Strategic Blue-Print for Pak in 21st century

Hello all,

I personally think that the Pak military has done a great job to keep Pakistan safe against an arch-nemesis.
But I think Pak army can do more.
Here are my thoughts; at times I think they are too soft if you ask me…an alien culture clouds their minds and some think that their key focus should be a foreign eastern country (India).

My suggestions to deal with the 21st century realities and keep the enemy at bay:
(1) Strengthen military co-operation with Bangladesh, yes Bangladesh and conduct regular military exercises with Bangladeshi Muslims near Assam! Bury the past with our Bengali bretheren and move on to something new which benefits both of us. Pakistanis have already achieved this to quite an extent since you don’t get anti-Pak rallies in Bangladesh even on their national day. I mean you hear from anti-Pak and anti-ISI slogans in a village in India when there is a milk shortage there! :smiley:

(2) Strengthen military co-operation with China and good old Arabia!
Arabia really now holds the key. Believe it or not many Arabs already like Pakistan. Many of the current generation of leaders in Arab countries have themselves or had a cousin, uncle or a relative go to Pak to get some kind of military training. More importantly, Pakistan has historic ties with the Arabs which need to rejuvenated as they are increasingly becoming natural allies off late.
I mean Port Qasim is called Port Qasim for a reason! We both go way way back!

(3) Call for a joint Pak-Iran-Afghan defense accord.
This is very important too. India did a bang-up job of alienating Iran in its hour of need by voting to refer it to the UN Security Council! lol! I have Iranian friends who were fuming that day and swearing at the eastern foreign land in colourful Farsi!!
And then Natwar Singh is in Russia flip-flopping and saying that India doesn’t want to set back Iran in any way!!! :bukbuk: - Russian pressure there to soften as Russia gains a lot if Iran develops nuclear energy to fuel its domestic energy needs.
Perhaps Natwar read a chapter of “Indian” history that told him that Mughals had a big Iranian connection and introduced Farsi in their darbars!! :smiley:

Anyway, Pak must also bring itself closer to Afghanistan. I mean Pak’s nuclear missile is named after an Afghan conqueror anyway and so all these historical links need to be brough to the limelight.

(4) Lobby in Washington people like Henry Kissinger and other die-hard cold war supporters of Pakistan (Henry Kissinger criticized India for interveing in Pak’s internal affairs in 1971 and in fact swore at them as well)

(5) Finally, get the Pakistani forces more closer to reality. Get them to closer to what really has been happening between Pak and India. Real, unbiased news casts and reportings and documentaries so that the constant bombardment of a foreign country’s media is alleviated. It’s a start…why not.

(6) Then we can try to ban and limit the cross-border cultural terrorism (rubbish hindi movies that seek to make Pakistan Muslims like many Indian Muslims - you know what i mean right?!) , then all indian-copied ignorant village councils in Pakistan that have nothing to do with Islam but follow Culture and tradition which we all know the source of must be abolished.

(7) Then jail all those member of the MMA (yes the MMA) who visited India and became all mushy with Indian Muslims!! then come all the other M’s like MQM, M-League x group and y group!!! etc. This will cleanse the various elements of corruption, nepotism, trechery that have plagued Pak society and have made it weak.

Then we can see the real crescent and star of Pakistan dawn from the Arabian Sea to Central Asia to China and that troublesome foreign land in the east.

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Excellent post Al Farsi,
may I add one more thing atleast some elements of indian muslims should be able to cooperate with us it is upto us to find them
also dont forget the sikh nationalist and nagaland people

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thanks for the addition! I focussed only on securing Pakistan's welfare via external treaties and alliances.

I completely forgot about Nagaland, Assam, etc.

In fact I have an Indian Christian friend from Kerala in South India and he was fuming at his "secular" country when Gujarat Court upheld the ban on cow slaughter.
He was like its not fair that he can't enjoy a medium-rare steak in Gujarat! - he thinks this is unconstitutional and if this continues, then he will demand justice at an internatinoal level.

So yes, once Pakistan makes strides on the international front, these greivances will automatically come to light and provide a means to expose India's real reason for causing problems with Pakistan - ie to keep it united!

But still, can't trust Indians. And I personally am for a firewall between India and Pakistan for at least a decade or two so that PAkistan can get a much needed break from the silly hegemonic Indian designs.
But yes, why not indeed? :)

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Why would BD and S.Arabia want to co-operate against India? Also, Kissinger does not have any powers anymore

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It depends on our foreign policy it is not impossible although difficult under the current political climate.
But the nature of this thread is a possible “what-if” scenario for the 21st century

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thanks Das Reich. Actually Indians should not feel insecure.
My plan was about conducting military exercises with Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia (nothing to do with India).
Also, if you want to know WHY Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia would want to co-operate with Pakistan and not India - well the list is rather long but here are 2 quick points:

(1) Bangladesh, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are part of the OIC - while it is toothless now, having a vision for the 21st century would certainly include strengthening the OIC.

(2) Read postings by everyday Indians on this forum that talk about India and Israel getting together to invade Saudis. {a word of advice - Indians are not the only non-Pakistanis on this forum; who knows you might have a Saudi or a Khaleeji who is posting here! :p )

"Better a thousand enemies outside the house than one inside" - Lebanese Proverb

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even hypothetically speaking, OIC can never be too great a political force - reason being, the rest of the world needs oil and will do whatever is necessary to get it. The rest of the world has the military might to enforce that. Up to a point, Saudi Arabia will be able to raise prizes but what is the $ that breaks the camel's back (pun unintended)?

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lol!!! how ignorant of you! OPEC is producing at MAXIMUM capacity and can’t do anything further. Extracting crude is just step 1 of 100 steps before an oil price is determined in the world markets!

You see for the last 20 years no one built new refineries but now somehow India :confused: and other countries like China, South Korea, Brazil, etc. are hungry for oil and so supply constant, demand higher = higher price.

Also, if you bother to do a little research you will realize that it is the Wall Street based commodities and futures traders who are driving the price ever higher. Did you see the testimony of Raymond, the CEO of Exxon Mobil to a Senate Committee last week. He said that the problems are speculators and futures traders who make a buck out of others’ misery. Oil companies can only do so much.

And I laugh at your state of lunacy if you think a country like republic of India will dare attack anyone in the Arabian peninsula. You can’t deal with Bangladesh, China, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and you dream of attacking Arabia??? :bukbuk: :bukbuk: :bukbuk:

Remember the last time what happened when you crossed swords with Arabia?? Remember the 1,000 year rule??? If you try anything again, trust me your India will end up like South America or North America - no trace of indigenous peoples - and 80%+ Christian “invader” population. Muslims were tolerant enough that even after 1,000 years of rule, you survived with your culture, religion etc. Read how our Christian cousins dealt with Cortez and others in the Americas and how now no one dare questions their “terrorism” and atrocities.

Wow! is that a traffic jam in Bangalore (your IT hub) because a cow is crossing the road slowly and no one dare honk but instead drivers are coming out of their cars and catch a glance of it???

Anyway, forget all this hypothetical talk. The real agenda now for Pakistan is to purge all the alien culture that has spread like a cancer. I wait for the day when people gather all the Indian movie DVD’s , videos, etc. and create a big bonfire! - democracy - we are burning pirated hindi movies that harm our and our neighbour’s economy.

Good luck trying to attack Saudi Arabia! :slight_smile:

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Dear All,

What is the need to attack on Saudi?:eek:
I think whole Gulf is converting to United states of GULF slowly and slowly.India do not require to attack GULF.We all know what US is doing there? where does all oil money is coming from( Remember all the riches these gulf state have are in petro $ which are lying in US ).and one more sad fact 78% of oil in gulf is either explored or refined by Wester firms like BP,Shell or UCOM so sad:( :frowning: . US is killing GULF slowly and slowly. Recent survey have revealed that Gulf Oil supply would came down drastically in 2020 onwards if this speed of consumption would remain same.

An Indian

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:clap: awesome !!!..

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^ I can read the desperation in your passion, AlFaris but unfortunately what you wish about Indian dvd's and movies is not happening for one simple reason - there are are lot more moderate 'normal' people that live in Pakistan than those who wish for the return to theocracy. The 'real' agenda has and will be set the by these people or the military. Neither have nor will they allow the onset of theocray in your power center. That's why there's hope.

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Desu -

Munnay, meray pyaray munnay - how do you know the tendencies and feelings of a 140 million people in a foreign country?? (I assume you are Indian or even if you are not, in my definition someone posting the way you do is to be branded “MADE IN INDIA”.
Actually this is the straw you are clinging to because you know the day what I yearn for happens, will be the day that Pakistanis start treating Indians the way the rest of the world does.

Luckily I don’t watch your frivolous movies. I HATED the only one I was “forced” to watch as a 5-year old !!! and it was supposed to be “super” hit from the Republic of India! And since then I have successfully, for years practised a self-imposed ban that has worked!

But I really thought that it would be impossible to purge this cross-border cultural terrorism from a foreign alien Eastern country. But over the last few months I have been receiving angry e-mails from many Pakistanis who are addicted to them, ranting that some crappy hindi movie they saw potrayed Pak as villians, bla bla bla.

I have now rehabilitated 5 people in the last 3 years from this dark and dangerous addiction in my spare time! :bukbuk: They now feel much better, find themselves with 180 minutes a day to pursue activities like reading the deceptive tactics used by Indians, losing weight,etc. as they try to start a new life and put behind them the years of media abuse they subjected their minds to. Some are still recovering from flashbacks, and post-traumatic stress disorders and night sweats; no doubt a lingering side-effect of watching consecutive years of the junk coming out of the junk factory called “Bollywood”, “Mollywood”, whatever!.

It’s a start dessu, these 5 people will try to help their own helpless family members rotting away in front of “mujras”, physics-defying stunts, and horny and frustrated couples/actors who want to get it on everytime it starts raining! :bukbuk:

Anyways, my point was that now there is an increasing number of people whose eyes are opening. Get ready for the new Pakistan!

By the way, if Pakistanis start watching Chinese and Bruce Lee movies dubbed in Urdu, then wouldn’t you call them “moderate”. Or is it that whenever any man, woman or child pukes on the sight of an Indian movie (eg me!), you will label him/her an “extremist” or a “fanatic”?.

Whatever happened to choice and democracy???
I made it clear that I yearn for the day Pakistanis (WILLINGLY and VOLUNTARILY) make a bonfire from the cheap, pirated hindi movies floating around in Pakistan and destroying a generation like heroin!..what’s wrong with that? Wait a moment I know what’s wrong with that? It undermines your hegemonic designs; I mean in your mind, when a Pakistani watches an Indian movie or a programme of Indian origin, you start celebrating because you want to revive Ghandi jee and Pandit Nehru’s and Hindutva’s “theory” that “India” is “one”.

Sudhar jao!

OOO! change channel, change channel - suddenly a fat woman wearing a sari with chunks of fat hanging from the sari is being shown as singing a song. Eww!!! eww!!! ewww! This is some kind of an ad for an Indian origin movie in English that is being advertised in the middle of my Cold War Hollywood TV show - The A-Team; you’ll love this one dessu - the villian is an Indian by the name of Rajeev and the A-Team is trying to foil his plans of stealing some nuclear secrets for the USSR. Remember, USSR the country that doesn’t exist today and the country your beloved India “aligned” itself with during the Cold War!! :bukbuk:

So now you know what you’re dealing with right?
I am not a fan of the current crop of mullahs and theocracy supporters in Pakistan who turn a blind eye to the cancerous Indian culture lurking in Pakistan: (1) dwory (prohibited in Islam) but thriving in Pakistan because of the alien cultural hangover! (2) Village councils or “elders”" councils - morons who sit on these “councils” are illeterate and subhuman and they don’t know anything about Islam and they are actually governed by “Indus Valley” cultural practices
(3) Movies that are an excuse for mujras.

Of course not all mullahs are like that - those that aren’t are doing a wonderful job but the some that are, I want them deported to India so that they can revel in their Indian culture and join Indian Muslims like rikvz here!

Munnay, the biggest strategic threat to Pakistan is not from monotheist Christian or Jewish cousins of Muslims but from an alien polytheist originating cultural practices that are destroying people from within. understand?

So watch out, if I ever get it my way, then the Pakistan that will emerge will be the one that will make you shiver upon hearing its name! So enjoy your bollywood blockbusters for a while.

now have your glass of Horlicks and go to bed - you need to be well-rested to sit through a 3-hour " movie" tomorrow :smiley: . - shabash.

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Dear “Indian” (numbe 1,000,0000 on this Pak forum!):

What will happen to all the Indian labourers, cheap Indian NRI’s working in the Gulf, if the Gulf is “killed by the Americans” as you put it?
Do you think USA will issue them the H1-B visas ?? because they sure as hell don’t want to go back to “Mother India”!! :smiley: :smiley:

I mean for all the noise Indians make, they voluntarily leave their secular democratic Republic of India and die to migrate to Islamic monarchies in the Gulf and Arabia??? Why?? I mean whatever happened to the rising economy of India?? I mean can’t Indian economy offer so much that can prevent Indians to emigrate voluntarily in thousands everday to lands where the majority of the population comprises semitic monothesits - I mean in the words of your BJP, the monotheists from the “unholy sands of Arabia” (Jews, Christians, Muslims) are the root of intolerance in Mother India.

So be careful what you wish for - if Gulf is “killed” then: (a) maximum casualties from a single country will be Mother Indians!!
(b) those who survive will head back to Mother India and pose a tremendous burden on the economy and the unemployment rate will spiral! :smiley:

no wipe those tears of anguish and go sing a song in the rain! bollywood style!

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If only musharraf was a member of gupistan :rolleyes:

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Dear Al faris,

You are just too much.:stuck_out_tongue: Whenever I says US is killing gulf it is not about War,Us is killing economicaly .But you can not understand that because you are over smart.You do not even know Highest Oil reserve (Unexplored) are with Russia (Siberia) and in Alaska (But they always says that they have very few ) you fool.Western firms are doing all the stuff in Gulf but preserving their own Oil wealth.:blush:

Secondly please visit India then say anything about India. I know Pakistani do not able to get highly skilled immigretion from west but Indian are doing this but they are also investing highly in Indian economy.
See: world Bank records India receives highest remmitance in world.NRI’s are also putting their hard earned money in Indian ventures and Stock market.:stuck_out_tongue: :slight_smile: Please visit:

http://www.worldbank.org.in/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/INDIAEXTN/0,contentMDK:20595174~menuPK:295589~pagePK:141137~piPK:141127~theSitePK:295584,00.html
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:mtazC58fPaIJ:www.worldbank.org/data/Remittances/1bQuinn.pdf+remittance+india+mexico&hl=en

This is not one side story last year more then 35000 Indian professionals return back to India.This number is continously increasing.:blush: Please visit:

http://www.return2india.com/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3083817.stm
http://www.garamchai.com/Return2India.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/08/08/high_tech_talent_flows_back_to_india/

Indian goverment is also offering lots of rebates to NRI’s. I wish this thing would be true to Pakistan also.

And in last do you have any personal problem with Indian’s geting H1b from US ?:smiley: Yes it is true India’s get 70% of total H1b .please try to increase pakistani numbers in H1b b4 pointing fingures to India so that pakistani’s abroad can also say we are pakistani otherwise their condition would not get better.
please see: http://www.redhotcurry.com/news/tuc_muslim_poverty.htm

Regards

An Indian

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it’s ok AlFaris - you don’t have to try this hard to hide how you know so much about Indian movies…it’s ok. Really. If that’s what your kink is, so be it.

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dear ahbhiinalwar -
Pakistanis do not go around the world bragging about how great Pakistan is while voluntarily leaving Pakistan in the thousands everyday! So it is pointless to make comparisons between H1-B visas issued to Pakistanis and Indians.

But Hindustanis on the other hand abandon India voluntarily and then while in the overseas countries, they brag about how India is so great - then why did you leave it???

That was my point.

Secondly thanks for the laughs there: you read something on “redhotcurry.com”!!! :bukbuk: :bukbuk: :bukbuk:

I am sure “redhotcurry.com” is an unbiased Indian website!!! like the Asian Times, Z-TV, Doordarshan, etc.!!

Finally, if you see the number of Indians on this Pak forum and the sheer volume of their postings, it really looks like Indians have nothing better to do; I mean can’t hindustanis who come here do more for Republic of India by logging on to Bharti websites and sharing their pearls of wisdom for India’s superpower status, which is a forgone conclusion in their minds, over there?

lol!!! redhotcurry.com

P.S: please don’t suggest that I should visit India. Come on, I know we have our differences with you being “An Indian” and me not being “An Indian”, but how can you long for such a terrible fate for me that I end up visiting India???!

I fall sick when something Indian (like Indians on this forum) crop up or I smell “red hot curry” meal being prepared by an Indian so you know if I ever end up in India, I will probably faint, and fall sick for weeks! I mean that’s in your interest because then I won’t be able to log in to this Pak forum but still come on man, that’s going a bit too far!

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Dear Al Faris,

Some times it happens dear comeon!!.You do not like redhot curry:D :smiley:

Now see the records from UK itself:69% of pakistani are living under poverty in UK: -:slight_smile:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4177116.stm
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_11_15/immigrant_children_break_uk_class_barriers.htm

and in europe also same :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4411524.stm

recently we all saw riots in France and in 2003 in Holland.Only because of dire condition of muslims in whole europe. See:
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2003/feb/europe_muslims/
http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=60

Sorry but it is hard to face facts.Now you are free to say all UK/EU sites are biased :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

Abhi

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Please Indian friends why are you posting in this thread? this dosent concern you if you want you can start your own “strategic blueprint thread” I promise I wont post there
coming back to the topic
Brother Al Faris check this out
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disagree. when Alfaris is plotting against India why wouldn’t Indians respond in kind?