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Stunning Facts

** HAS ALLAH NOT GIVEN US THE RESOURCES?**

Recognize how many important resources are within Muslim control.

To mention just a few…

70% of world oil reserves, totaling 550 billion barrels, are in “Muslim countries.” (U.S. Geological Survey & Oil and Gas Journal)

49% of the world’s Natural Gas reserves, totaling 2532 trillion cubic feet, are in Muslim majority countries. (Oil and Gas Journal)

21% of world production of Uranium, totaling 6,421 tons annually, is from “Muslim countries.” (The Journal of the Uranium Institute)

Aren’t Our Resources What We Were Colonized For?

Saudi Arabian Crude Oil and Petroleum products alone generated $43.2 billion in revenue in 1999.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “People share in three things–The water, the graze, and the fire (includes power resources)” (Abu Dawud)

This hadith establishes public ownership of the natural resources in the Islamic State.
** If money from the Ummah’s resources today were distributed according to Allah’s Laws, nobody in the Islamic State would be living below poverty level. Do we need relief organizations, or international aid? ** Or do we need the backbone to establish all the systems of Islam?

For example, 717-720 C.E: Khalifa Omar ibn Abdul-Aziz: Under the Khalifa’s guardianship, there was no poverty in the Islamic State. No one qualified for Zakah money, so the money was sent out of the State to free slaves in Europe.

** DO WE NOT SUFFICE IN NUMBERS? **

Today, there are an estimated 1.4 - 1.6 billion Muslims in the world.They form about ¼ of the world’s population.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish.” Someone asked: “Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?” He replied: “No, you will be numerous at that time: but you will be scum and rubbish like that carried down by a torrent, and Allah will remove the fear of you from the breasts of your enemy and put enervation into your hearts.” Someone asked: “What is enervation?” The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) replied: “Love of the world and dislike of death.” (Abu Dawud)

** IS IT ARMIES WE LACK? OR THE SHIELD? **

837 C.E.: Khalifa Mutasim sends the entire army of the Islamic State in response to the call for help of only one Muslim woman, who was captured by the Romans, and rescues her.

1993: Approximately 30,000 Muslim women were raped in Bosnia alone.Their cries for help not met.

Muslims have 119,381,333 million men available in their militaries,and 72,247,573 in military manpower fit for service.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Behold, the Imam (Khalifa) is but a shield from behind whom the people fight and by whom they protect themselves.” (Muslim)

** ARE WE NOT AWARE THAT NATIONALISM IS HARAAM **

The Muslim Ummah, which should be One, is today divided into 53 different countries, where Muslims form the majority by religion.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “The Muslim Ummah is a unique Ummah among the whole of mankind: ** Their Land is one, their War is one, their Peace is one, their Honor is one and their Trust is one.” **(Ahmed)

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, “People should give up their pride in nations because that is a Coal from the Coals of Hell-Fire.” (Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi)

The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, “He is not one of us who calls for asabiyyah, (nationalism) or who fights for asabiyyah or who dies for asabiyyah.” (Abu Dawud)

** OUR POWER IS IN RE-ESTABLISHING THE SYSTEMS OF ISLAM.**

As a Muslim community, we do not lack any type of assets - whether it be natural resources, our numbers, or our capabilities.

** We have the power to be successful in this world and in the hereafter.**

What we lack is the proper implementation of this power. What we lack is the proper organization of the State. We have the perfect solution for our current condition in the form of the Islamic systems. The longer we delay in implementing this solution, the more will our resources be wasted in mismanagement and extortion, and the longer the Muslim Ummah suffers.

Ibrahim says: Do you have a better solution?

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ibrahim god made perfect balance between
people of the world making them dependant
on each other.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Ibrahim:
** We have the perfect solution for our current condition in the form of the Islamic systems. The longer we delay in implementing this solution, the more will our resources be wasted in mismanagement and extortion, and the longer the Muslim Ummah suffers.
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Ibrahim,
I've been reading your post for some time now. You probably know the Koran by hart.
But you take the Koran too literarily. The Taliban is a perfect example of people who took the Koran and tried to implement it word for word. Look where it got them.
I don't think the answers to all the questions and problems lie in the Koran or any other religious book.

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ibrahim the world is so complex you cant
devide the world into "us" against "them".

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Ibrahim:
This is great that we have a complete solution and it should be implemented as soon as possible.
But how and where should we start?

aakhir kyon?: I think Ibrahim is talking about a complete solution, not the Koran or Taliban.
Secondly, being defeated in the battlefield does not prove that the defeated one was wrong. If we take this philosophy, then History of Spain would be an excellent example to prove that Islam is a wrong (NBMZ) religion. We ruled over Spain for centuries and now: where are we in Spain?
Does the fall of Spain prove that Islam is not a right religion?
Same way fall of Taliban does not prove the rightness or wrongness of Islam.

Taliban's defeat is purely due to the political and economical interests of USA+Western countries who deceived the whole world and planed this drama for years to take control over Afghanistan's minerals and to get the cheap passage for oil transportations from central Asian states.

Why would Taliban's fall have to do any thing with Koran or Islam?

I agree with Ibrahim in this matter that there is a complete solution in Islam for a wonderful and peaceful life and it should be implemented on our lives to get the full reward from Allah (SWT)

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Ibrahim,
What God has given you doesnt matter. God may be prejudiced by giving more oil to the Arab world, and gave nothing to Japan, Korea, etc. but, see their position.

It is the human endeavour, hardwork, and scientific spirit that is all important. Basking in past glory, maintaining harem's is nothing great.

You spoke only of what God gave you, but it is the westerners who discovered that they are really useful, made ways to turn the oil and gas into wealth. See what japanese could do without the help of God!!!

The Arab World, Instead of creating more problems with their interepretation of the religion, should take up funding for scientific and medical research which will make them more powerful.

Can you tell me
what percentage of research papers produced are by the whole muslim world ?
How many path breaking designers, architects , doctors are from the muslims world?

God will never help you , until and unless you also put up some effort in that direction.

"Knowledge is the most precious wealth"

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[quote]
Originally posted by rvikz:
ibrahim the world is so complex you cant
devide the world into "us" against "them".
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ever heard this before "either u r with us or against us."....

if they can say it, why cant we????

especially when the Quran tells us vry clearly that Muslims shud not take allies from the non-muslims....

and thos who see Taliban as people who tried to live according to Islam (or Quran) and were defeated cuz of this reason, then please do see the times of the Khualafaa-e-Rashideen (the Four Khalifas after the Prophet) and thos who followed them....
didnt they live according to the Quran????
did they not conquer most of the world????
did they not master themselves in every field????

"Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith." **Quran(3:147)

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Excellent point armughal..

They were truly following Qur’an ALONE. The six “holy” books of hadith had not been compiled till then

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Ibrahim says : Sure you are welcome to think what you want but that is not what your Creator seems to be saying in the a scriptures kept by opposing nations (meaning since they oppose each other, there will be no room for fabrication)

Further since these scriptures are at different times frames by different prophets, they is no room for collusion either, so you follow your head and I will chose to follow the facts based on my own research.

Ibrahim says we start with our selves and our family and then our community. Little by little when we oppose injustice and stand up the TRUTH, we will eventually succeed. Remember God only chose one man to establish Islam at all time frames for multitudes of people.

** injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere ** Establish the TRUTH at all times .

Ibrahim says: sure go here and ponder http://users.erols.com/zenithco/index.html and find out how the Europeans robbed this knowledge from the Muslims and used it to oppress and subjugate the Muslims to this day

If you are talking about current times, ask the Indians in India who is at the forefront of their nuclear development programs

Ibrahim says No you silly! It was because they practiced the SUNNAH a 100%, (meaning they lived by it at all times and need not put it into writing since it was practiced and memeorized) they achieved what had been acheived and they had no need to compile the sayings into book form until it was declining in practice .

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muslim countries is also afraid modernisation
will bring an end to traditional culture and values thus lead to erosion of religen which is central pillar in islamic countries.
you cant become high tech without giving
equal rights to women and involving them
in education and other fields. that will invlve bringing men and women closely working
toghether which goes against very fundamental
value of islamic countries.

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rvikz: you may be right. Throwing women and men togather is the least of the problems that going high tech generates. It is all that darn education, questioning, and total disregard for authority that seems to be required to generate the ability to go high tech. that spells disaster for traditional cultures.

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[quote]
Originally posted by rvikz:
muslim countries is also afraid modernisation
will bring an end to traditional culture and values thus lead to erosion of religen which is central pillar in islamic countries.
you cant become high tech without giving
equal rights to women and involving them
in education and other fields. that will invlve bringing men and women closely working
toghether which goes against very fundamental
value of islamic countries.
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Dear rvikz: I am sorry to say that either you do not have Islamic knowledge at all or you are writing just to make fuss.

Where is it said in the Islamic laws that women should not get education?
Where is it said in the Islamic laws that women would not have the equal rights?
Where does Islam says that a Muslim should stick to it cultural or traditional values?

By the way, if you see a Muslim family which practice Islam has more liberation and freedom for women other culture may not even dream about it and this is the main theme of this thread that adopt Islam, not the traditions.

On the other hand most of the culture we have in Pakistan is from Hindu society, which has nothing to do any ting with Islam or Muslims.

Who told you that the end of traditional culture (which actually is not Islamic) would lead to erosion of religion?
If you read the Islamic history with open mind you would find most of the Mathematics, Algebra, Geometry, Physics, Chemistry, Medicine and Geographical knowledge is based on the fundamental principles written by Muslims Scholars who were the real followers of Islam.

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i agree with you muslim countries lost edge
in scientific knowledge after propagating
it to west.

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thats because those people had heard and seen the Prophet by their own selves…
the books were written for the guidance of the people who came later and wud not actually hear the Prophet’s sayings uttered from his own tongue…

“Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith.” Quran(3:147)

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[quote]
thats because those people had heard and seen the Prophet by their own selves....
the books were written for the guidance of the people who came later and wud not actually hear the Prophet's sayings uttered from his own tongue....
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The logic doesn't hold, becasue they had seen the Qur'an being revealed by their own selves too and had mesmorized it to the word, YET they immediately compiled it after the Prophet's Death. NONE of the four Caliphs compiled ANY Hadiths.

When the third Caliph distributed authorized copies of the Qur'an to various parts of the Muslim World; places where people had not even seen the Prophet, let alone learn from him, did he send them Hadith compilations?? NO! He sent them ONLY and ONLY the Qur'an to follow.

It wasn't till these fabrications were compiled that the Muslim World started losing it's edge in all fields due to primitive 9th century Arab/Persia interpretations of a text that was revealed to stay as a guide for all times.

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Quran (Surah Al-Baqqara, Surah #2, Verse No: 143)

Thus have We made of you an Ummah justly balanced that ye might be witnesses over the nations and the Apostle a witness over yourselves; and We appointed the Qiblah to which thou wast used only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who would turn on their heels (from the faith). Indeed it was (a change) momentous except to those guided by Allah. And never would Allah make your faith of no effect. For Allah is to all people most surely full of kindness Most Merciful.

Following the Prophet (pbuh) is a MUST in Islam....
and since we have not seen him with our very own eyes, we have to follow the Hadith compiled by those Righteous people who spent a life-time of dedicated work to get the most authentic Hadith....

"Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith." **Quran(3:147)

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[quote]
Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
When the third Caliph distributed authorized copies of the Qur'an to various parts of the Muslim World; places where people had not even seen the Prophet, let alone learn from him, did he send them Hadith compilations?? He sent them ONLY and ONLY the Qur'an to follow.

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Pakistaniabroad: Did you really read the Qur'an?
I asked this question because even a commonreader of Qur'an would know this simple thing described in this great book of Allah (SWT) that "Attee-u-Allah ha Wa- atee-u-Rasool" (SAW).
When Qur'an itself says that obey Allah and his Prophet Muhammad (SAW), does not it click that Obeying Allah means: follow the guidance given to us By Allah (SWT) in his great Book and by Obeying Allah's Prophet means: Follow the saying and acts of Prophet Muhammad (SAW). And this order to the Muslims is In the Qur'an.

To answer to your questions that why they did not distribute the books of Ahadiths to the far living tribes. It was because each and every companion of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was a true symbol of Islamic way of life. So by having Qur'an in their hands and practicing the way of life according the Sunah, these companions were distributing both, the Qur'an and the Hadith to the rest of the world.

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Quote: Ibrahim

If you are talking about current times, ask the Indians in India who is at the forefront of their nuclear development programs

We all know the contributions of Muslims for science and technology, but I am specifying the Arab World.

In India there were great men in science and technology even before APJ and also we know the contributions of Indians like the invention of "Zero", "Phi" and other astrological calculations.

I would like to ask current day where does the muslim world (specifically the Arab world) stand vis-a-vis science and technology.

Blaming the europeans that they stole away your knowledge is wrong. It is your inability to pursue in scientific thought that has led to today's dismal state.

Everything from detergents to medicines, from needles to computers, the arab world is dependent on the West. Inspite of having the richest wealth in the world, they are in a pathetic stage, Why??? They do not have any patents, or any research or pathbreaking innovations. Why???
My reasons are that they have just laid back and lost the initiative. They were basking in the old glory and were just happy to let things go by.

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Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Victory me dear, to understand this, one actually needs the use of our brains and it is not too difficult , if you tried

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You see God established some people to be the boss and others to be the servants because of what their own hands could be doing in some cases.

In the case of the Arabs they have been blessed as promised to their father (prophet Ibrahim [as])

Instead of they doing the work, fools like us study and work our butts to end up serving them thinking we are wise.

simply because they were assigned to preach the message from God ( although they are grossly failing these days) and others have been assigned to serve God by doing the needful.

Did you not see how many Indians will give a hand or leg to go and work for an Arab in Arabia?

Don’t you realize they need not know anything except the knowledge of their Creator and God will make their lives easy for them whereas you have to know how to serve in order to get your earnings?

And how do we prove this?

We read

Isaiah 21:13 ** The burden upon Arabia.** In the forest in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye traveling companies of Dedanim.

Ibrahim says: Indeed Arabia has a burden and that was foretold even to the Jews and Christians but wait how about the hindus, were they left in the dark?

Lets read!

The first is in Bhavishya Purana Parv 3, Khand 3, Adhya 3, Shalok 5-8:

  1. "Just then, an illiterate roan with the epithet ** ‘Teacher’, Muhammad by name,** came along with his companions.

  2. Raja (Bhoja in a vision) to that Great Deva the denizen of Arabia, purifying with the Ganges water and with the five things of cow offered sandal wood, and pay worship to bin).

  3. ** O denizen of Arabia and Lord of the Holies, to thee is my adoration.** O thou who has found many ways and means to destroy the devils of the world.

  4. ** O pure one from among the illiterates,** O sinless One, the Spirit of Truth and absolute master to thee is my adoration. Accept me at thy feet.

Atharva Veda, Kanda 20, Sukta 127, Mantra 1-2:

1 "O people, ** ‘the man of praise’ (which translates to Muhammad in Arabic)** will be raised among the people.

2 We take the emigrant in our shelter from sixty thousand and ninety enemies whose conveyances are twenty camels and she-camels, whose loftiness of position touches the heaven and lowers it."

Ibrahim says: how about the Zoroastrians were they left in the dark?

In the Dasatir, No. 14, it reads, in translation from the original Pahlavi and modern rendered Persian, as follows:

“When the Persians should sink so low in morality, ** a man will be born in Arabia, ** whose followers will upset their thrones, religion, and everything. The mighty stiff necked ones of Persia will be overpowered. The House which was built and in which many idols have place will be purged of idols and the people will offer their prayers facing it. His followers will capture the towns of the Parsis Tus and other large places around these. People will embroil with one another. The wise men of Persia and others will join his followers.”

Ibrahim says: Thus my dear victory ** the Arabs were a blessed people but that does not mean all of them are behaving themselves in our current times but some of them are the most humble beings on this planet even this day** and for that reason others have ended up serving them as a whole. ** They need not work , their burden is to preach Islam,** if they failed God will assign another to their work and remove the glory from them.

Regards
Ibrahim

** Doctors have no knowledge of the channel that runs from the ear to the soul, and the one that runs from the soul to the tongue . Do you? Ask the learned Arabs, they know what you know not! **

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ibrahim read about the problem saudi youngsters face
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/11/international/middleeast/11SAUD.html