Arey bhai… you have ONE life…and it is too short to be taken seriously… so why waste so much time on discussing and arguing about Islam, about what is there and what isn’t there in the Koran… about what the great Prophet said…about what is haraam and what is not haraam in Islam… Jehad/fatwa… ect. etc.. kyaa saara duniyaa kaa thekaa tum logo ne hi le rakhaa hai…
The basic philosophy in life should be.. do whatever you think is correct( as per your intellect and understanding)…enjoy life, khaao..pioo..aishh karo… as I said ealier life’s too short man.. dont waste time debating over it…
You have just utilised the best gift of all -CHOICE. You choose to accept or decline and live your life as you want.
How do you determine what is right and what is wrong?
Right and wrong is not a gift which you are born with and triggers automatically when you see something. The virtues of right and wrong are TAUGHT.
The Qur'aan is the source of guidance determining right and wrong for all Mankind, however only the Muslims are utilising this Great Gift at the moment.
Could you please confirm what your source of guidance is and how did you learn right from wrong in order to live your life to the fullest?
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Originally posted by sholay:
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The Qur'aan is the source of guidance determining right and wrong for all Mankind, however only the Muslims are utilising this Great Gift at the moment.
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Unfortunately we Muslims are NOT utilising this Great Gift and therefore the big mess we are in.
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Originally posted by Old Monk:
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...enjoy life, khaao..pioo..aishh karo... as I said ealier life's too short man.. dont waste time debating over it....**
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..yes all animals in the world do that..but human have intellect..
secondly; why u worry bout religion and Islam in particular..if u dont like Islam and muslims..why u waste ur precious time ..go enjoy life, khaao..pioo..aishh karo ..is some one stopping u from this great mission ?
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Originally posted by rvikz: anomals dont kill unless it is for food
it proggramed to behave in a pridictable manner. there is a saying only animal you cant trust is human
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.. what can we do we r humans and not animals... but i dont know which religion professes killing... it may be few people from every religion do that for their own personal reasons .. Islam is the most humane religion.. just jump on conclusions from biased sourses..little knowledge is a dangerous thing..
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Originally posted by Degas:
** .. what can we do we r humans and not animals... but i dont know which religion professes killing... it may be few people from every religion do that for their own personal reasons .. Islam is the most humane religion.. just jump on conclusions from biased sourses..little knowledge is a dangerous thing..**
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did i say about any specific religen or group? i said generally about humans
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Originally posted by rvikz: china is surviving even without a religen.
there is one less thing to fight about in china
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Is china survivinv without laws? is any country of the world surviving without laws? even cannibals have laws...whether we agree with them or not is a different issue, but everyone has laws.
For muslims, Islam is the set of laws and guidelines by which to live their lives. So whats the issue here?
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Originally posted by Akif:
** Is china survivinv without laws? is any country of the world surviving without laws? even cannibals have laws...whether we agree with them or not is a different issue, but everyone has laws.
For muslims, Islam is the set of laws and guidelines by which to live their lives. So whats the issue here?**
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i though law is different from religen which is your personal practise.
There is a spiritual instinct innate in humans. Every human has his/her method of satisfying this instinct. Even people who deny the existence of a Creator have a method of satifying their instinct. For example in Islam we memorise the Qur'an, they memorise das kapital. We perform Hajj they made annual pilgrimages to Lenin's tomb. We visit the Prophet's(saw) grave they visit Karl Marx's grave.
In China they revere Mao.
Old Monk,
We're not capitalists, we're Muslims. Life for us is not the maximum amount of pleasure in the shortest amount of time.
The only person that adopts that kind of attitude is someone who doesn't believe in accountibility for his actions.
A criminal believes that after he dies he will become dust so he will do the crime to get the most amount of benefit in the shortest amount of time i.e. drug dealer. The problem for him will be getting caught so as long there is no cameras or witnesses he will do any action that will give him the most amount of benefit in the shortest amount of time. This is exactly what the capitalist doctrine teaches this person.
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Originally posted by rvikz:
** i though law is different from religen which is your personal practise.**
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thats the difference between Islam and other religions of the world.
Islam is a complete code of life.....with each and everything defined. Whereas other religions are basically a collection of prayers, some social and moral clauses, and thats it.
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Originally posted by Akif:
** thats the difference between Islam and other religions of the world.
Islam is a complete code of life.....with each and everything defined. Whereas other religions are basically a collection of prayers, some social and moral clauses, and thats it. **
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Akif and others, where has this code of life taken us? Muslims have been down for too long now. How long did the golden period of Islam last? And it seems so far and distant now. And its not that Muslims haven't tried to shine again. Its just that the methods are not right.
Sadly, whatever we have done with respect to our religion recently, has resulted in more chaos and more fighting. Maybe we are not worthy enough to be Muslims.
But look at China and look at ourself. Same time since independence. They are challenging USA and we are....well everyone knows.
>>>Sadly, whatever we have done with respect to our religion recently, has resulted in more chaos and more fighting. Maybe we are not worthy enough to be Muslims.<<<
Hey! No self-pity.
Sure there is alot happening out there, that doesn't seem right. Alot of it seems injust and unfair, moreover alot of it doesn't seem right at all. But I think its not what we have done with respect to our religion I know i'm playing on your words but its what we have done with no respect to our religion. In other words, its not because of Islam, but inspite of it.
On that comment about worthiness to be muslims. I think its a blessing from Allah swt, whether we deserve it or not, thats not the point, the point is that we have been blessed with it, and blessed with that knowledge, and if we have shame enough to think that we are not worthy of being muslims, we must have the motivation to strive to make better muslims of ourselves. And it is that striving that defines a dedicated muslim, someone who is continuously striving to better themselves, to fullfill the teachings of Islam, bringing themselves closer to the nur of Allah swt.
GFQ, Akif and others...
You all can romanticize Islam as much as you want but you can't get away from the fact that Muslims unlike other people take their religion too seriously. Just see how easy it has become to offend the religious sentiment of Muslims... for example how many Muslims do you think actually read the "Satanic Verses" before asking for Salman Rushdie's head...
but that's not the point....all that I am trying to say is that life shouldn't be taken so seriously... look at your "jehadis"-in their death they might become an Islamic martyr to you - to me they just wasted their precious gift of life..from an individual standpoint...understand what I mean....
[This message has been edited by Old Monk (edited July 15, 2001).]