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ii) If she was a pimp, a slow torturous death
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Slow torturous death by WHOM? The State or the Mullah of Chak Chauntalih?
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he lady was offered three options...face an Islamic court, face the police, or repent.
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who the hell gave these talibahs the authority to give these options?
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Me for allI care…oh defender of pimps…:halo:
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haha.
Somebody is loosing it. Now this guy has started abusing others.
Well, pic... I am the defender of Islam, it is you and your talibahs who are defending anarchy, lawlessness and fitnah in society.
In case it is still beyond your intellect, let me say it that every criminal needs to be dealt with according to laws and regulations. In any civilized society, no one is allowed to take law in his hand. So it is not about supporting pimps and prostitutes, it is about the rule of law and establishing the writ of government.
You call me defender of pimps for criticizing those fanatic talibahs? What do you say about Mufti Muneebur Rehman for calling their act unislamic and against shariah?
Is he also the defender of pimps?
Do you know who Mufti Muneebur Rehman is?
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Dude, this is getting tiresome. As I’ve said a million times, spare me the law and order rant…there is no law and order. What you are effectively saying is those darn mullahs should abide by the law…but everyone else…they can even be pimps for all you care…this is the attitude that irks me. And above, we had someone advocating a mass killing of all seminarians…woa…and here I am getting the law and order lecture. :halo:
Law and order is a serious problem across the board…impressive how it only comes to peoples mind when a couple of talibani students go ape…
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Its not that any one is bothered about what these retards of madrassa does. Worry is when they interfere with the life of others.
No one has any right to Interfering with the life of others, even state, as long as a person is not breaking the law or interfering with others. Even if a person breaks law of the country, state can only punish that person when all investigation is done and there is sufficient proof with state to determine without doubt that law is broken by that person.
As for calling someone prostitute or pimps, and a house a brothel, without recognition by the state and court, it is itself unlawful and a sin in front of Allah.
Read Surah Noor (surah 24) and one will see that in front of Allah, accusers of such thing are liars and sinner, unless they could bring 4 clear witnesses with accusation. Rather, Allah order in Quran that if accuser could not bring 4 witnesses, accuser should get eighty lashes (and other punishments).
That means, that even if accuser is accusing truthfully, still Allah does not allow anyone to accuse if that accuser do not have four witnesses and if any one still accuse, state should punish such accusers severely.
So, in front of Allah, these madrasa girls, when they did not see prostitution with their own eyes nor could have brought four witnesses, according to Quran, they all should get punished. (If they did see them doing prostitution, it means that the person they accused of prostitution must have had sex in front of their eyes, such that they are certain that sex happened. Actually it is impossible to find such witnesses).
Thus, according to Quran these girls are all sinners and even though their retarded saviours (their supporters) in this world may save them from lashes and punishments, after death they would get their punishment regardless.
Here is ayah:
Surah Noor (24), ayah **4 **
**YUSUFALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
Without four witnesses against them, all women are chaste. These ninja girls thus charged chaste women and without four witnesses, hence these ninja girls are wicked transgressors and should get punished with eighty lashes plus all other punishments.
[Do not say that there are witnesses, as witness of prostitution means that people must have seen the act of sex without any doubt. That is almost impossible unless a person is close enough to see the act with certainty. Now Allah demands four witnesses of this level plus accuser that saw the act that closely, without doubt. If there is doubt, witness could not be witness, as doubtful witness cannot stand as witness anywhere
Nevertheless, obviously the one that accuse has to be witness too, as without being witness, how can a person accuse someone? And since these girls were not witness, how can they accuse someone of prostitution? Men entering and leaving the house is no proof, is it?
Plus, even if they were witness, they could not call someone prostitute, as they had to provide four witnesses in court and court convicts the accused of prostitution on basis of those witnesses, then only these girls could have called accused prostitute, else they are transgressors themselves and should get 80 lashes]
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this is really bad....it remended me of the incident when the son of kahattab, the unique man of human history....the all and all of 25,00000 sq. mile was walking late at night with the shawl on his face ..disgusting himself to know that anything happening wrong in madina....while walking across...he passed by a house from which arhe voices of a woman and man laughing and drinkikg glasses shattering voices were coming ...he stopped..had something clicked...climbed the wall...and it was true...a man and woman were in wrong state and drinking .....he said that O you enemies of allah...do you think allah will save you from me or anyone else...the man said ...ammer-ul-momineen ..wait ..if i have done1 mistake...you have done 3...allahs say come to houses through doors..you came through wall...allah says enter the house with permission ut you entered my house without permission and third is allah says do not be in search of bad things of other..but you did....
umar(ra) bowed his head down ith shame and saidyou are right....and freed him but the man promissed that he willnot drink wine or be with woman in future.....
so point is ...amar bilmaroof andnahi anil munkir is a farz on everyone...but it should be inlimits...niot breaking any laws and becoming some sortof superman....
any comments...
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Thanx guys now I have two chances, that will be chivas on the rocks. 
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this is really bad....it remended me of the incident when the son of kahattab, the unique man of human history....the all and all of 25,00000 sq. mile was walking late at night with the shawl on his face ..disgusting himself to know that anything happening wrong in madina....while walking across...he passed by a house from which arhe voices of a woman and man laughing and drinkikg glasses shattering voices were coming ...he stopped..had something clicked...climbed the wall...and it was true...a man and woman were in wrong state and drinking .....he said that O you enemies of allah...do you think allah will save you from me or anyone else...the man said ...ammer-ul-momineen ..wait ..if i have done1 mistake...you have done 3...allahs say come to houses through doors..you came through wall...allah says enter the house with permission ut you entered my house without permission and third is allah says do not be in search of bad things of other..but you did....
umar(ra) bowed his head down ith shame and saidyou are right....and freed him but the man promissed that he willnot drink wine or be with woman in future.....
so point is ...amar bilmaroof andnahi anil munkir is a farz on everyone...but it should be inlimits...niot breaking any laws and becoming some sortof superman.... any comments...
Brother.....are you sure this hadith is true and authentic.
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its not hadees..historical event..read in history book...once....
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point is if even zina is happening inside home not openly...you cannot look for the bad things of people as in hujrat sura...shariah does not say to look for and in search of anyone's jasoosi...shariah cannot say you sniff for the mouth of people that if smell of wine is here or not...
hadees of prophet(pbuh) is that he said you people ..if by sin...o something..make tauba ..allah is merciful but if mattr will come to me.. i will be obliged to put a "hadd" on him or her..
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its not hadees..historical event..read in history book...once....
As far as I know......it is a fabricated hadith about Umar(ra).
I remember the same type of story about Umar(ra) in a urdu book of junior school in Pakistan..........when I look for a reference for this story , I came to know that it is a made up story.
And Allah knows best.
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Who is this “everyone” else thats breaking the law! We are talking about turning a blind eye to religous fantics who want to turn Pakistan into their fiefdom… Forget the fact that the women who was kidnapped was probably innocent as she only rents her house out, these people have absolutely no right to be going around playing judge and jury!
Its not ok that others partake in crime, but those criminals dont go so far as to continuously IMPOSE their will on others! These people are a religous Mafia and this is nothing more the religous extortion! Excuse me if we dont want to roll over and excuse these people for this!
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The creeping coup
By Zaffar Abbas
ISLAMABAD, March 30: The primary theatre of battle may still be North and South Waziristan, as evidenced by the Pakistani Taliban’s recent bloody assault on the settled town of Tank that borders the tribal areas. But the events of the last few days in Islamabad are more disturbing in some ways, suggesting as they do that creeping Talibanisation is now a reality across the country.Indeed the Lal Masjid brigade, as it has come to be known, has every right to celebrate. Tuesday’s showdown with the police was its second major success of the year. First its women’s wing, comprising hundreds of burqa-clad and baton-wielding students, occupied a children’s library in the federal capital in January.
Now both the men’s and women’s wings of this emerging brand of the Pakistani Taliban have started to impose new rules of morality by forcibly shutting down video and music shops in Islamabad, and by abducting women whom they believe are engaged in ‘immoral’ activities.
Situated in an area where the prime minister’s secretariat and seat of power is on one side, and the headquarters of the country’s premier intelligence agency, the ISI, on the other, Lal Masjid and its adjacent Hafsa madressah have not only managed to enforce the Taliban-style system of ‘moral policing’ in matters of ‘vice and virtue’, to date they remain in control of the situation.
But who are these people, and why are the government and the security services finding it so hard to enforce the rule of law? Is it that the government really wants to avoid bloodshed because hundreds, if not thousands, of women are part of this violent brigade? Or is it a reflection of some kind of infighting in the establishment where one faction still has a soft corner for their former Islamist allies?
Led by two cleric brothers, the Lal Masjid brigade is a relatively new phenomenon in Pakistan’s militant politics. But the ambitious manner in which its leaders have sought publicity in the last few months has clearly set alarm bells ringing among the general public as well as sections of the security establishment.
Sons of Maulana Abdullah, a firebrand pro-jihad cleric who was assassinated inside the mosque about a decade ago, Maulana Abdul Aziz and Maulana Abdul Rasheed Ghazi have been running two separate wings of this movement.
Maulana Aziz, the more religious and scholarly of the two, heads Islamabad’s biggest Jamia Fareedia madressah, which is located in the woods near the elite E-7 sector on land allotted by the late General Ziaul Haq. At any given time, the madressah boasts over 7,000 students seeking higher degrees in Islamic education. But as has been the case during the present conflict, it also provides the bulk of the Lal Masjid militant force.
The younger brother, Maulana Rasheed Ghazi, known to be a worldly man, manages Lal Masjid. Once known for his close links with the establishment, he is now spearheading the Islamic ‘brigade’ which includes several thousand madressah students, both men and women.
Popularly known as Lal Masjid — probably after the building’s façade of red bricks — it has long been regarded as the city’s main mosque for the followers of the Deoband faith. It caught the eye of its detractors during the protest campaign by pro-Taliban forces in the aftermath of the 9/11 incidents and the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.
However, the critical point came when Lal Masjid hosted a major conference of ulema and clerics about four years ago to issue a fatwa which not only opposed the military operation in Waziristan but also called for a boycott of the namaz-i-janaza of soldiers killed in the fight with Islamic militants.
A number of people were arrested shortly after the fatwa was issued but Maulana Ghazi went into hiding. During this period the authorities made half-hearted efforts to arrest him, while Maulana Ghazi effectively used his contacts with the media for publicity and quickly transformed himself into the leader of the pro-Taliban movement in Islamabad.
The latest confrontation is also of his making, as was the case in January when he led the campaign against the demolition of mosques in Islamabad described by the government as illegal or unauthorised.
On that occasion, hundreds of burqa-clad women from the adjacent madressah Hafsa, all of them b*****shing batons, occupied a small children’s library in protest. And though the controversy revolving round a demolished mosque was resolved with the religious affairs minister, Ejazul Haq, coming to their support, the library still remains in the control of the Hafsa women, and has in fact been made part of the madressah.
Encouraged by the manner in which the authorities capitulated, those managing Lal Masjid increased their demands, and called for regularising a large number of mosques constructed without prior permission. More recently they decided to push the campaign a step further by introducing the Taliban-style police system based on “amar bil maroof wah nahi anil munkir”, more commonly known as the ‘department of vice and virtue’.
Within no time groups of men and women from the brigade started visiting shops, threatening them with dire consequences if they didn’t stop selling DVDs, CDs or music cassettes. People were also issued directives about dress codes and other ‘moral and ethical’ issues.
The latest confrontation, which again ended in victory for the Hafsa women, was also the result of this campaign during which they raided a nearby house and abducted an elderly woman as well as her daughter and daughter-in-law, accusing them of immorality.
The authorities, meanwhile, focused on securing the release of two policemen who had been made hostage the same day by the Lal Masjid boys. The women were set free only a day later, and that too after being forced to seek ‘forgiveness’. All this happened not somewhere in remote and distant Miramshah or Wana, but a stone’s throw from the seat of power.
The situation today is that the leaders of Lal Masjid are declaring victory in this latest round. The children’s library is still in their control, and their baton-wielding force patrols the streets in the area. The authorities keep claiming that a number of wanted men are hiding inside the mosque but remain reluctant to take action. The excuse they offer is that the use of force may result in bloodshed. That brute force was used only a few days ago to crush opposition supporters a few hundred yards from Lal Masjid is easily forgotten.
Lal Masjid is supported by not only the Hafsa and Fareedia madressahs but also has the backing of a dozen or so other large and small seminaries in different parts of city. And their students — almost all of them from outside the city — can assemble at the shortest possible notice, as has been witnessed during recent protest gatherings.
To some it seems the government doesn’t realise the gravity of the situation. And that has prompted a few to ask if a government even exists in Islamabad.
But of course there is a government, with Mr Shaukat Aziz sitting pretty in the palatial and well-secured Prime Minister’s House on the hill. President Pervez Musharraf, with much already on his plate, is meanwhile busy trying to solve issues more crucial to him, ranging from the judicial crisis to Waziristan, and even the Islamic ummah’s wider concerns like Palestine and Iraq.
To them the stand-off in Islamabad may not yet be a huge crisis as has been the case with crises in the past. It may take a while for the decision-makers to understand how dire the situation has become. In the meantime, the creeping coup by the Pakistani Taliban will continue unchecked to challenge the writ of the government and the state. And perhaps alter the country’s social fabric to an extent that it is rendered unrecognisable.
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Its not that any one is bothered about what these retards of madrassa does. Worry is when they interfere with the life of others.
No one has any right to Interfering with the life of others, even state, as long as a person is not breaking the law or interfering with others. Even if a person breaks law of the country, state can only punish that person when all investigation is done and there is sufficient proof with state to determine without doubt that law is broken by that person.
As for calling someone prostitute or pimps, and a house a brothel, without recognition by the state and court, it is itself unlawful and a sin in front of Allah.
Read Surah Noor (surah 24) and one will see that in front of Allah, accusers of such thing are liars and sinner, unless they could bring 4 clear witnesses with accusation. Rather, Allah order in Quran that if accuser could not bring 4 witnesses, accuser should get eighty lashes (and other punishments).
That means, that even if accuser is accusing truthfully, still Allah does not allow anyone to accuse if that accuser do not have four witnesses and if any one still accuse, state should punish such accusers severely.
So, in front of Allah, these madrasa girls, when they did not see prostitution with their own eyes nor could have brought four witnesses, according to Quran, they all should get punished. (If they did see them doing prostitution, it means that the person they accused of prostitution must have had sex in front of their eyes, such that they are certain that sex happened. Actually it is impossible to find such witnesses).
Thus, according to Quran these girls are all sinners and even though their retarded saviours (their supporters) in this world may save them from lashes and punishments, after death they would get their punishment regardless.
Here is ayah:
Surah Noor (24), ayah **4 ** **YUSUFALI: And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;-
Without four witnesses against them, all women are chaste. These ninja girls thus charged chaste women and without four witnesses, hence these ninja girls are wicked transgressors and should get punished with eighty lashes plus all other punishments.
[Do not say that there are witnesses, as witness of prostitution means that people must have seen the act of sex without any doubt. That is almost impossible unless a person is close enough to see the act with certainty. Now Allah demands four witnesses of this level plus accuser that saw the act that closely, without doubt. If there is doubt, witness could not be witness, as doubtful witness cannot stand as witness anywhere
Nevertheless, obviously the one that accuse has to be witness too, as without being witness, how can a person accuse someone? And since these girls were not witness, how can they accuse someone of prostitution? Men entering and leaving the house is no proof, is it?
Plus, even if they were witness, they could not call someone prostitute, as they had to provide four witnesses in court and court convicts the accused of prostitution on basis of those witnesses, then only these girls could have called accused prostitute, else they are transgressors themselves and should get 80 lashes]
God I hope somone follows the above sura and gives each of those ninja chicks 80 lashes each along with their madrassa male overlords!
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Women targeted by moral brigade quit the city
By Syed Irfan Raza
ISLAMABAD, March 30: Ms Shamim Akhtar, the woman abducted and disgraced by the Lal Masjid brigade on the charge of running a brothel, has quit the city for the fear of her life.
Sources in Islamabad administration on Friday confirmed to Dawn she had left the city along with her young daughter.
“Now that she has left the city, Islamabad police cannot provide her security,” said a senior officer of the administration which looks helpless in the face of rising religious militancy in the capital.
Ms Shamim, her daughter, and her daughter-in-law along with her six-month-old baby, were seized from their house in G-6 by the girls of Jamia Hafsa madressah in a raiding party from the Lal Masjid on Tuesday night.
They were freed on Thursday after Ms Shamim confessed to the charge of leading an immoral life. Once home, she said the confession was forced on her with threats of dire consequences if she retracted it.
Though Ms Shamim’s son Kamran Mehdi, a government servant, was said to be still living there with his wife and baby daughter, the house on Friday gave a deserted look.
Ms Shamim was said to be extremely fearful and under severe mental and psychological stress.
Meanwhile, Minister of State for Information Tariq Azeem has said the government was seriously looking into the illegal acts of Jamia Hafsa students.
“People are demanding that government should do something,” he said when Dawn asked if any action was planned against the management of Lal Masjid and the seminary.
Certainly, the government will not allow anyone to challenge its writ, pick people from their houses, illegally occupy government property and take law in one’s hands. Mr Azeem said the management of Lal Masjid was taking undue advantage of the government’s soft attitude and efforts to avoid any loss of life.
Neighbours of Ms Shamim approached by Dawn said the goings on in her house worried them but they disapproved of the way the family was captured by madressah students. They said her connections in police and bureaucracy prevented them from voicing their concerns.
However, neighbour Nisar Ahmed rejected Ms Shamim’s charge that Jamia Hafsa girls had mistreated the family.
“I was witness to the drama when she was picked up. Some 15 to 20 girls, who had already given a warning to Ms Shamim to stop immoral activities in the area, reached her house in a van along with some male students.
Only girls entered the house, seized the three women and put them into the vehicle and took them to Lal Masjid,” he said.
Residents of the area pleaded that the action against Ms Shamim should not be given sectarian colour
http://www.dawn.com/2007/03/31/nat14.htm
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Ms Shamim, her daughter, and her daughter-in-law along with her six-month-old baby, were seized from their house in G-6 by the girls of Jamia Hafsa madressah in a raiding party from the Lal Masjid on Tuesday night.
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These burka clad terrorists kidnapped a six month old baby! How can people defend them after this kind of act?
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Guys, check out these ‘amazing’ khutbaz from Lal Masjid
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I remember the same type of story about Umar(ra) in a urdu book of junior school in Pakistan..........when I look for a reference for this story , I came to know that it is a made up story. And Allah knows best.
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sis....may be you are right... i once raed in a book
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THANKS FOR POSTING.