Students raid Islamabad brothel

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

The verse from the Quran seems pretty much clear cut on the required criterion for proving a zina allegation. I'd like to see any other "shariah" ruling on this, and if there is it will only show how very often Muslims can come up with "Islamic law" that very blatantly contradicts direct rulings from Allah, and then call it shariah.

i believe Islam treats social evils very differently from personal sin. Allah is "sattar-ul-uyoob", the Hider of ugliness. If you are engaging in this stuff so publicly that people are able to produce 4 witnesses then you arent doing wrong in the privacy of your home, and that then becomes the Government's business.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

merci mon ami

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Do not accuse me of something I have not done. I did not wrote (neither showed such attutude) that I know shariah better than anyone or other knows shariah better than me. I am not ignorant. If I would have been ignorant, I would have written something and would have expected all to accept that (as what some would like to do). But did I? That attitude could be yours not mine. If I wrote anything, I argued and that is my opinion.

Rest regarding Islamic laws, or what is in Islam, I mostly quoted Quran and if desired Hadith. Thus, if you do not agree, you can argue with Allah not me, as Quran is words of Allah. Or can argue on hadith, thats all, again not with me,

Nevertheless, Quran is message of Allah to all Muslims and that includes me. I do not believe like Kafirs, ignorants and Christians that they follow what some idiots claiming to be master of their religion says or explain their religion for them. My Islam is not dependent on their explanation. I have made enough effort in my life to learn Islam, as after death I will be responsible of my faith, not others (like Christians, kafirs and ignornats believe).

Nevertheless, if I ever wrote anything or quoted anything regarding Shariah, I gave arguments and reference of Quran or/and hadith on that.

You do not have to believe what I wrote, but do not be ignorant to not use your intelligence on the argument or ignore what is written in Quran or/and hadith that are quoted.

After you read what is written, used your intelligence too, and read quotes from Quran and hadith, then come and say anything arguing on that basis, with your understanding. Again when I wrote about using your intelligence, I wrote becasue that is what Allah has directed all in Quran to do, use Allah given intelligence to know and understand truth.

For instance, ignore everything what I wrote: Read surah 24, ayah 4: Then YOU tell us what you understand what Allah says in the ayah (I mean, not me, but Allah, as Quran is words of Allah). For your ease, here is surah 24: ayah 4.

Do not say that you are ignorant and could not understand simple translation of Quran or what is there in hadith. If any doubt, look at other translations of Quran too, or if you want to, you can read the Arabic yourself and see what is written there).

Surah 24, ayah 4:**
YUSUFALI:** And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;

Hence, forget what I wrote anywhere, read ayah above and I hope ayah would explain you what Allah says about the matter. Read whole of surah 24 and all ayahs in that surah. Well, if you could not read and still argue, then before arguing, decide yourself who is ignorant.

If you want to read number of Hadiths that is related to the matter, I have put many of them in my post that I quoted earlier. Again none of that hadith is mine, it is from Bukhari, Muslim, Muwatta and others).

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Once again ISI and the lotas coddling mullahs.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\04\11\story_11-4-2007_pg1_2
Intelligence agencies oppose Lal Masjid crackdown

ISLAMABAD: Ministers and intelligence bosses voiced opposition to a crackdown on students of Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Fareedia and the Lal Masjid administration for political and security reasons, at a meeting on Monday, Daily Times has learnt.

Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao told the meeting, chaired by President Gen Pervez Musharraf at Army House, that the government could not afford the use of force against madrassa students since general elections were near.

The intelligence bosses maintained that a crackdown would create a law and order situation in Islamabad and would strengthen extremists in the country.

Javed Iqbal Cheema, director general of the National Crisis Management Cell, also opposed the use of force, “because we are already confronting difficult situations in Waziristan and Balochistan,” according to the sources.

Sources said that almost all meeting participants - which included Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, Law Minister Wasi Zafar and Information Minister Muhammad Ali Durrani - opposed a crackdown on madrassa students.

Sources said that the president had approved a strategy for a crackdown in case negotiations failed. naveed siddiqui

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

I agree with you on this one. When it is a personal sin it should be treated differently, but running a brothel is NOT a personal sin, it a social evil, hence i don't think this 4 witnesses seeing the act applies in this case. But i won't go any further on this as i must get more info about this b4 making any judgements.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

I beg to differ, the brothel works with people who carry out zina bil raza and to prove zina bil raza 4 witnesses are the requirement.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

And today the govt has decided to give in again and opted to have the demoloshed Mosques REBUILT! Im totally sick of the govt...
They have no problem atacking women, innocent citizens, news channels... But when their authority is truly tested, they are cowards...
Its a govt of cowards... They have no quams attacking the weak, even women arent exempt from the state rough treatment, but mullahs make them piss their pants.
Disgusting...

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

^It just shows that demolishen of mosques was wrong to begin with. There was no contsruction plan at site of these mosques. What a joke all this has been.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

in madina...a woman lives which everyone knows that she is adulter....but no one could provide any proofs against her....prophet(pbuh)...once said that...if there is not the law of allah of witnesses ...then i should stone her.....but since no proof...so i cannot do that.....

this hadees is quoted in tafheem ul quran by muoulana syed abul aala maudoodi....

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Ghazi hints at using guns if operation launched at Lal Masjid

ISLAMABAD: Lal Masjid has guns on the premises and will defend itself if the government attempts a crackdown, Maulana Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the Naib Khateeb of the mosque said on Wednesday. “If it comes to a do-or-die situation we will use our right to self-defence,” Ghazi told a French news agency by telephone.

He refused to respond to comments by intelligence sources that the students of two Islamic schools, which are attached to the mosque had stored petrol to make crude firebombs. “Whatever arms we have are with licences obtained in the past through normal official procedures,” he said, when asked to comment on what appeared to be assault rifles carried by young devotees standing guard on the mosque’s walls.

Is there no end to this madness?

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Case of adultery is different than running a brothel which is organized crime and a social evil. I have read somewhere that Abdullah bin Unai used to run a brothel and was stopped. Anyhow i am trying to find out the answer.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

ok, so i saw on geo what jamia hafsa are doing and everything…and all i gta say is :hayaa:…allah ji help our country :no:

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

how does it show that it was wrong to begin with? if they have taken public or orivate property illegally, or they are using the facility for different purposes than it was intended for. or it is built differently than it was intended then by all means the actions of teh govt were right. Their backing off is wrong now, because this hadd ****** of mullahs taking over land for masjid is going to continue nationally by self serving mullahs. the govt just has not set the right precedence here by backing off.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

The mad mullahs have agreed to rebuild the demolished Mosques at DIFFERENT locations in the capital, thereby justifying the government position that the original structures were at illegal sites.

The mad mullahs have also quickly withdrawn their "fatwa" against the woman minister.

They have also agreed to leave the children's library, and disband their sharia court.

Mad mullahs are retreating, even before an operation was lauched. Sometimes diplomacy works. :)

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

sillybilly

can u post some links here, I missed these news

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Hell with the Mosques.. They should knock them down and salt the earth they stood on so not only will another Mosque ever be built there but nothing would grow there either..
What was wrong was building them there in the first place. they are ILLEGAL!

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

There is a long tradition of Pak leader cowering at the feet of fanatics... Zia didnt start this..
This is just another example of this tradition.
Nothing has ever satisfied the Mullah dogs, and yet the govt keeps thinking giving in to them will appease them only to find the mullahs raising the stakes.
The definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior over and over and expecting different results...
That must make every Pak govt ever completely and utterly insane.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

I havent heard about this anywhere... It seems a little far fetched at this point.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

Was there some CDA plans to build something on these sites? Were these mosques hinderance to building some roads or dams or hospitals, if yes, what has CDA been doing till now? Only to reconstruct the mosques later. To me it gives an impression that they were mosques hense bulldozed not that they were illegal.

By the way i have also heard that one of these mosques was built by General Zia personal directives.

Re: Students raid Islamabad brothel

According to this report of the news, one of the razed mosques was 100 years old.