still used for us! Go to my land and ask anyone except for the Pashto speaking people if they want to be called Afghans! then you would get a clear vision of the truth, budy.

It is people like you who publish wrong info, they even said stuff about us, Afghans (Pashtuns) of Balkh, that we have adopted Persian culture there, but i myself come from there and i see nothing so Persian thing in my people. We all still speak Pashto and are proud to be Afghans.

And that data is wrong, the correct one is 62% of the total population is Afghan (Pashtun). Even in Northern Afghanistan us are the majority coz it is our land.

Cry out loud babez! Youse might have got the glimpse of what America is doing there. PREPARING THE WAY TO GET OUR LAND BACK! WooHoo!
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...and please don't talk to me like I'm your bitch, I'm not the way you like them.

The Pakhtuns in Pakistan are not Afghan they are Pakistani Pakhtuns, Afghans are the people of Afghanistan the Baluchis, Nuristanis, Mughals, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Farsiwan and Pashtuns etc.

Does that have any thing to do with the majority of Pakistani thinking that they never had any thing to do with Hindu India, that Pakistan just suddenly appeared out of the blue?

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*Originally posted by Mr Xtreme: *
Whatever the origins and however noble they were back then, in this day and age there isn't any justification for it. We have maulvis on GS who screamed till they were blue in the face when we had a banner associated to Basant and with this sort of stuff still going on you would think they would get their priorities sorted out.
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What happened now? When all of this was happening in Afghanistan it was perfectly fine then.

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If that is what the Pukhtoons of Pakistan want (I doubt) then who am I to say anything?
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Yeah that is crystal obvious. You are not welcome to interfere in our internal issues.

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..and please don't talk to me like I'm your bitch, I'm not the way you like them.
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hey this is what you said in one of ur pervious post....

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Wake up love NWFP is part of Pakistan to stay
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what do you call this?

Don’t get your hopes high, I was referring to the chick not you,

Just out of curiosity, exactly which parts do you want? Just NWFP or Pashtun dominated areas of Baluchistan and Punjab too?

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Originally posted by Shah Sur Khan: *
*The Pakhtuns in Pakistan are not Afghan they are Pakistani Pakhtuns, Afghans are the people of Afghanistan the Baluchis, Nuristanis, Mughals, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Farsiwan and Pashtuns etc.

Does that have any thing to do with the majority of Pakistani thinking that they never had any thing to do with Hindu India, that Pakistan just suddenly appeared out of the blue?
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We don’t deny our commonness with Sikh Punjab or parts of UP, we are just the same, it’s other parts of India we don’t have much with, anyway everyone in SA/Ca was once Hindu even you.

There is nothing wrong with being Hindu although in Pakistan calling some one Hindu is worst then calling someone a mother f****r.

Now you don't deny your commonness with Sikh Punjab and most likely you wont deny commonness with the Hindu Punjab though you happily find a difference between Muslim Pakhtuns of Pakistan and Afghanistan who have the same forefathers, same culture, same traditions, same heritage, same heros, they all speak the same language although different dialects, who are you kidding?

There is a difference between an ethnic Afghan and national Afghan. All Pakhtuns are ethnic Afghan, if you don't believe me try looking up their Pakistnai birth certificates, it says ethnicity AFGHAN. A fact even the founders of Pakistan realized and dedicated the A after the P in Pakistan to AFGHANIA = Pakhtunkhwa = NWFP of today.

2nd largest majority of Pakistan are called NWFPwal :D

Ok so I was talking nonsense, lying. I don’t really feel as much apnapun with Sikhs as much as I do with Pathans, you guys probably do have everything in common with each other it just seems different to me, but tell me this tum loag Pakistan ke peechay kiyoun par gaey ho?

Why can’t we just get on with each other like thing are, why’s it so necessary for Pashtuns to be in one country? I’m for good relationships with Afghanistan and even open borders.

Back home just wouldn’t be the same without NWFP, the streets of Peshawar with their gun shops and chapli kebabs, Yasir Hameed and decent Pukhtoons (not like some of the ones on here). :(

We’ve lost Bengal, are we going to loose NWFP too?

It’s so much better with Pakistan’s different cultures, people and languages, everyone being the same is boring.

If NWFP is going what's the point in Pakistan, might as well go back to India.

You’ve put in a bad mood yaar, this 14th august wont be the same... :(

Don't know what you are talking about. I just wanted to clear a few things thats all.