From a recent study carried out by ReliefWeb across 30 Kashmiri villages…
“Respondents reported frequent direct confrontations with violence since the start of conflict, including exposure to crossfire (85.7%), round up raids (82.7%), the witnessing of torture (66.9%), rape (13.3%), and self-experience of forced labour (33.7%), arrests/kidnapping (16.9%), torture (12.9%), and sexual violence (11.6%). Males reported more confrontations with violence than females, and had an increased likelihood of having directly experienced physical/mental maltreatment (OR 3.9, CI: 2.7-5.7), violation of their modesty (OR 3.6, CI: 1.9-6.8) and injury (OR 3.5, CI: 1.4-8.7). Males also had high odds of self-being arrested/ kidnap (OR 8.0, CI: 4.1-15.5).”
It is a sign of the change in times … you have to dig out old material on “current” situation in Kashmir … Anyhow … as the report reflects, it is the result of voilence by the parties involved. As everyone is becoming painfully aware, wherever you have militant / armed struggle, it is the comman man that is the ultimate sufferer.
Militants have been waging a deadly separatist revolt against Indian rule in this Himalayan state for nearly 20 years and regard youngsters trying out for the Indian army as traitors to the cause.
They have issued death threats against recruits and said their property will be ‘confiscated.’ Rebels have killed or maimed local army and police recruits and their relatives and slain those they believed were army informants.
‘I’m optimistic I’ll get the job. I want it,’ said Shakeel Ahanger, a 20-year-old in the final year of school.
‘I’ve no fear. Once I’m selected, I can take care of myself and my family,’ he said, panting heavily after running two kilometres as part of the trials.
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
please keep your facts straight. This is not old material, the thread was posted within a week of the publication of this report. furthermore the report itself is approximately six months old. generally statistics such as these are collected annually.
Finally please avoid derailing the topic. Specific statistics dealing with demographics should not be countered with anecdotal articles about some young people in Indian Occupied Kashmir joining the army. There is a minimum standard of relevance, after which what you write effectively becomes a non-sequiter. From the perspective of a debate, you might as well come in here and write "atleast 20 Kashmiri women knitted bedsheets last year", provide references from that (from Pakistani sources) and be just as on-point.
Once again, to emphasise, the topic alleges a high percentage of Kashmiris in IOK are torture and sexual assualt victims. Please address this specific topic, and avoid bringing in other, even interesting human interest stories relating to Kashmir.
please keep your facts straight. This is not old material, the thread was posted within a week of the publication of this report. furthermore the report itself is approximately six months old. generally statistics such as these are collected annually.
Thanks.
Last six months have seen a sea change in the ground realities in Kashmir ... if you want to diregard that the that is your perogative......
The report mentioned above talks about the level of violence suffered by the local populance due to the conditions prevailing in Kashmir ...... It mentions all the parties involved i Kashmir as being responsible for this violence. As much you would like to put the blame squarely on the door of Indian army, this report does not come to such a conclusion.
Remember the Indian army is active in Kashmir due to the situation created by militant groups. Other wise since '47 till '89 there were hardly any incidents of violence involving the Indian army.
The situation in Kashmir is no different from similar situations in other countries in the region suffereing from miltantancy. Even today there are areas in the south asian region where the national armies are fighting groups militarily and in the process local populance is getting effected. The reactions of Tamil civilians in Sri lanka and the ethnic groups closer home will be no different from the reaction of the Kashmiris !!!!
But as i said, all that is changing and the people on Kashmir have realized that they have been used as cannon fodder in a struggle that is being fought in their name. So the common people in Kashmir are taking their destiny in their own hands ..... they are looking after their welfare as the young men in this report have done. The recent elections in Kashmir, with a heavy turnout, has sent a clear message to the "players" in Kashmir ........
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
Thank you, that is much more specific to the topic. You say these statistics have changed in the last six months. I will let the posters in the thread address this point, I merely wish to keep the discussion on track.
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
First off, it is not extraordinary for journal publications to lag significantly behind data collection. as a researcher, i know that fact for journal publications, especially in good journals (and thisseems like a pretty good journal). the journal paper was published in 2008, and represents the most recent scientific standard research about the area. secondly, given the paucity of data collection in the area, it is unlikely that you will find a more recent comparable quality research to support an argument for or against your point.
However, with the positive developments in Kashmir since 2005 (and especially over the recent months), citing 2005 data in 2009 is quite irrelevant.
So, what you're saying is that information is correct up to 2005 & things have changed since then? Even if that is the case, this is gross violation of human rights by occupying army against helpless civilian population of Kashmir.
So, what you're saying is that information is correct up to 2005 & things have changed since then? Even if that is the case, this is gross violation of human rights by occupying army against helpless civilian population of Kashmir.
Quoting Pakistan's treatment of Bangladeshis in 1971 and implying that is how things are in 2009 will not be correct, will it ?
At the very least, the title of this thread should be "Kashmiris **were **Torture Victims...."
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
Unless that 13% of the population that was tortured, and 12% of the population that was sexually abused died (a highly unlikely prospect in 4 years, even in Indian Occupied Kashmir), the correct title is that they are victims.
Furthermore the scientific validity of demograpy-wide data thats 4 years old, compared to 40 years old, is very different. Please dont draw equivalence between the two
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
^ In your quest to make this a purely empirical exercise, dont forget that the situation in Kashmir is quite different in 2009 compared to 2005. Even 4 year old data in this case is as useful or useless as 40 year old data, since ground realities have changed significantly.
The OP is not trying to provide historical perspective here. He is using the study as a reflection of the current situation, which is factually incorrect.
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
there is no question of the historicity of this. it would be a historical statistic if the victims were all dead, or even mostly dead. they are alive. therefore they are current victims of torture and sexual assault. given that these are all current torture and sexual assault victims, even if the situation had drastically changed, that would still not make the data the same as 40 year old data.
there is the question of justice for 12% of sexual assault victims of the whole damn population. how can you say thats a historical fact with no current relevance?
Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
^ Let me try again -
[QUOTE] The OP is not trying to provide historical perspective here. He is using the study as a reflection of the current situation, which is factually incorrect
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Re: Study Finds 13% of Kashmiris are Torture Victims, 12% Victims of Sexual Violence
on what basis do you say that she is using the study for the purpose you say? and once again 13% current torture victims and 12% current sexual assault victims is by NO means a historical perspective. it is very much a current situation for the victims of these crimes.
