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Hey guys! I need some help on how to convince my fiance about what I am about to explain. My mehndi is in exactly 3 weeks. My cousins (I dont have sisters) are excited for the rasm. One of them is my khala’s daughter and 3 others are my chachu’s daughters. As for my khala’s daughter, I will be the only one where she will be doing the rasm for as she has no other girls in her family so she is SUPER excited. In addition, I have been planning the decoration of his baree for months. I bought lots n lots of ribbons, bows, tulle, baskets, trays, saved pictures of other peoples for ideas, etc. My mom just came back from India Monday with tons of stuff for the rasm as well.

Well, last night my fiance calls me and tells me that he doesn’t like these “paisey maagney ki rasme” and that he will not take part in the “Chichora pun”. I told him there was no way he could break my cousins’ hearts like that so he told me to go back and actually TELL them that he will give them each $20 & thats it. In addition, he said the displaying of the baree is also chichora pun and it is all “deekava” so he will not be doing that either. He said he will bring the baree in a suitcase for me to the hall. He also told my mom this and my mom told him that she will be displaying his stuff so she asked by his standards if she is chichori as well. His reply was what she is doing is chichora.

For me this is not deekava or chichora at all. The baree that we are giving to him is a gift and I wanted to present it properly. To me its part of the fun of getting married. His mom wants to do it but he won’t allow her to.

My mom is very hurt because she sees the baree as a gift to me from his side nd she feels that he doesnt even care about me to do it properly. She is also upset that he neither wants to do the mehndi rasm (Or the jhoot chupai) or the baree display so what is the point of having a rasm-e-mehndi. Only so his friends can get up and dance and so everyone can eat? In addition, he told my mom that he doesnt want anyone present at the nikah (the day before the wedding) but my immediate fam and his immediate fam. I have a ton of family flying in earlier because they want to attend the nikkah. I can’t tell them no nor do i want to. I want them there. My mom is also worried because she thinks that my family is going to criticize my mom saying why she’s letting me marry my fiance because they’re not thareeqe ke log - teekse baree be nahi la sakthe.

How do I get him to see my side? Has anyone else had similar issues? Am I just over reacting? With the wedding so close im already so stressed and SO SO emotional. Sorry for such a long post - i was venting too =(.

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i can understand how a girl is excited for the rasams at her sister's wedding. i have only one sister and when she got married, i was only 5 years old and that time i dont know all these things and now i always think that i wish i had 1 more sister...

well you should tell your fiance that isnt he excited about the wedding...if he is than he wont mind giving your cousins at least 50 dollars each...wedding just happens once...if he doesnt agree than tell your cousin not to ask for money...if he gives from his heart than just take it because if he didnt want to give but he was force to give than later there might be a problem for you....

displayin buree is not chicora pan.......as long as i have seen...releatives are always very excited to see whats the girl family giving the groom....

is this love marrige or arrange and whats the reason that your fiance is saying this all....

tell him that you like all these rasams and you always wanted to do these rasam in your wedding...tell him if he loves you than he should not say anythig because wedding just happens once and you had dream a lot for you wedding

Salaam ssbaig.

Venting is good. Helps us get it all out and sometimes that's the best thing to do before we tackle a problem.

Some people really don't like the idea of all the rasms. I know I'm not into it and I was lucky enough to have a fiance (now husband) who agreed with me and we avoided a lot of it.

But the thing is, we TALKED about it prior to coming to the decision of not doing anything but the simplest nikah and valima we could manage.

But other people, like you, like the idea of the all rasms prior to the wedding (and after the wedding ;)). And that's ok too.

So long as both sides are ok with it. You are. He's not. But here's what I don't understand. Why didn't you have this discussion a while back? Understand I'm not accusing you or criticizing. But it sounds to me like you've put quite a lot of time and effort into making your mehndi and all the other rasms the very best and if you and your fiance talk at all (which it seems you do), he would know about it. So why didn't he say anything about it beforehand? It's rather inconsiderate to watch someone put in all that effort only to tell them a few weeks in advance that you'll be having none of it.

You definitely need to talk to him. Explain to him that you've gone to a lot of effort and you've been working hard on this for a while so why didn't he say anything beforehand? Explain to him that regardless of his misgivings, everything is in the works now and to pull out now when so many people have put effort into it and are looking forward to it would be bad manners...it would make you look bad and it would make him look bad.

As for his demand that only immediate family be there for the nikah...that's a bit odd. That's usually the event that EVERYONE is there for. The other rasms...even the valima aren't really that big of a deal in people's minds as the Nikah itself. That's the event that everyone comes to see. And again, this is something that he was probably aware of a long while back. I'm sure it couldn't have escaped him that your family and friends would be coming from all over to see you get married. Why make such an impossible demand, and why now when you're literally days away from the big day?

Talk to your parents and discuss with them what they think is the best way to speak to him. And then speak to him. Soon. Something's up and it needs to be straightened out fast.

Also, that comment he made to your mom about her doing "chichora" things. Not cool. She's his mother to be. She's his elder. She is to be respected. He should already know that. Why he doesn't, I'm not sure. But sometime during your discussion, you have to make it clear in a calm and firm manner that such disrespect isn't to be tolerated.

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ok im sorry but you hubby to be is not TOTALLY wrong! firstly the baree thing is a present for you and not for all your family and relatives why do you want to display it afterall ? secondly joota chupai n rasams like those are not that necessary there is LOADS more that you can enjoy about your wedding ! and you know sometimes while doing these rasams family differences occur and last for like forever like all those hussi mizak turns serious and results in a proper fight so why such things be done which can harm your families with their interrelationship. you are right about you inviting your relatives from around the world to your nikkah because that is the most important part and i think your fiance should see to that!

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I'm actually not a fan of the displaying of the bari and jahez in the big mehndi hall either. But he probably shouldn't be so disrespectful in talking that way. With my own bari and last year with BIL's, people came to the bride's house a day or two before to give the stuff and present it nicely. Can you go to the groom's house and present it to the closer family and friends? Or if you can't go, can you send your parents and cousins to do it?

As for the fun money rasams, what if you guys agree before hand on the amount. Or agree that it's not going to be a certain amount, but a certain treat (the groom will take everyone out for dessert after the Valima) or something like that. And then the haggling is just for show. Do you think that would be okay?

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Sweet...
It is a love marriage and I dont know why he is doing all this. I have told him that I've always wanted all this. He's known from the start. My mom also told him long ago that I am the only daughter and it is the first wedding in my family that she wanted to do all the rasams. He hadn't objected then.

Mistral...
We DID talk about it. Not me and him alone but our families had sat down together months and months ago and talked about it. I was present and so was he. My fiance is the youngest of 4 kids. His mother had said that she had done everything for the older 3 at their mehndi and she would do it at ours as well. Also, we do talk. In fact he was in my car a couple weeks ago and in the back seat were trays and baskets. He asked what they were for and I told him they were for his baree. He didn't say anything then either.

I guess what's bothering me is that my mother and I have put money and lots of time and effort into his baree and now he is saying he does not want to do the rasams. If my family and I had known beforehand we would have decided to forego the mehndi all together and would have been fine. However, he wants the mehndi but none of the rasams. This is making me feel like the only thing our families have rented the hall and got catering done for is so his friends can do their dance performances.

Sahar...
I talked to him about the rasam my cousins would do and told him not give something that is too low but not to make it extravagant. The thing that bothers me about what he said about this is that I think he doesn't want to give the girls anything because they are not HIS family. that is what is hurting me.I suspect this because he kept telling me that he wants to hire professional dancers for the mehndi in addition to his friends performing. I wouldn't let him because it was quite expensive. How come he can pay for that but won't give my cousin's something that's decent? I know he won't take them out or do anything for them afterwards. I don't see him doing much for my side of the family. If there is an errand that my fiance and I need to run together and my cousin is sleeping over - he'll tell me that we can postpone the errand or he'll run it on his own UNLESS I can leave her at home. He'll tell me specifically he doesn't want to see me if she is there as well (she is a 13 yr old girl). So i know he won't do something else for them instead of the money.

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So the issue does not seem to be all these things, but rather his approach to your family. I think you should be very clear and honest with him. Say all these rasams are fun to you but you understand that he does not like them. But that you are actually very concerned about the way he is talking about your family. Tell him that you see his parents and family as becoming part of your own. And that you are excited to become all one family, but that you need his help to make that happen.

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Also, as weddings come closer, more and more people tell the bride and groom what to think and how to do things. It's possible he's getting overwhelmed by multiple perspectives on each issue and is putting his foot down because he doesn't know how else to handle the situation.

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I suppose that's possible. But still, if his parents did "everything" for his 3 older siblings, then I would imagine that it's normal for their side of the family to do all of these rasms as well. So who would be giving him these multiple perspectives if they've done all of it? Regardless, the manner in which he brought this to her attention - a straight out denial shortly before the festivities are to take place when he KNOWS that's she and her family have put in all this effort and his disrespectful attitude towards her family in general...that's the troubling bit.

I think that you should talk to him and find out what's going on. Explain all the work you've put in for these rasms, and explain to him that you love your family and it hurts to see him talk about them and treat them in the manner in which he's doing.

If that doesn't work...then you have a lot of thinking to do. Talk to your parents. Requeat that all of you - your parents, you, him, his parents - have a meeting to talk about this. This isn't just about rasms anymore. This is about his consideration of your feelings, appreciation regarding the work that you've done, and his attitude towards your family. Those are actually all very important things in a marriage (not just a wedding), as well as your consideration, appreciation, and attitude towards his family. If they are absent (on his part) now, then that's a problem that needs to be addressed immediately.

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^ I agree.

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Not displaying baree is one thing, but saying I'll only give 20 bucks to your cousins for rasams is another and most definitely not the nicest thing. Why do people stir up trouble last minute?

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Dont be stressed, just cool down dear. these are not big issues. Inshallah everything will be fine . just pray to Allah that He gives you a bright future in your married life. You are in my prayers.

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maybe hes stingy and boring....thats all. liven him up, sweet talk him. i know that if i just ASK fiance something, he may or may not tell me, or agree with me..but if i sweet talk him into something, he will tell me/agree with anything....

if you have told him from long time before than why is he opening his mouth now....if he didnt want it than he should have told you long time before...

well it sound quite rude that i will only give them 20 dollars....your cousins are your family and he should accept them as his family also......

i dont understand when the wedding is near than why there are so many problems......

you should tell him that if he loves you than he should do these all for your happiness....

i can understand that you had spend money and time on all those things and every parents wants the best for their kids wedding

Hi SSBaig,

I have thoroughly read through the various posts on your thread and you've received many good suggestions. I agree with** Mistral** that a discussion between the FAMILIES needs to take place for several reasons. People are entitled to their own opinions about various wedding rasams.......BUT......one can always voice their opinions and requests in a decent and respectable manner. And he has failed to do that. To me, that's like a red flag. Also, he should display respect toward your family because they are a huge part of your life and will soon be a part of his life as well. By asking you to cancel the plans at the LAST MINUTE when he was FULLY AWARE of all the hard work that you put into the arrangements........is inconsiderate and disrespectful. And disrespect toward family is another red flag.

Marriage is a long-term commitment that requires a lot of compromise and how he treats YOU and your family is a far more important issue than these rasams. And that's why both parties need to reach a compromise in a family meeting.

When the elders from both families sit down and talk about the situation...........a BETTER UNDERSTANDING can take place. For example, right now he might not understand why you want your extended family members to attend your Nikkah ceremony. But in a family meeting your parents can explain to HIM and **HIS PARENTS **that you have relatives who have purchased tickets to arrive early and attend the Nikkah ceremony. In this situation.......his parents might be more understanding of your problem and they might even try to convince HIM to be more flexible.

Similarly..........during this family meeting.........your parents can explain to **HIM **and **HIS PARENTS **that the arrangements for the rasams have already been done and that you feel that a request for cancellation is sudden and last minute and you dont' want to offend loving family members who are eagerly looking forward to celebrate the rasams and have helped in arranging them. YOUR PARENTS can request HIM AND HIS PARENTS to reach a compromise regarding the rasams. For example..........if he doesn't feel comfortable with you displaying the baree he gives you.....then tell him that you won't display what he gives you..........but ask him if he would at least be okay with you presenting his baree that you plan to give him? If you can't have it both ways........then compromise on having one or the other.

During the meeting you can even try to coax him by telling him that the jootha chupai rasam will only take a few minutes compared to the "professional dancing" and will be over before he knows it. Maybe HIS OWN PARENTS might try to coax him to be flexible about this rasam. After all.......it's unfair for him to arrange all his activities (friends dancing and professional dancers) and not allow you to carry out your rasams.

About the money giving situation. I feel that if you bring the $20 dollars up in the family meeting........it will be embarrassing for him. So, instead you should try to coax him about this in a PRIVATE discussion between the two of you. Tell him that you would like to think of HIS FAMILY as your family........and that you would like for him to be comfortable with YOUR FAMILY as well. Tell him that a wedding only comes once and it should be a memorable occasion for the two of you and the family members who have so lovingly helped with the arrangements and attended the celebrations. Be HONEST with him and tell him that you feel $20 dollars is not a reasonable amount and that it would be better if it was a bit more. And then you BOTH need to reach a compromise on what the new higher amount should be. I know that you said he won't take your cousins anywhere for a treat.......but how do YOU KNOW.....he won't take them unless you ask him????? ** Don't make assumptions about him yet without talking to him.** It's possible that he might agree to giving $20 AND taking them out for a small treat (ice cream, lunch, etc). You could even suggest that he take them out to a restaurant that's not expensive. Even taking them out for ice cream is sweet and not expensive. Or maybe he can give them money along with a small gift (a box of chocolates)?
Maybe this sounds like a crazy idea..........but the point is to work out a compromise. And you need to remind him that you both should work together as a team to reach a compromise to make this wedding a memorable event.

**********Also, please talk to you fiance **PRIVATELY about his behavior. Please let him know that you want him to be comfortable around his family and that you were a bit hurt by his tone/attitude/demeanor toward your family. Tell him that you both are a team and that a compromise can be reached with open communication without resorting to disrespecting each other's family and calling each others parents "chichora." I feel that he needs to UNDERSTAND BEFORE HAND that he should respect you and your family otherwise he will think it's okay to behave this way after marriage as well.

SSBaig, you need to do two things 1) First have a family discussion to settle out the MAJOR issues regarding rasams.
2) Have a PRIVATE **discussion with him about the $20 and his disrespectful attitude. Since you have little time before the cermonies take place.......I suggest you get started on this ASAP. Talk to your parents about your concerns and ask your parents to invite him and his family over for a **MEETING.

******* I have heard of religious guy who are against these rasams because they are not Islamic. But.........since your fiance has no problems with hiring professional dancers or having the mehendi.........I'm assuming that he's not against these rasams for religious reasons. So, there has to be some other reason for his disapproval. Ask him what his reasons are. It is very possible that his family is pressuring him about canceling the rasams. I know that you said HIS MOM carried out the rasams for her other children...........but how do you know for sure? You did not attend the weddings of his siblings so you don't know what went on and what didn't. I find it strange and interesting that he is so adamant about not having the rasams when supposedly his own mother even wants to have them. I'm not making accusations but it's possible that maybe family is pressuring him about the rasams. And that is a MAJOR REASON why a face to face family discussion needs to take place to sort things out. Best wishes.

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SSBaig,

I'm just curious........is your fiance a shy and private person by nature? He doesn't want your extended relatives to attend your nikkah and only wants to keep the Nikkah ceremony between immediate family. Is this because he feels uneasy around a crowd of people?

You said that he doesn't want the baree/gifts displayed for all to see. Is he a private person? He doesn't want to do the jootha chupai.....is this because he feels nervous/shy about someone trying to steal his shoe in front of an audience? Could shyness be an issue here? You never know. People don't always feel comfortable admitting their fears. If that's the case, perhaps you can encourage him to feel more comfortable around your family.

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hmmm i do understand that he is being rude... but how many cousins do u have? and can he afford giving money to everyone? if he has to evenly devide the cash amongst all the cousins, it might become expensive.. ?

maybe he just wants to have a say in the wedding... is anyone asking him what he may want to do? how he would like things to happen? is he in the picture most times? and this doesnt mean, he's just sitting in a group... some people just need to be asked "what they think"

for some $20 is a lot... if he can afford it and he's just being silly by saying ur cousins arent worth more, than thats another thing..

for me what i hate most is, families trying to outdo one another... how much money can someone give... we dont believe in the barree thing. But if someone else does it, by all means do it.

but yeah, ask him what the issue is without getting emotional. Yes, u had ur heart set on it. But, i dont disagree with his point of view either. Islamicly its not right

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^ Sadzzz has brought up an important point. How many cousins do you have? If you have a huge number of cousins, giving each of them a huge amount of money can get expensive. Work it out with him.

i think she said in her first post 4...one khala daugher and 3 chacha daughter