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The students no doubt treated her much better than the cops do to those in their custody (in particular, women). If she wasn't...
These students also kidnapped a six month baby. I am shocked that after that, some people like you will defend them.
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Source?
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This is how things stand in Waziristan. The army needs the Taliban to protect it! Why do they even bother going out, they should stay in the barracks.
Pakistan treads carefully in kingdom of the Taliban
Ghulam Hasnain, Miran Shah and Dean Nelson
It had all the appearance of an ambush as a Pakistan army convoy of nervous squaddies halted at a dirt road checkpoint in North Waziristan, the remote tribal area along the Afghan border, where the Americans believe Osama Bin Laden is hiding.
Lying in wait for them were 25 bearded Taliban fighters in turbans and camouflage flak jackets, riding shotgun on Toyota pickups and armed with AK47s.
**There was no bloodshed this time. The militants had come to escort Pakistan’s vulnerable troops safely home to their barracks. The humiliating truth on this side of the border is that Pakistan now depends on the Taliban to protect its army. **
The Taliban have been in control of North Waziristan for more than a year and have established a militant Islamic “emirate” where political opponents are beheaded, girls are banned from schools, video shops have been closed and barbers are forced to display signs stating they will not shave beards.
Nowhere will this hurt more than in Washington, where intelligence officials have identified the remote and backward province as Al-Qaeda’s new headquarters. Bin Laden is believed to have regrouped his lieutenants and rebuilt his training camps there.
Last month Dick Cheney, the US vice-president, took CIA officials to meet General Pervez Musharraf, the president of Pakistan, to show him evidence of Al-Qaeda activity and press him to escalate the war on terror in his back yard.
Waziristan was largely forgotten until the American-led invasion of Afghanistan sent thousands of Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants over the border into Pakistan.
It is a mountainous area dominated by conservative Muslim tribes which do not acknowledge the writ of Pakistan’s government any more than they did that of the British Raj before it.
North Waziristan is also the perfect safe haven for rebel fighters to prepare for battles against Nato forces across the border in Afghanistan. It is even thought to have been a possible training ground for British-born Pakistani terrorists.
When an estimated 5,000 men from Al-Qaeda’s foreign legions crossed into North and South Waziristan in 2001, they were warmly welcomed by both Waziris and the Uzbek militants who had settled there after fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.
They allied themselves with local militants and began a battle with the Pakistani army for control. Since 2002 they have killed more than 750 Pakistani soldiers, executed 200 pro-government tribal elders and imposed sharia (Islamic law).
Last September Musharraf signed a peace deal with the tribesmen on condition that they did not attack the Pakistani army or launch cross-border raids into Afghanistan. Weapons and vehicles were returned to the Taliban and compensation was paid for losses during the conflict.
However, US officials have become alarmed at a sharp increase in cross-border attacks on their troops since the deal was struck.
In the past few weeks Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, and other senior State Department officials have publicly criticised the peace deal. “I think everybody recognises that, at this point, the political deal in Waziristan has not stopped the militancy,” said Richard Boucher, assistant secretary of state, during a visit to Islamabad last month.
According to a number of Waziris opposed to Taliban rule, Musharraf’s deal effectively handed them over to Islamic militants and their Al-Qaeda allies, and turned the province into a terror-state.
Critics of “Talibanisation” have been murdered in a series of motorcycle drive-by shootings, lynched or beheaded, with warning notes pinned to their torsos.
In the markets of Miran Shah, the capital, ordinary Waziris are afraid to talk to outsiders and lorries entering the town fly the Taliban flag for safe passage. Taliban fighters, with machineguns nonchalantly slung over their shoulders, patrol the streets in groups of four.
Some tribal elders who fled Waziristan have taken refuge either in Bannu, which borders North Waziristan, or in Peshawar. They claim that Waziristan has become a vast Al-Qaeda training camp.
“They are now everywhere. There are Iraqis, Chinese, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Arabs. Young boys are being brought to Waziristan to be trained as suicide bombers,” said one tribal elder.
Musharraf believes his peace deals have succeeded in driving a wedge between local Pakistani Taliban and foreign Al-Qaeda militants. He recently signed a pact with Taliban tribesmen in the Bajaur agency bordering Waziristan.
As soon as one group of Taliban pledged they would not allow foreign militants to launch cross-border attacks on Nato forces in Afghanistan, a rival faction assassinated four members of Pakistan’s ISI intelligence agency.
In the town of Tank more than 100 Taliban fighters from South Waziristan attacked a school and kidnapped its headmaster after he tried to stop them pressganging his pupils into their ranks. In the shoot-out which followed 26 died, including a Pakistani soldier.
Pakistan simply cannot handle the constantly shifting feuds of rival, heavily armed and fanatical groups that have claimed more than 210 lives in the past few weeks.
Fighting between local Taliban tribesmen and Uzbek Al-Qaeda militants flared up again last week after a short ceasefire.
The fighting erupted after men loyal to Tahir Yuldashev, the Uzbek commander who is believed to have up to 2,000 gunmen under his command, refused an order to disarm by local Taliban chiefs in North and South Waziristan who are under intense pressure from Islamabad to keep their side of the peace deals.
There are conflicting reports over whether the clash between the local Taliban fighters and the Uzbek group amounted to more than a passing power struggle or tribal tiff.
Back on the desolate road from Mir Ali to Miran Shah, the Pakistani army prepared to move off. Their Taliban protectors, packed into four saloon cars and led by a maroon Toyota pickup flying the black and white flag, had cleared the road ahead.
Among the Taliban guards was Karimulla Khan, 28. He denied that Al-Qaeda was operating in Waziristan, but staunchly supported his Taliban comrades fighting British and US troops a few miles away across the Afghan border.
“The Afghan Taliban are fighting for Afghanistan. There are infidels occupying their land and they want to make it free,” he said.
With that, his comrades gave the signal to leave. The convoy sped off in a cloud of dust, comforted to have the Taliban watching over them.
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^Disgusting! Countless Millions on defense and this is the result... Pathetic.
What to expect from a country which cant even control a bunch of stick wielding women.
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That $4 billion in US military aid is being put to good use it seems in some people's bank accounts. And this is why I wondered not too long ago what good F-16's will be with the military which can't control their own land.
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IMHO, the government is weighing its options before coming down hard on such groups. They have already mishandled quite a few things in the past few weeks, hence the delay. I don't think its advisable to open up too many fronts at the same time. BTW, even the CII (Council of Islamic Ideology) has condemned this act
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Girls gone wild
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Don’t shoot the messenger*
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=49263
By Shandana Minhas
Every cloud has a silver lining, so let’s first consider the plus side of the latest HDTV special Frontal Assault (brought to us by the girls of Hafsa, the theatrical company behind earlier super hits Chicks With Sticks and No Entry).
Worldwide headlines about violent Pakistani women are a definite change from worldwide headlines about violence against Pakistani women. Plus side covered. Before we move on the negatives, a question about perception versus reality. Why do we tend to be surprised when the ‘fairer’, ‘weaker’, ‘more docile’ sex demonstrates aggressive physicality or an appetite for destruction? A sampling of ‘bad girls’ through the ages is presented below. Women rulers have not been included, though Indira, Golda and Margaret could probably teach all of us a thing or two about talking softly and carrying a big stick.
Salome, from the gospel of Mark in the New Testament, asked for the head of St John the Baptist as payment for dancing at her stepfather’s banquet. In the sixteenth century Erzbeth Bathory, the ‘blood countess of Transylvania’, was imprisoned for life for the murder of scores of young women; she believed their freshly let blood was the best way to maintain her flawless skin. In the 1920s Bonnie Parker accompanied her lover Clyde Barrow as he terrorised the central United States, robbing banks, stores, gas stations and killing several people. Lucretia Borgia, Lizzie Borden, Ma Baker, Phoolan Devi, women have been acting like people for a long time.
Closer to home, the last few decades have seen a surge in politically motivated violence committed by women. From Wikipedia:
"The first known suicide attack by a woman was carried out in Lebanon on April 9, 1985. Sana’a Mouhadly, a member of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP), detonated an explosive-laden vehicle, which killed two Israeli soldiers and injured two more. Since then, female suicide bombers have been employed in several conflicts, by a variety of organizations, against both military and civilian targets:
"Women of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), or Tamil Tigers, have perpetrated 30–40 per cent of the organization’s suicide bombings, which number more than 200. Thenmuli Rajaratnam (also known as Dhanu), who assassinated Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1991, is the best known of these bombers.
"The Chechen shahidkas have attacked Russian troops in Chechnya and Russian civilians elsewhere, e.g. in the Moscow theatre hostage crisis.
"During the Lebanese Civil War, female SSNP members bombed Israeli troops, militias such as the South Lebanon Army, and Lebanese civilians.
"In the Al Aqsa Intifada, women of the Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Hamas have bombed Israeli civilians and soldiers. Members of the Iraqi insurgency have set off suicide bombs.
“Women of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) have carried out suicide bombings primarily against Turkish Armed Forces, in some cases strapping explosives to their abdomen in order to simulate pregnancy.”
Female militants are currently being hunted by police in the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and other countries, and crime libraries in the west feature multiple entries about murderous female criminals. In stories about Chechnya, the hijabi protagonists are called ‘black widows’ (like the spider, silent and deadly), as were serial killers Rhonda Bell Martin and Diana Lumbrera.
But those are extreme cases. The students of the Jamia Hafsa have so far intimidated simply through the threat of violence, but that is a slippery slope. What will happen if and when their bluff is called?
We also have non-political violence, such as the movement by women in the Indian state of Bihar to ‘demolish liquor vends and toddy pots’. Fed up with the constant drunkenness of their men folk, they beat them, shaved their heads, garlanded them with shoes and paraded them around their villages (BBC news story in 2006) till they vowed to give up alcohol. Their efforts have resulted in swathes of dry land in generally wet India.
And somewhere in between there are Muammar Qadhafi’s female Rambos; the all female troop of ‘crack’ bodyguards who accompany him everywhere, ensuring Gadaffi a multitude of photops wherever he goes. And lest you think they be only his eye (and according to some reports also arm) candy, one died while shielding him from a bullet during an ambush in Libya in 1998.
Interestingly, the identity of the individual female militants is generally subsumed by the cause, which they avowedly serve. Mullah this and commander that, general this and tiger that, men who have turned to violence to serve their political ends are humanized through extensive reportage, their birth, upbringing, education, friends sifted through to flesh out news stories and documentaries about their exploits. Female militants are not given this privilege. With the exception of Palestinian hijacker Leila Khaled, Phoolan Devi, and Qadhafi’s bodyguards, all of whom happen to be rather attractive, the female militant is still seen as a puppet in the hands of her male masters.
But the need for substantive psychological profiling is probably not what is stopping our government from acting against the students and teachers of the Jamia Hafsa. The question is, what is? Is there a connection to be made between the CJ fiasco, the mayhem in the NWFP and the purdah falling on Islamabad? Is there a strategy of self-preservation on the part of vested interests unfolding, invisible and indecipherable to the average Pakistani? If there must be a state within a state, why can’t it be a state of grace?
Whether ‘Aunty Shamim’ is a madam or not, nobody has the right to dispense vigilante justice or impose their beliefs on others. The federal government needs to be more forthright on exactly why it has been following a policy of appeasement. Who or what is it trying to protect by condoning fascistic displays while simultaneously proving, through lathi charges against peaceful, secular, non-segregated demonstrators protesting far larger injustices, that it has the will and the means to crack down on perceived transgressions? Mohammed Masood ki tau shalwar utar di, asli daishatgardon say purdah uthanay main koi masla nahin hona chahiyay.
The kidnapping of civilians and policemen by the students and teachers of the madressahs associated with the Lal Masjid, as well as recent events in Tank (NWFP) is evidence of a real, escalating and dangerous movement within the ranks of the religious right that cuts right across gender lines.
The crackdown on it should cut across gender lines too. This ‘Talibanisation’, as both local and foreign periodicals have been calling it, is fuelled rather than deterred by the inaction of our law-enforcement agencies. In the case of the occupation of the children’s library by Hafsa students’ months ago, the government actually capitulated to the demands of the female militants that the mosque in question be rebuilt. With enemies like these, the gun toting gundis (if it wasn’t a word before, it is now) must have been thinking as a government minister laid the foundation stone for the new mosque, who needs friends?
It is hence not surprising that the same people feel they can up the ante with impunity. They will continue to do so until ordinary Pakistanis put down their remotes, stand, be counted, and demand of their self proclaimed leaders that infringements on their civil rights by non state as well as state actors be rapidly and ruthlessly curtailed.
If they are not dealt with in a decisive manner now, it is only a matter of time before they try hoisting their own flag on parliament house. And it probably won’t be a Pakistani flag. Not unless someone added a camel to it when we weren’t looking.
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IMHO, the government is weighing its options before coming down hard on such groups. They have already mishandled quite a few things in the past few weeks, hence the delay. I don't think its advisable to open up too many fronts at the same time. BTW, even the CII (Council of Islamic Ideology) has condemned this act
I agree. Already there is talking of moving these madrassas oout of Islamabad.
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Girls gone wild
Whatever.... I knew Ms. Minhas from her Chowk.com days...she was much more sensible back then, and didn't seem to give in to *that *kind of vitriol.
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So this is it, MAToo’s badla.
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oh man i visited that website too, what a bunch of idiots.
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did you notice the mentality/credibility of mulla? Jumah Khutba suppose to be somthing sacred. The mulla has turned it into a revenge speach.
The heading was enough for me, did’nt bother to click anything further. 
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with mullahs like these, of course we will see the students of the type who are acting like ghundas now.
Who runs the mosque? why cant the mullahs be replaced? There needs to be an area residents based board for the mosque that sets policies and stuff.
my view, keep the masjid where it is, take out the portions that are on illegally occupied land, send these idiot mullahs packing, and bring some sensible folks to run the place.
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here is something for you to enjoy:
Part1:
http://stopdesi.com/view_video.php?viewkey=c4fa56eb1e1f8cbe183b&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr
Part 2:
http://stopdesi.com/view_video.php?viewkey=04a438616ff7bdb3f743&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr
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Why let facts get in the way of good ol mullah bashing…
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here is something for you to enjoy:
These "sisters" kidnapped three women and a six month old baby and confined them illegally. Not very enjoyable for the baby.
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These "sisters" kidnapped three women and a six month old baby and confined them illegally. Not very enjoyable for the baby.
did u listen to it Silly?
did they really abduct the baby? that's wrong .. they should not have done that.. what's the source by the way?
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Ms Shamim, her daughter, and her daughter-in-law along with her six-month-old baby, were seized from their house in G-6 by the girls of Jamia Hafsa madressah in a raiding party from the Lal Masjid on Tuesday night.
http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/31/nat14.htm
Muhammed Tariq, a police official, told AP that police had registered a case against Jamia Hafsa Vice Principal Abdul Rashid Ghazi, and more than two dozen students for abducting the three women and the baby and confining them illegally. “We will definitely arrest them,”
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\03\31\story_31-3-2007_pg1_3
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and you blame lal masjid students from stopping this disgusting whore house!!!