Stoning sentence for Pakistan woman
This is what ends up happening when the Sharia laws are only implemented in half without knowing the concept or the nature. They only get misused & abused over & over again.
Sharia laws should be applied either totally or not at all. I prefer sharia law but not like this. Only people with knowledge and right conditions should pass the judgements not some district judges.
I do not believe these draconian laws have any place in our society. I hope the High court throws this case out like it has done on many other occasions. Pakistani women must be given their due rights as provided for under the Pakistani constitution and under the International Convention on Human Rights.
So u think Islamic laws are draconian and evil?
I DO NOT support stoning to death of a Human Being period.
Well its Islamic law, there are reasons for this law, thought that something ordered by God is right or not is a personal matter. When people know the significance, they understand, dont understand without significance.
According to Sharia law, you need only 4 witnesses (and that's it) to get someone sentenced for Stoning to death on charges of adultery.
Now, the last time I checked the rate for getting witnesses to any crime outside Rawalpindi Kacahri where Rs. 100 (maybe they are higher now) & some lawyers will help you get some special deals!
With society so irresponsibly corrupt, its heaven for evil minded people to abuse the Shariah Laws.
Very true. Although sometimes there is no need for four witneses in cases like when a women becomes pregnant without having any husband.
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If a woman gets pregnant, it doesn't mean she committed adultery e.g: in the case of a Rape.
As the article claims, most women who get raped don't come out because of fear that nothing will be done about the man, instead they will be in jail for life or sentenced to death.
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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
*I do not believe these draconian laws have any place in our society. I hope the High court throws this case out like it has done on many other occasions. Pakistani women must be given their due rights as provided for under the Pakistani constitution and under the International Convention on Human Rights. *
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Allah says in the Qur'an [words to the effect] "stone to death the adulterer whether male or female"
Allah defines the humans their rites and not human beings so to say that this law is bad is a great crime in Islam becuase infact it is the law of Allah vs the law of man.
unfortunatly in Pakistan there is pure kufr, man made law with a fraction of Islam in small aspects which is forbidden! So what Pakistan needs is a radical change to an Islamic system.
"It is not fitting for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision" [Al- Ahzab: 36],
"Oh you who believe! Fear Allah and speak (always) the truth". [Al- Ahzab: 70]
"And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Ever All-Witness over everything". [Al-Ahzab: 55]
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Originally posted by Saif-Allah:
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Allah says in the Qur'an [words to the effect] "stone to death the adulterer whether male or female"
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Please quote the whole verse and the verse number, so it is open to discussion.
And as far as the question of what should be done about Pakistan's law is concerned, your suggestion of "radical change to an Islamic system" will make the situation more devastating.
The society as a whole & the condition of the so-called spiritual or religious leaders is so awful that it will result in only giving Islam a bad name. Just like we saw happening in Afghanistan.
Remember that the arabs of jahilliya were worst and more awful than us and the Sharia changed it all. If implemented correctly it would be the best solution for the society.
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Stoning laws for adulteres origniate from the fine compilations of Mr. Bukhari and Muslim. They were fond of compiling such laws for crimes whose punishment had already been prescribed in the Qur'an.
Of course people consider Bukhari and Muslim to be more trustworthy than the Prophet. The Prophet brought Allah's word in the Qur'an which people toss aside and follow Bukhari and Muslim for the source of their Islam.
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Originally posted by reza khan:
*Remember that the arabs of jahilliya were worst and more awful than us and the Sharia changed it all. If implemented correctly it would be the best solution for the society.
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It was not the law that changed them but instead the devoted, self sacrifice, exemplary character, prayers and the literal upbringing by the Holy prophet (saw) of the whole nation that made such a transformation possible. If it was only the law that was needed then it wouldn't have taken 23 years for Quran to be revealed.
The Sharia is for a society where people are responsible, have fear to God in their hearts, and would not go on the stand for a few rupees to give a verdict against someone they didn't knew in the first place.
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God.... When will Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim world leave the Dark ages?????????
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Originally posted by Saif-Allah:
** unfortunatly in Pakistan there is pure kufr, man made law with a fraction of Islam in small aspects which is forbidden! So what Pakistan needs is a radical change to an Islamic system... **
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If you want to live in a society which is full of corrupt religious fanatics who implement punishments such as stoning to death which is a draconian act to say the least, than go and live your life in your own seperate world. PAkistan does not need this EVIL practice in its society. Islam is a compassionate religion... if your one of those Khilafah preachers, Im not interested in your interpretation of Islam. Pakistan does not need to return to the DARK AGES, we have seen what it has done to Afghanistan!!
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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
** If you want to live in a society which is full of corrupt religious fanatics who implement punishments such as stoning to death which is a draconian act to say the least, than go and live your life in your own seperate world. PAkistan does not need this EVIL practice in its society. Islam is a compassionate religion... if your one of those Khilafah preachers, Im not interested in your interpretation of Islam. Pakistan does not need to return to the DARK AGES, we have seen what it has done to Afghanistan!!
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Your right on the Mark bro. In Pakistan, people use these idiot laws to extract revenge. They make up false accusations and bribe everyone they can think of to get away with it. Lets see what all these Fundamentalist types say when they see their own lives destroyed by their fellow muslims who use our backwards system against them.
Ahmadi Sharia means the way. When talk of Sharia comes up people think of only onething death. None else. Sharia is much deeper subject and not just stoning to death.
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Originally posted by Dil he Pakistani:
** If you want to live in a society which is full of corrupt religious fanatics who implement punishments such as stoning to death which is a draconian act to say the least, than go and live your life in your own seperate world. PAkistan does not need this EVIL practice in its society. Islam is a compassionate religion... if your one of those Khilafah preachers, Im not interested in your interpretation of Islam. Pakistan does not need to return to the DARK AGES, we have seen what it has done to Afghanistan!!
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So u r saying that the laws of Allah are draconian and Medieval. So what do u wanna do about that. Reform Islam.
Adnan i agree with u. Their r corrupt Mullahs here in our country but if Sharia is implemented in the right way, it would be better for society. Misusing of these laws are itself a disrespect to Islam whether by Mullahs or Liberals.