Support for the death penalty - I say why not....

I never understand how come assigning a death punishment to a cold-blooded killer is inhuman. I don’t know what these Europeans think of themselves. I mean seriously, if a guy kills another guy for money, how come executing that guy is inhuman? There are so many cold blooded killers around us who will kill anyone for no reason somtimes and these idiot Europeans want to treat them like heros.. whatever…. Good job Mr Schwarzenegger by supporting the death punishment….Forget your native Austrian fellows…they are brainless idiots anyway who can eat steak and drink beer…….

Austria Official Chides Schwarzenegger

By WILLIAM J. KOLE
Associated Press Writer

January 22, 2005, 10:40 AM EST

VIENNA, Austria – California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger should be stripped of citizenship in his native Austria for approving the execution of a convicted killer, a leading Austrian politician said Saturday.

The demand, by a top official from the environmentalist Green Party, had little chance for success, but it underscores how Schwarzenegger has lost popularity in his homeland over his support for the death penalty. Most Austrians – and many other Europeans – abhor capital punishment as cruel and inhumane.

Peter Pilz said Schwarzenegger broke the law in Austria – where capital punishment is illegal – and is no longer worthy of citizenship because he allowed the execution of Donald Beardslee’s execution to go ahead last week.

“Schwarzenegger is possibly the most prominent Austrian abroad, and he shapes the picture of Austria,” Pilz said. “I don’t want that picture shaped by someone who commits state murder. That does not correspond to the political culture of this country.”

Pilz told Austrian media he sent the Interior Ministry a letter formally requesting that the government begin the process of terminating Schwarzenegger’s citizenship.

Calls to the Interior Ministry seeking comment went unanswered Saturday.

It appeared unlikely that the Greens, a leftist opposition party which holds just a handful of seats in parliament, would persuade Austria’s conservative government to revoke Schwarzenegger’s citizenship.

Rarely, if ever, has Austria taken the extraordinary step of stripping someone of citizenship. Not even Kurt Waldheim, the former Austrian president and U.N. secretary-general linked to Nazi war crimes, had his citizenship revoked.

Pilz insists there are sufficient legal grounds to strip Schwarzenegger of his citizenship: specifically, a clause in Austria’s nationality law stipulating that citizenship can be revoked if an Austrian “in the service of another country substantially damages the interests or reputation of the republic by his or her behavior.”

“Capital punishment is unacceptable in Austria and in Europe, and no Austrian citizen may take part in it or arrange it,” he said.

Beardslee, 61, convicted of killing two women over a drug deal almost a quarter-century ago, became the first inmate put to death by California in three years when he was given a lethal injection at San Quentin State Prison on Wednesday.

The execution came hours after Schwarzenegger rejected a clemency petition seeking to commute the death sentence to life without parole, and the California Supreme Court rejected two last-minute appeals. In Vienna, it triggered a small but spirited protest outside the U.S. Embassy.

The death penalty has eroded Austrians’ affection for the local bodybuilder who emigrated to the United States and made it big.

In a straw vote held earlier in the week in the western province of Upper Austria, fewer than 25 percent said they considered Schwarzenegger fit to run the province.

It was a stark difference from six months ago, when Austria’s post office giddily issued a new “Arnie” stamp and Austrian newspaper commentators urged Americans to amend the constitution to let foreign-born citizens like Schwarzenegger run for president.

Pilz’s Green Party has been especially riled by the governor’s pro-death penalty stance. In the southern city of Graz, near Schwarzenegger’s birthplace, the Greens have led a drive to rename Schwarzenegger Stadium, a 15,350-seat soccer venue.

Schwarzenegger was born in 1947 in the village of Thal just outside Graz, where he began his bodybuilding career. He emigrated to the United States in 1968 and became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1984, but has retained his Austrian citizenship.

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PD Yaar the europeans are tooth-less :snooty:'s. They just dis-agree for the sake of it, but deep down inside they love US and would love to mimic us. The European youth love MTV (our ambassador to the world). I myself fancy death penalty.

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The systems not perfect, innocents could be excuted.

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The Court system has long history. Once upon a time 'eye for an eye' was the system. Now the world communities have smoothly moved towards civilization and culture and so the system has been humanized.
Banning death penalty is next step in a civilized society.

That is another thing that cutting body parts for minor thefts, or executing death sentence in public is still being practiced in some uncivilized societies.

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Rehabilitation is always seen as an option and miscarriages of justice are always possible in Europe, of course in the US once you're bad there's no turning back, God forbid anyone tries to see if it's true and also you never make mistakes so it works for you lot.

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well anjann, you are being extremely uncivilized yourself by making some unnecessary allegations towards a certain group…you know what anjann, this whole discussion of civilized and uncivilized is so hypothetical. Once someone gets his brother/son killed innocently in front of his eyes ( and you know who the murderer is), only then someone will feel sheer pain…………..at that very moment I will ask all of these civilized human beings what do they want for that murderer who killed their own son…..The murderer who kills someone in the first place is unfit for the civilized society anyway….and doctors also recommend cutting away the cancerous part of your body….don’t they?

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the hypocrisy of the west is truly amazing they on the one hand call for death penalty but when it comes to muslims calling for shariah law including the execution of drug dealers, rapists and adulters they calling for the oppoisite!

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^ the difference mere pyarey communist semi automatic rifle is that west can change the law according to the times we live in. But supposed god's law is deemed unchangeable by shariah...unless you want to proooooooove god wrong. (I like the use of O's)

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^see thats where your sooooo wrong. Have you heard of ijtihad?

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Yes I have, and it just doesn't cut the mustard. God is easy to prove wrong.

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lol thats what ijtihad is, 'change the law according to the times we live in'.

anyways...i'm out

hosni mubarak to you 2

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Well that is great. I propose credit swaps and female leaders in the pipe dream of khilafah..god should be cool with that...

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sure. why not. your so behind, try to keep up with things. We already have women ayatullahs (mujtahids) , and of late Iran has allowed women to stand up as president and on the way to ban capital punishment, theyre one step ahead of you guys on that one. Ayatullah Rafsanjanis daughter leads and org. the olympic for women around the whole world in which hopefully next one ima gonna particpate myself. :k:

See we dunn hear of about these things in the media, y’all shud get iranian channel, you’d be better informed. iranian women are so fiesty that the men seem quite meek in comparison.

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Great ..so no problem with a woman khilafah right. Since god is all for that and all. How about a jew or a buddhist. Surely god wouldn’t be as naiive to have only muslims as leaders of muslims..silly timebound tranditions I tell ya. :k:

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^
Maybe you should get a better TV. Iran's Religious hardliners have ruled out allowing women to run for President.

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good point Matsui. How about we get an ayatullah to lead the buddhists and the jews. infact include christians and the hindus while we’re at it. wow, that would be such a great scene. A true reflection of Islam. im sure God would be so darn chuffed, all faiths praying towards mecca. :k:

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UTD: when was the last time you watched iranian TV? this is pretty recent.

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Jan 13th 2005
Iran: Women will not run for president

Iran’s hard-line leadership ruled out allowing women to run for president in June elections, denying reports in the state-run media Saturday that it had decided to allow female candidates for the first time.

It was not clear whether the denial meant the hard-line Guardian Council was reversing itself or whether the earlier announcement was a mistake.

Throughout the day, state-run radio and television carried reports quoting council spokesman Gholamhossein Elham as saying the council had changed its long-standing policy and allowed women to run.

But in the evening, the media reported Elham denied the new stance.

“The Guardian Council’s previous opinion has not changed,” he was quoted as saying.

An official from the television’s political department defended the state-run media outlets, saying they had reported Elham’s initial comments correctly and that it was the spokesman who had backtracked.

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well this is by reuters and more recent;

Sun., January 23, 2005 Shvat 13, 5765

TEHRAN - Women can run in June’s presidential election, Iran’s legislative watchdog said yesterday, clearing up an ambiguous article of the constitution.

Iran’s constitution says candidates should be “rejal,” an Arabic word for men.

But Gholamhossein Elham, spokesman for the conservative Guardian Council, said the word could also refer to women.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/530492.html

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that is the rub innit...all wouldn't be praying towards mecca. they would be praying in their own way. Ayatullah or a pujari or a rabbi is good enough to lead that. But in America they can already do that. So America or the west is your khilafah with GWB as your fearless Khalifa. God is indeed happy that her words are understood albeit..it took until the 18th century.