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i dont want to waste my precious time..but im usually provoked
U still don't get it Degas
Holy Prophet asked us to follow Quran and his Ahleybait, and gave the Imamat to Hazrat Ali, doesnt Abu Bakr becoming Khaleefa contradicts his Hadith, All i m asking what does Bibi Ayesha disobeyng Quran and going to battle against hazrat ali tells u, to u about 900 muslims being killed it just a simple mistake and Abu Bakr disobeying Prophet hadith might be too, but let me tell u because of these acts of them got muslim misguided and split into sects and there is nothing wrong in searching for the truth, lemme remind u sister Holy Prophet said that after him we r gonna split in 73 sects and only one is going to go to heaven.
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Originally posted by The Watcher:
**X-Com, why are you wasting time here?
They are confused and they will do what a confused does. So no point in debating with people of heedless.
They call the most noble and closest people near the Prophet traitors, isn't that an insult to Allah who appointed or let those traitors so close to our prophet? These people will never listen or open their eyes to the truth!
Among those is the fact that modern-day innovators in Islam(shia, brailvi, etc.) are absolutely incapable of engaging in a logical fact-based discussion of important issues. Logic is to their typical big-so-called Imam what a clove of garlic is to Dracula. They can't handle it, so they hide from it.
Truth hurts them so they find ways to twist the lies even more and make it look like its the truth, according to them!
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Brother Its u who is running from the truth, why don't u correct me if i m wrong rather then blaming us with no references.
I am giving u references and since u can't prove me wrong u start blaming me running from the truth, what truth did u present to justify me which i m running from, that all u can dooo brother, blame others what u r doing urselfffff.
All i can do is pray to God that Allah shows u the right path.
I m sorry if that offended u sister, all its does it shows what lame excuses u can come up with to avoid truth. Y dont u ppl tell me the referneces if i m wrong. U have problem with me loook at ur friend watcher he calls other idiots and stuff just to run away from the truth, and blames other taht we run away without givign us any truth worhty arguments.
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Originally posted by Insaniyat:
**Holy Prophet said that after him we r gonna split in 73 sects and only one is going to go to heaven.
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If I am going to Janat by cursing any Sahabas u bet I am not going to do that. If u get some time read about 10 years of Hazrat Umers khilafat. How he left Hazrat Ali Amir when he went to Jurusulam. We cant change whatever happened then so why lament on anything that happened back then. I dont think Hazrat Ali minded that much that u r.
As far as 73 sects if u r trying to say that only shias r going to Janat then good luck. Islam to u then is the least followed religion in the world as only less than 8-10 % of muslims r shias.
So what you are saying is because sunnis are more in number, therefore they are right and shias are wrong. ** I disagree brother**
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Is being in majority a proof of being right?
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If thats the case then Christians are in majority these days as compared to Muslims? So are you implying that CHristians are right and Muslims are wrong because Muslims are less in number? Your logic does NOT MAKE SENSE at all brother.
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What makes a person better is his faith in Allah, Prophet (s.a.w.w) and ahlebait masoomeen (a.s), no matter if he is a shia muslim or liberal sunni muslim who has ** true love of Prophet an his Progeny**, not munafiqat, no show off!
Wassalam,
Mujahid.
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Originally posted by Degas:
** If I am going to Janat by cursing any Sahabas u bet I am not going to do that. If u get some time read about 10 years of Hazrat Umers khilafat. How he left Hazrat Ali Amir when he went to Jurusulam. We cant change whatever happened then so why lament on anything that happened back then. I dont think Hazrat Ali minded that much that u r.
As far as 73 sects if u r trying to say that only shias r going to Janat then good luck. Islam to u then is the least followed religion in the world as only less than 8-10 % of muslims r shias.**
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Brother i don't have to look the 10 years of him khilafat, He disobeyed the Prophet's hadith's he took the right of Ahleybait, to start it, Y shall i look at it, And i don't need to know the statics of the sects in islam, as long as i am firm about my beliefs i don't care how much percent ppl agree with me, thats the lamest excuse u could come up with to proove us wrong. Use ur mind judgement brother, not what u r thaught.
Any Justifications sister communists on ur so called history, i m waiting for ur reply
Insaniyat,
So if I dont care who became Khilifah after Prophet Muhammad..where do I stand as a muslim.. am I going to hell for that?
look insaniyat...
no matter how hard i try to tell you...it aint gonna work
i've pt.d out that if we offer salaat, five times a day and read/understand teh QURAN, we DO NOT NEED matam/milad or cursing at AISHA (ra) and ABU BAKR to fulfill our lives
But you do need to follow the right path don't you X-commi ?
If you are on the wrong path, then no matter how hard you try to work on that path it is still wrong.
Your salat will be of no help to you if you fail to dis-obey our holy apostle (pbuh) - disobedience against whom is dis-obedience against Allah (swt).
You statement "it ain't going to work" shows how blind you have become to the truth.
The right path is not about accursing Aisha and yr other sahabahs. Let's stop cursing anyone. Its about recognizing who was on the path of truth and following that truth to the fountains of kauser.
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Originally posted by X_Communist:
**look insaniyat...
no matter how hard i try to tell you...it aint gonna work
i've pt.d out that if we offer salaat, five times a day and read/understand teh QURAN, we DO NOT NEED matam/milad or cursing at AISHA (ra) and ABU BAKR to fulfill our lives**
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Sister i would remind u what Allshah said in the other post, Saitan also prayed Salat, sister u ppl say we should follow the hadith of Prophet then y do deny the Ghadeer, the wilayat of Maula Ali. Shaitan also denyed to bow down for Adam, did he go to heaven.
Degas Brother I m not a Aalim nor a God to judge where do u stand, but yeah u r disobeying the hadith's of the Holy Prophet, but u don't tell me y? Y if u agree that the hadith is there then u deny the wilayat of Maula Ali, Read the references to the Ayats of Quran.
All i can pray brother is May God show us all the right Path
Ameen
Can someone tell me who are the Ahle Bait? by name?
yes, i was born yesterday.
It is an honour to mention the names of the holy ahl-bait. I thankyou for giving me the opportunity to do so. The holy sinless personalities are:
Muhammad (S.A.W.) Ali (A.S.)
Fatima (A.S.) Hasan (A.S.)
Husayn (A.S.)
Ali (A.S.) Muhammad (A.S.) Ja'far (A.S.)
Musa (A.S.)
Ali (A.S.) Muhammad (A.S.)
Ali (A.S.)
Hasan (A.S.)
Muhammad (A.S.)
They are the 14 glorious masumeens.
Thank You a1shah.
Next question.
a. What is the criterion for the inclusion of these pious people in the Ahle Bait?
b. If the criterion is their relationship to Prophet SAW, then why are several other people excluded, who had similar relationships to the Prophet SAW? Kindly answer, referring to my following points.
Hazrat Fatima RA is a member because she was Prophets SAW daughter. OK.....But Hazrat Fatima RA had 3 elder (real) sisters as well, whom Prophet SAW loved just as much...Hazrat Zainab RA, Hazrat Ruqaiyyah RA and Hazrat Umme Kulsoom RA. Why arent they included?
Hazrat Ali RA is a member because, as someone mentioned in another thread, he was a blood relative to Prophet SAW, since he was Prophets SAW first cousin. OK......But why are other cousins of the Prophet SAW excluded from the list? ala Hazrat Abbas RA, who too was Prophets SAW first cousin.
And to go on further, why not his son, Ibn-e-Abbas RA too?
And why not Hazrat Hamza RA, who was Prophet SAW real uncle?
Next question.
Why did the lineage of Ahle bait stop where it did? Why didnt it go on further? Was it because the last member, as u mentioned (Muhammad AS) did not have any kids? Or was it because of some other reason?
And did any of these Ahle Bait have any daughters? If so, why arent they included in the list? Is it because sons are responsible for carrying on the family name? If so, then why is Hazrat Bibi Fatima RA on the list, since she too was a daughter?
Remember, I was born yesterday and I know absolutely nothing. So bear with me and just give me the simple answers, because I am sure there is some logic hidden behind everything. Thanks
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there are many problems with the muslim world and the biggest being the differences between shias and sunnis. I am a sunni. I do not hate shais. I hate those who induce hate amongst muslims. It is sunnah to tell somones fault in private since doing so in public will agrevate the situation to the point where there is bloodshed (like just a few days ago in NWFP). What the HELL IS ALL THIS!! Shias belive they are right, Sunnis belive they are right, slandering each other will not benefit but will encourage hatered. It is easier to open a synagog (jewis place of worship) in Iran then a sunni mosque (the only one there is in the Pakistan embassy). Our model should be Yemmen in the middle east. There the shias and sunnis pray in the same mosque. We both belive in 'lailaha illalah Mohammed rasul Allah'. We dont agree on the way things happened after Mohammed (SAW) died. Islam was complete on his last sermon after his Haj before he died. May Allah grant us the ability to see the rigth path and stay united as indicated in the Quran:
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"And hold fast all together by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you) and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love so that by His grace ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of fire and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make his signs clear to you: that ye may be guided."
The Holy Quran 3:103
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Causing haterd is a direct act of disobedience to the will of Allah as stated in this ayat and is therefore HARAM and sinful. There are ways of spreading konwledge. Slandering who you belive is not correct is not the way. Please abstain from causing hatered amongst your brothers! For we all will be accountable on the day of judgement for what we have done in this life.
May Allah guide us all to the true path.
The hatred to aysha is not only the fact that she made the calpihate harder for Imam Ali and caused a lot of blood shed.
But it is the fact that when Imam Hassan's shaheed body was being taken to the tomb of the holy prophet to be buried. Aysha was screaming that he will "not be buried here" and she sent the coffin back along with archers to shot at the slain Imam.Imam Hussain said that they don't want to fight here so let's take imam Hassan to janatul baqi and bury him with his mother the greatest women in the world janab-e-fatema.
Most of the hatred of that women comes fron this particular event in history.
** my best friend is he who critizes my faults**
Imam jaffar-Saddiq
Still no answer to any of my questions.
Shah Jahan....I know shias dont accord any respect to Hazrat Aisha RA. However, that doesnt answer any of my questions that i outlined in my previous post.
Care to go through them again? Thanks.