The saying of Muhammad (saw) is that " defend your muslim lands from the kuffars and if you think you are losing do whatever u like to defend it." So suicide bombing is permissible in places like Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and many more muslim countries coz people there are oppressed and cant do anything to drove kuffars out.
We can free places like Palestine, Kashmir… with in days if the so called 52 Muslim nations will work under islamic laws and not democracy. It is our puppet governments who are responsible and are after american intrests and dont listen to the cries of people.
Guys it is up to u and me to spread Islam, we did it in the past let us do it again, so think about it to make history or become history…
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*Originally posted by liveshoaib: *
Asalamu Alaikum
The saying of Muhammad (saw) is that " defend your muslim lands from the kuffars and if you think you are losing do whatever u like to defend it."
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When quoting hadiths, please provide the chain of narration and which compiler of hadiths included it.
I've never come across any hadith like this being mentioned in fatwas making martyrdom bombings legitimate, which makes me concerned that this alleged saying that you've given is an outright fabrication.
When quoting hadiths, please provide the chain of narration and which compiler of had
Asalamu Alaikum
Well bro. i didnt wrote the chain of narration coz i got it from my friend and if u have a look u will see these things in Quran too, how the Sahaba's defend their lands.................
Even if ur logic and narration is taken as true.. suicide bombers should aim at military installations or israely army at combat and not bus of school kids.. there are specific rules of engagement in Islam where one cannot in any circumstances kill children, women, old, sick or people who are non-combatants..
if a Israeli army person kill a palestinian kid and a palestinian shoot a kid infront of his/her mom. whats the difference between the two..
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*Originally posted by liveshoaib: *
Asalamu Alaikum
The saying of Muhammad (saw) is that " defend your muslim lands from the kuffars and if you think you are losing do whatever u like to defend it." So suicide bombing is permissible in places like Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and many more muslim countries coz people there are oppressed and cant do anything to drove kuffars out.
We can free places like Palestine, Kashmir..... with in days if the so called 52 Muslim nations will work under islamic laws and not democracy. It is our puppet governments who are responsible and are after american intrests and dont listen to the cries of people.
Guys it is up to u and me to spread Islam, we did it in the past let us do it again, so think about it to make history or become history..............
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You seem like another misguided young soul. You can live in the biggest city in the world and still be very insular. Perhaps if someone you knew were to be a victim of a terrorist bomb on the underground (God forbid) your view on killing of innocents might undergo a harsh review. Suggest you go over to the Central Mosque at Baker Street and talk things over with the Imam.
As for the 52 Muslim nations unity bit......stop dreaming of what was and of recreating the past - never happens. And, by the way, hardly any of the muslim nations are democracies...
well Risky here u wanna prove ur self that u know london and nothing else how could u say someone misguided is that what islam teaches or shall i say u misguided? ok ur point "hardly any muslim countries have democracies" so could u please tell me which one is working under shariah rules. and do u have faith in Allah coz u would not have said forget about the past what do u mean by past, ok we are in future u mean to say forget countries, people, killings, rapes whatelse u wanna forget. arnt we muslims like slaves of US and UK do whatever they want...... brother the situation in places like palestine, kashmir...... is different and please have a clear look have i mentioned to do sucide bombings in public, it is u ppl. who have western media in minds and think of them.....
well another brother Mr, Fraudia wanna know difference between "if a Israeli army person kill a palestinian kid and a palestinian shoot a kid infront of his/her mom. whats the difference between the two.."
bro. what is the difference between when an Isreali bomber bombs civilians includin children infront of their mothers and a bomber bombs Hamas and Hisbullah..........
what do u think these people have no right to live, arnt they our brothers and sisters............. dont think what west wanna put in our minds........
what is the difference between when an Isreali bomber bombs civilians includin children infront of their mothers and a bomber bombs Hamas and Hisbullah..........
what do u think these people have no right to live, arnt they our brothers and sisters............. dont think what west wanna put in our minds........
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yes there is no difference as u too agree.. both are butchers.. so why ur crying.. why bring Islam in these instances if muslims are also acting the same way that these jews! Injustice cannot be replied withb injustice otherwise it equalizes..
Re: When quoting hadiths, please provide the chain of narration and which compiler of had
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*Originally posted by liveshoaib: *
Asalamu Alaikum
Well bro. i didnt wrote the chain of narration coz i got it from my friend and if u have a look u will see these things in Quran too, how the Sahaba's defend their lands.................
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Like I said, there is no chain of narration given therefore it is dangerous to consider it as being authentic. And I challenge you to find anything in the Quran that encourages military action without morals.
Whilst I personally hold martyrdom bombings in Palestine to be Islamically acceptable, I do so for different reasons.
for those who r saying suicide attacks r haram need to observe the conditioon...now tht time has passed impressing another 1 by character and impressing jews hehehe...u no wht i mean.....isrealis have killed more then 4000 since 2000,destructed thousands of houses killed hundereds of teenagers killed few months babies....its a pyaback time...just destruct jews...jewss people have muc much bigger role in destruction of muslim houses ....cuz they start live where mmuslims houses were constructedl...another most important point to prove suicide right is full support of civilians to their governement to destruct muslims and most imprtant point is WHOLE PALESTINE LAND IS THE PROPERTY OF PALESTINE PEOPLE JUST NOT A SINGLE INCH BELONGS TO JEWS AND THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT EVERY TIME FROM EVERY WHERE TO DESTRCUT JEWS EITHER MEN OR WHO EVA....palestine r really people of distressed...every day plenty killed..isrealis behave palestine like an animal.... and guys come out of dreams now all jews r muslims enemies...their MOSSAD is active in every muslim country..hammas doing a noble job by doing suicide attacks...there is a only way to come out of extremism is isrealis..may allah help hammas and their people...want more prove of jews as u people think jews "innocent"
read hilary ford THE INTERNATIONAL JEW and infact its translation has been publishing by jang for last weeks in sunday week.....
jews r our enemies even they r active in kashmir....i suggest all u to read history 1 and know abt moosadd nd their people nature and then support jews....
tht post is not for offending any1
its just in a favour of great brave muslim organisation hammad and palestine people....
its time for muslims to weak up and let do wht eva these muslims organisations r doing cuz they r the only 1 who r challenging america and muslims enemies
I'm sorry, but your argument is baseless. Whilst I support martyrdom operations in Palestine, your logic is entirely the wrong way to justify them. They can only ever be justified through debating them from an Islamic sense, using the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad, in that order.
In a matter this serious, all other reasoning, such as the argument that you gave, is worthless.
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
I'm sorry, but your argument is baseless. Whilst I support martyrdom operations in Palestine, your logic is entirely the wrong way to justify them. They can only ever be justified through debating them from an Islamic sense, using the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad, in that order.
In a matter this serious, all other reasoning, such as the argument that you gave, is worthless.
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i think u dont see tv or read newspaper ....children r torned into pieces in recent attacks..isrealis r firing directly on teenagers and other youths...dont live in dreams..be practical...ur point is totally wrong...suicide attacks r right....come up some comments inspite of saying worthless.... and ya make some sense man in ur post..tell me the thing u r telling can it be applied on jews??????
ijtihad to hi hai kay suicide attacks r correct......
and ya some up with comments dont say worthless and the like ...
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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
I'm sorry, but your argument is baseless. Whilst I support martyrdom operations in Palestine, your logic is entirely the wrong way to justify them. They can only ever be justified through debating them from an Islamic sense, using the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad, in that order.
In a matter this serious, all other reasoning, such as the argument that you gave, is worthless.
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The way Americans and Israelies have been treating Palestinians, I don't think Palestinians are wrong. It is only human nature to avenge.
I am against violence in any form but Palestinian response to Israeali Violence only seems Natural.
If your enemies are fighting in an unislamic manner, that cannot be used as justification to fight back in a similar way. The way in which you fight back must be justified by the Quran, Sunnah, Ijma, Qiyas and Ijtihad, NOT by the acts of the enemy.
I believe that martyrdom bombings are lawful through through the above judicial process, but NOT by the reasoning that you gave, which is WRONG.
If the enemies of Muslims rape muslim women, does that then mean that it’s ok for Muslims to rape the women of those enemies?
If enemies of Muslims rape Muslim women you would definitly forget about your Quran and go for revenge. cos that is human nature that very nature was instilled into Humans by Very God of your who according to YOU gave you the quran.
nah nah i disagree with u go to my topic suicide bombings and read fatwa of popular mufti ibrahim deasi and u no the class of mufti ibrahim desai..i m sorry to say ur point is totally unvalid khair hope discussion will continue without bashing
thanxs
