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As title says, so is it Sunnah or Bid’ah? Please share your views with references. ![]()
:salam2:
As title says, so is it Sunnah or Bid’ah? Please share your views with references. ![]()
Neither. It’s just a tool that is used to keep count. No body uses beads tasbeeh, thinking that he is going to get more sawab cause he is using beads.
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Only in a wahabi school of thought can it be call bidah, gradually every mini thing
What’s the origin of tasbeeh? Who made the first one and what was it made of?
Better search on this then biddah or sunnah
I think tasbeeh fatimah came later and hazrat hamza first but might be wrong
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Look man I love you for being Muslim but it is always good to first search the issue then paint a school with a blanket statement. Now I know people are lazy by nature and do not like to search but hold on to what they have been taught. So, let me kill two birds with one stone and answer the OP and help you better understand what you term the “Wahabis!”
Firstly, prayer beads in Arabic are called masbahahs in Arabic
*Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said in * al-Fatawa (22/187): **“Some of them might show off by putting their prayer-mats over their shoulders and carrying their masbahahs in their hands, making them symbols of religion and prayer. It is known from the mutawatir reports (reports in such large numbers that they couldn’t be forged) that neither the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) nor his Companions used these as symbols. They used to recite tasbeeh and count on their fingers, as the hadeeth says: “Count on your fingers, for they will be asked, and will be made to speak.” Some of them may count their tasbeeh with pebbles or date stones. Some people say that doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is makrooh (disliked), and some allow it, but no one says that tasbeeh with the masbahah is better than tasbeeh with the fingers.”
Al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Salih al-‘Uthaymeen (al-Liqa al-Maftooh, 3/30) was asked whether using the masbahah for tasbeeh is bid’ah, and his reply was: “It is better not to do tasbeeh with the masbahah, but it is not bid’ah, because there is a basis for it, which is the fact that some of the Sahabah (Companions) did tasbeeh with pebbles. But the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) taught us that tasbeeh with the fingers is better, as he said, ‘Count with the fingertips, for they will be made to speak.’ Doing tasbeeh with the masbahah is not haram (impermissible) or bid’ah, but it is better not to do it, because the one who does tasbeeh with the masbahah has shunned something better. Using the masbahah may also be contaminated with some element of showing off, because we see some people carrying masbahahs that contain a thousand beads, as if they are telling people, ‘Look at me, I do a thousand tasbeehs!’
**Al-Shaykh Muhammad Nasir al-Deen al-Albani ** said in *Al-Silsilat al-Da’eefah* (1/110), where he quotes the **(weak)** hadeeth
“What a good reminder is the subhah [masbahah],”
“In my view, the meaning of this hadeeth is invalid for a number of reasons:
Firstly, the subhah [masbahah] is bid’ah and was not known at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). It happened after that, so how could he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) have encouraged his Sahabah to do something that was unknown to them? The evidence for what I have said is the report narrated by Ibn Waddah in *Al-Bid’ wa’l-Nahy ‘anha* from al-Salt ibn Bahram, who said: **‘Ibn Mas’ood passed by a woman who had a [masbahah] with which she was making tasbeeh, and he broke it and threw it aside, then he passed by a man who was making tasbeeh with pebbles, and he kicked him then said, “You think you are better than the Sahabah, but you are following unjustified bid’ah! You think you have more knowledge than the Companions of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)!”’ Its isnad (chain of transmission) is saheeh (authentic) to al-Salt, who is one of the trustworthy (thiqah) followers of the Tabi’een (Successors)**.
So. you see my brother in faith, not all those who are termed Wahabis say it is bidah! Good to search first and not let hatred instilled in oneself by others make one biased!
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Too lazy to read long post of yours and no interest in knowing what the shaykh has to say about prayer beads
Rather who how, when the prayer beads started?
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Prayers beads are bid’ah … (i.e. they are an innovation) but only to the same extent as going to masjid in a car or listening to Qur’an on a CD is bid’ah.
I would argue that prayer beads still qualifies our fingers for the reward of tasbeeh. The fingers will still speak about how they were used pulling counters upon which tasbeeh was made.
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“Chor dey tasbeeh ko gin gin key padhna Iqbal, Us sey kya hisab jo behisab deta hai”
-Allama Iqbal
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Bro you broke my heart…![]()
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^ Sorry if it came out rude
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Peace @batameez,
You must learn from Brother ZeeshanParvez how he answered in well manner. Your views sounds more like if a diabetes patient ask eating sweets is good or bad, you answer the patient that so and so “doctors” made eating sweets bad for diabetic patient even sugar-free things too.
Almighty Allah instruct us that we should invite others towards Almighty Allah with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with others in a way that is the best. So try to increase patience in yourself and always remember while answering that “ke shayad kisi ke dil mein utar jay meri baat”.
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Interesting, reading the post by ZP here and this forum I dont find him well manner for me to learn
I say and will say as it is straight and blunt
Won’t have me mocking and calling people coconut nor sugarcoated that makes you cringe
Instead of sticking to the topic or throwing down the verdict you go after me huh?
Stick to the topic instead and keep this boring robotic place alive
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Do you know what a coconut is when used for your Brailley “scholars?”
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But then again, I guess you chose your name for a reason! ![]()
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A coconut when used for a person who poses as a “scholar” refers to a person who is lacking knowledge on the subject and yet wants to preach.
Good to first understand then comment…batameez…and not to mention do a little search in the meantime ![]()