Straw extends attack on veils (Merged)

Jew Asks Muslimah’s To Remove Niqaab

Cabinet Minister Jack Straw has said he would prefer Muslim women not to wear veils which cover the face.

The Commons leader said he did not want to be “prescriptive” but he believed that covering people’s faces could make community relations more difficult.
Mr Straw has said he asks Muslim women at his Blackburn constituency surgeries if they would mind removing veils.

Some Muslim women called his remarks insulting, but other Muslims said they understood his concerns.

Mr Straw has dismissed suggestions that his remarks are designed to raise his profile ahead of Labour’s deputy leadership election.

He has yet to confirm whether he will join the race to succeed John Prescott but is widely expected to do so.

Meeting strangers

Mr Straw is Labour MP for Blackburn, where between 25% and 30% of residents are Muslim.
He sparked controversy when he told his local paper he asked female constituents visiting his surgery if they would uncover their faces.

He said he made sure he had a female colleague in the room when asking someone to show their mouth and nose - and his constituents had so far always agreed to do so.

Asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme if he would rather the veils be discarded completely, Mr Straw replied: “Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather.”

Mr Straw explained the impact he thought veils could have in a society where watching facial expressions was important for contact between different people.
“Communities are bound together partly by informal chance relations between strangers - people being able to acknowledge each other in the street or being able pass the time of day,” he said.

"That’s made more difficult if people are wearing a veil. That’s just a fact of life.
"I understand the concerns but I hope, however, there can be a mature debate about this.

“I come to this out of a profound commitment to equal rights for Muslim communities and an equal concern about adverse development about parallel communities.”

‘Separateness’ fears

Mr Straw stressed it was a choice for women and he was making a request and not a demand.
“What I’ve been struck by when I’ve been talking to some of the ladies concerned is that they had not, I think, been fully aware of the potential in terms of community relations,” he said.

“I mean, they’d thought of it just as a statement for themselves, in some cases they regard themselves as very religious - and I respect that - but as I say, I just wanted to put this issue on the table.”

He said he was worried the “implications of separateness” and the development of “parallel communities”.

Tony Blair’s official spokesman said the prime minister “believes that it is right that people should be able to have a discussion and express their personal views on issues such as this”.

The spokesman said Mr Straw’s comments were not government policy and he refused to reveal Mr Blair’s views on the issue.

‘Dangerous doctrine’
Mr Straw’s comments have provoked a mixed response from Muslim groups.

The Islamic Human Rights Commission called Mr Straw’s views “astonishing” and accused him of discrimination.

The Protect-Hijab organisation said the “appalling” comments showed “a deep lack of understanding”.

But Dr Daud Abdullah, of the Muslim Council of Britain, said he could understand Mr Straw’s discomfort adding that women could choose to remove the veil.

Labour’s Baroness Uddin said debate was needed but perhaps not in the way Mr Straw had framed it.

She was worried he had talked about veils being a statement of separation - that acknowledged the government’s failure to ensure Muslim women were “part and parcel” of British society, she argued.

Conservative policy director Oliver Letwin said it would be “dangerous doctrine” to tell people how to dress.
And Liberal Democrat president Simon Hughes: “The experience of visiting their MP is difficult enough for many people without having to consider a dress code.”

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Hypocrites, on one hand they claim to be free countries and condemn Muslim countries for not living up to their ideas of freedom and then they want to dictate what people can and cannot wear.

Seems like the Kuffaar are making it harder and harder for Muslims to live an Islamic lifestyle, not only in their countries but they even want to dictate what we can and cannot do in our own lands.

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Who wants to live amongst these haters/kuffaars, hopefully parents’ll agree to move back within a year or two.

http://nadra.gov.pk/images/nicop.pdf

http://nadra.gov.pk/images/poc.pdf

This time if I see a Whitey in Isb, I’ll go up to their face and say to them “go back home you albino FREAK!”

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wow, chill out smurf. He is right in syaing that the veil only makes them stand out from the rest, in result making them a more visible target.
And by the way most "whiteys" in Islamabad are foreign diplomats, and if you decide to say that to one of them to there faces, i would liek you to film it. stop being racist smurf

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Smurf you read it before pasting it clearly states;
"Mr Straw stressed it was a choice for women and he was making a request and not a demand".

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like the nuns right?

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Smurf, Sorry to inform you that Lahore Airport got written instruction not to encourage appointments of security and other staff with beards.

Its not good back home also everyone is becoming "ROSHAN KHAYAL" like Jack Starw.

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yeah.. u can imagine how shocking it would be if those same two girls at the counter had beards!!

Straw extends attack on veils (Merged)

A defiant Jack Straw has said it would be better if Muslim women stopped wearing veils altogether as Number 10 moved to distance itself from his comments.

The leader of the Commons’ latest comments followed his controversial call for Muslim women to remove their veils when they come to see him at his constituency office.
Asked whether he thought veils should be discarded completely, he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather.”
Mr Straw’s decision to step up his comments came as Downing Street offered a highly guarded response to the intervention.
While Number 10 defended his right to speak out, a spokesman repeatedly ducked questions about whether Tony Blair shared his Cabinet colleague’s view on veils.
She said that Mr Straw - whose Blackburn constituency has a large Muslim population - was setting out his “personal opinions”.
But the spokesman stressed: “Because people are expressing their views and this is an issue of debate, it does not make it Government policy.”
Asked what Mr Blair’s personal view was on the issue, she added: “People should also have the right not to express their views.”
Despite Downing Street’s cool response, Mr Straw said he was convinced that wearing the veil made “positive relations between the two communities more difficult”.
He added: “You cannot force people where they live, that’s a matter of choice and economics, but you can be concerned about the implications of separateness and I am.”
His comments have attracted widespread criticism, though some in the Muslim community have defended his decision to raise the issue.
Oliver Letwin, the Conservative policy chief, accused the Commons leader of espousing a “dangerous doctrine” while Simon Hughes, the Liberal Democrat party chairman, said his remarks were “insensitive and surprising”.
A spokesman for the Lancashire Council of Mosques said: “For such a seasoned and astute politician to make such a comment that has shocked his Muslim constituents seems ill-judged and misconceived.”
But Dr Daud Abdullah, of the Muslim Council of Britain, was more supportive.
“This (the veil) does cause some discomfort to non-Muslims. One can understand this,” he said.
Baroness Uddin, the Muslim Labour peer, said it was important to have a debate on the issue.
“I think it’s about human rights on both sides - Jack’s right to say and the women’s right to wear what they please,” she said.

Sources: - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=OCGWQZUC33HGLQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2006/10/06/uveil.xml

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15156806/

oops:blush: i didnt check for previous posts

Re: Straw extends attack on veils (Merged)

A cheap way to gain publicity in his bid to become deputy Labour leader. A cheap and nasty man behaving in a cheap and nasty way.

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First pope, now political leaders are taking pot shots at muslims. World is turning against muslims.

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WHatever Jack straw said is 100% correct.** NO WHERE is islam** is it mentioned that women should cover their "entire face" and look like Ninjas.

Prove it to me islamically and I will side with you, Remember if you qoute Hadith it should be from "Sahi-e-Sita"

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I don't think he's in any position to tell women what to do. However, I do believe that the veil inhibits communication between females and males, and it indirectly ends up causing a female to be less assertive/communicate less/participate less in society.

But then, I know some living examples who don't fall under that description.

Therefore, let women decide what they want to do. If some lady wants to strap a cloth across her face and consider herself more holier for doing it, then I could care less.

But here is what I don't get. Christian ladies will wear a veil during their wedding and the husband (or father, whoever) removes it for her. If niqaabs and hijaabs are impractical, what is the practicality of the wedding veil?

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I think it is political move to generate publicity and a good one for that. What they do is release these statements that stir up controversy, news time and interviews where people get the time to waste and ignore important issues like war and corruption.

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Nope Not at all, Not ACROSS the face. Its not in Islam, over the head is right but not across the face.

If you were considered “holier than thou” by doing that then it would have been compulsory in the most HOLY ritual of Haj.

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^ very interesting viewpoint

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ehsan bhai got it. All it is, is a ploy to gain more visibility .. what a moron. if they want to wear it let em if they dont want to wear em dont force em..

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I don't think its Islamic either (the niqaab), and hence why I said if the female CONSIDERS HERSELF to be more holy.

There are freaks in insane asylums who consider themselves to be God, but they're not.

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For those who degrade the nikaab. Get some knowledge on the subject before becoming scholars on the deen of islam.

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^ I doubt you have much knowledge of it. If you do, then present it, instead of insulting the knowledge of others.