I jus think it is so ironic, that a father and a brother will kill their own daughter n sister, if she likes some1 but when it comes to swera, all that honor and pride just dissipates into the most blunt form of beighairtee. I dont think, these people understand the concept of honor, pride, or even what a blessing a daughter and a sister is. How can these peopel sleep at night knowing they have not even sold, jus gave away their daughter in bheek. disgusting.
The only thing to solve this ****, is to castrate them, if there is no manhood, then there will be no misplaced sense of pride and honour, and if ideally they are in pain, then they won't be allowed to think long enough to make freaked up decisions taht ruin other poeples lives.
Shpunky, you have any non-male relatives?
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man why do you have to be like this all the time? ...it's my culture not yours...and at least have respect for other cultures...
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Respect? Are you serious? What does this shameful custom have to do with culture?
Disgusting!
I am not Pro-Swara but i am ashamedd at how you guys view other cultures. You know what, you guys should go and modernise your own country and then advice us on what to change. For the moment we love the way we are, but IF we get any opportunity we will definately bring changes into our culture.
@ NeSCio
Language Please.
How would you fell if i call you Punjabis Beasts? NOt happy nor sad but mad you would feel, and that is how i am feeling right now. But to you i would only say, GET A LIFE!
PS. It's not a Punjabi practice, is it? Well it's not and leave to us we know how to solve it. And by the way you guys should first go and do some research on why we do it. I would only say that it avoids the deaths of thousands of peoples! If we don't do that, there will obviously be a Tribal War and youse know how they end up. So every thing that we practice has a huge role in avoiding major conflicts.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
I am not Pro-Swara but i am ashamedd at how you guys view other cultures. You know what, you guys should go and modernise your own country and then advice us on what to change. For the moment we love the way we are, but IF we get any opportunity we will definately bring changes into our culture.
@ NeSCio
Language Please.
How would you fell if i call you Punjabis Beasts? NOt happy nor sad but mad you would feel, and that is how i am feeling right now. But to you i would only say, GET A LIFE!
PS. It's not a Punjabi practice, is it? Well it's not and leave to us we know how to solve it. And by the way you guys should first go and do some research on why we do it. I would only say that it avoids the deaths of thousands of peoples! If we don't do that, there will obviously be a Tribal War and youse know how they end up. So every thing that we practice has a huge role in avoiding major conflicts.
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Right right, and I am sure that the little girl who is being ravaged by the servents in some basement somewhere is really giving you and your "culture" blessings and praying for your prosperity.
This is sick barbaric and gross. WTF are you on about "you" people and "your" country. If you are an AFGAN in the proper sense and share nothing with "our" culture then what are you doing on Gupshup anyway?
In the stead of trying tro sweep it under some cultured rug how about some educated folk (obviously not you) come out and condem it, calling it what it is. You do have the chance to change your culture, but so long as people like you are warped enough to even try to jusify/explain it with stupid stuff like "culture" then that aint gonna happen.
I wonder if you'd be OK with it if it was your sister and if you'd "love" it as much then. And if not then I say only this GET AN IQ
PS: People like You are the reason why the whole world is focked up. I hold you solely responsible. G' d day
Aryan, I am willing to listen to your side of the story.
How does 'jirga' justify rape of an innocent on the premise of potential fight among the tribes? Please explain the rational behind it? How fair is it to the girl? Please 'justify' jirga law if you will.
Thanks.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
**I am not Pro-Swara **but i am ashamedd at how you guys view other cultures. You know what, you guys should go and modernise your own country and then advice us on what to change. For the moment we love the way we are, but IF we get any opportunity we will definately bring changes into our culture.
@ NeSCio
Language Please.
How would you fell if i call you Punjabis Beasts? NOt happy nor sad but mad you would feel, and that is how i am feeling right now. But to you i would only say, GET A LIFE!
PS. It's not a Punjabi practice, is it? Well it's not and leave to us we know how to solve it. And by the way you guys should first go and do some research on why we do it. I would only say that it avoids the deaths of thousands of peoples! If we don't do that, there will obviously be a Tribal War and youse know how they end up. So every thing that we practice has a huge role in avoiding major conflicts.
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so basically you're a person who cannot even stand up and say: this is what i believe in. You deny that you support this practice and then when half of the world has lost interest in your person you justify it.
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You know what, you guys should go and modernise your own country and then advice us on what to change. For the moment we love the way we are, but IF we get any opportunity we will definately bring changes into our culture.
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You know what, YOU should go and make YOUR own country more barbaric or whatever you want to do with it. And nahi beta, NWFP is not your country, afghanistan is. Stay there until someone kicks you out for speaking english. Your 'we' does not include these people. Wahin karo jo karna hay.
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How would you fell if i call you Punjabis Beasts? NOt happy nor sad but mad you would feel, and that is how i am feeling right now. But to you i would only say, GET A LIFE!
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Most civilised pashtoons do not practice this. And if a Punjabi is being a beast, you can well call him a beast. See thats what comes with logic, being able to discern that actions are individual, and so are the corresponding slurs. Everyone was condemning the people involved, not necessary everyone who is a Pashtun.
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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
This is sick barbaric and gross. WTF are you on about "you" people and "your" country. If you are an AFGAN in the proper sense and share nothing with "our" culture then what are you doing on Gupshup anyway?
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This is sick barbaric and gross - This you refered to your own personality. :)
Yes i am an Afghan/Pashtun, and proud of it. Well you see i know all the things about youse. I hope my other Pashtuns fellaws are reading your post. I belive it's a Punjabi forum and off course we are not part of Pakistan that's why.
Btw my suggestion to you guys is that forget about our culture, now expouse some of your own negative practices, i always see you guys talking on our traditions, as if your tradition has no negative aspect.
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* I hope my other Pashtuns fellaws are reading your post. I belive it's a Punjabi forum and off course we are not part of Pakistan that's why. **
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Once again, get this in your skull: this is a Pakistani issue, its a Pakistani forum, and the context of this discussion is in fact Swaraa in Pakistan.
I am not a Punjabi, I am Muhajir.
Aryan talking to you is like slamming my head against an extremly low Iq-ed architectural structure, maybe a wall.
I’m not the one who is bartering the life of innocent girls, if I ever do feel free to call me sick and barbaric, but for now, you and your clan wear that particular shirt
What is super discusting and some would say pathetic is the way you aren’t even condeming such a practice.
Culture does not excuse idiocy.
Btw: noone cares about what your heritage is, try stepping into the real world :k:
This is a real eye-opener! I never knew such practices exist in Pakistan. That too by Muslims who openly propagate such non-sense.
I'd prefer war(s) over such horrific custom/practice.
Why don't such victims run away to other cities. Or may be they should stab the men whom they are offered to. Afterall, it'll be self-defence.
In a country where the government enacts gender-biased laws as hudood ordinances and sentences a blind woman to death when she cannot identify those who raped her, is everything possible.
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*Originally posted by Aryan_Shponkai: *
I would only say that it avoids the deaths of thousands of peoples! If we don't do that, there will obviously be a Tribal War and youse know how they end up. So every thing that we practice has a huge role in avoiding major conflicts.
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"My lord...this towering wisdom has displaced the stars.
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Btw my suggestion to you guys is that forget about our culture, now expouse some of your own negative practices, i always see you guys talking on our traditions, as if your tradition has no negative aspect.
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I just don't understand how this guy's mind works (always assuming he possesses one). I mean, what's the idea? If 'our' culture has any negative aspect, how does that justify the sick and barbaric traditions of 'Your' culture? What would it take for you to realize that you are not doing your country or culture a favour by trying to defend its negative aspects. Nor do equally disgusting or barbaric practices in other cultures justify yours.
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*Originally posted by hiccup: *
I wonder if you'd be OK with it if it was your sister and if you'd "love" it as much then. And if not then I say only this GET AN IQ
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Havne't you noticed him already defending it, as a means of avoiding wars? I don't think it would make much of a difference to people who support these tradition, even if it were happening to their sisters/daughters. As long as it saves their filthy skins, anything goes! But seriously Aryan, how would YOU feel , if you were such a girl, made to pay the price for other people's crimes? I bet you would wish that the men in your tribes were a lot more 'manly' and not such abominable corwads.
These people pay the most lip service to Islam and ghairat yet they are the most unislamic and beghairat people on the face of this earth.
This is just one of the outdated practices from their jaahil culture, there’s many more.
If you’re going to take panga with someone then fight back like a man till the end you pussies, why push a woman (in some cases even prepubescent girls) into hell and take the easy way out?
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*Originally posted by Hawapema: *
Havne't you noticed him already defending it, as a means of avoiding wars? I don't think it would make much of a difference to people who support these tradition, even if it were happening to their sisters/daughters. As long as it saves their filthy skins, anything goes! But seriously Aryan, how would YOU feel , if you were such a girl, made to pay the price for other people's crimes? I bet you would wish that the men in your tribes were a lot more 'manly' and not such abominable corwads.
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Yea I know, its like talking to a concrete slab, but I tried on the odd chance that someting might stick...
The origins of such a custom can be traced back to the birth of the Islamic period amongst the Arabs. This custom was introduced by the Prophet (pbuh) to bring peace between warring factions amongst the Arab tribes. This example was also set by the Prophet (pbuh) himself when he married from a revile tribe. In one case the entire tribe had accepted Islam because of such a marriage.
Sadly, like with many customs they start off as something with the intention of being positive and bettering existing circumstances - which for the most part it does fufill untill it starts being changed and taken out of context.
When any tribes with a long stand feud ended up losing family members, inevitably there comes a stage when they would realise that the feuding had to end. In such instances the elders or mediaters of the tribes would sit and discuss reconciliation. They came up with the solution of marrying their daughters into each others tribes hence creating a blood relation.
The reasoning behind this mostly due to the logic that the killings between the tribes would end as the likelikhood was such that the other party was the husband, son etc of your own daughter or sister. SO the marriages put an dend to the feuds.
The girls in question were never treated badly, and the elders took it to ensure that the girl was given all the respect and consideration due of any woman, regardless of the circumstances in which they came to be part of the tribe.
Somewhere over time, it became such that the girls were bought into the tribe but not married, and lived there as a maid. Such cases are wrong but hopefully with more emphasis being placed on education this will change, and is changing.
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*Originally posted by ravage: *
You know what, YOU should go and make YOUR own country more barbaric or whatever you want to do with it. And nahi beta, NWFP is not your country, afghanistan is. Stay there until someone kicks you out for speaking english. Your 'we' does not include these people. Wahin karo jo karna hay.
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I suggest you pick up a history book sometime and read up on the Durrand Line.
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
These people pay the most lip service to Islam and ghairat yet they are the most unislamic and beghairat people on the face of this earth.
This is just one of the outdated practices from their jaahil culture, there’s many more.
If you’re going to take panga with someone then fight back like a man till the end you pussies, why push a woman (in some cases even prepubescent girls) into hell and take the easy way out?
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Language Please - Why speak like a child? Boy You ahev crossed the line, just reread and consider what you've written in your post.
See again i am being polite to some of you guys here, but it's some stupid fellaws here who have no respect for themselves, let alone mine.
** If you have eyes then read Brit Chick's post, which traces it's origin**