Well, I decided to make a different thread for this.
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what type of stem cell research?
Re: Stem Cell Research, Morals and Religion
what type of stem cell research?
All types. Esp the controversial ones :p
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The only reason such a barrier can exist if knowledge beyond that will enable us to directly challenge Allah SWT, NAUZUBILLAH!
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See that is what I am talking about ..the knowledge that could make us challenge Allah (nauzubillah) ..what we aren't supposed to know ..like life after death, creation of universe and life itself.
With stem cell research all we are doing is looking for a way ahead in curing diseases, hereditary disorders...just minimising sufferings of human beings ..which makes it quite morally correct IMO
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See that is what I am talking about ..the knowledge that could make us challenge Allah (nauzubillah) ..what we aren't supposed to know ..like life after death, creation of universe and life itself.
I believe that the very notion that we can challenge Allah SWT is laughable. Its no big deal if we could create life from a rock. The knowledge of Allah SWT is Unlimited and Supreme.
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All types. Esp the controversial ones :p
as long as no one is hurt or dead it should be okay ethically.
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as long as no one is hurt or dead it should be okay ethically.
Two questions: 1) Do you count an embryo as *someone? *
2) Would you disagree with the sacrifice of a few hundred (or even a few thousand) for the greater good of mankind? For the good of BILLIONS of people?
The example of soldiers comes to mind. The people who lay down their lives in the defense of their countrymen.
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I believe that the very notion that we can challenge Allah SWT is laughable. Its no big deal if we could create life from a rock. The knowledge of Allah SWT is Unlimited and Supreme.
completely agree..though alot of people somehow turn to atheism once they have become too much involved in science. They started taking themselves as gods or something ..all through out history. The Illuminati are an example..Gallileo,Newton were all atheists. People start believing science has all the answers.
Although I think science and religion (Islam) go together. They complement each other.
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completely agree..though alot of people somehow turn to atheism once they have become too much involved in science. They started taking themselves as gods or something ..all through out history. The Illuminati are an example..Gallileo,Newton were all atheists. People start believing science has all the answers.
Although I think science and religion (Islam) go together. They complement each other.
Yes, most do. But that depends on your frame of mind. I watched the Universe series on History Channel and I was like "WOW! Allah SWT is Greater than we can even imagine!"
Another person may go "LMAO, these idiots think all this is created for them?? Hahaha there ain't no God!"
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Two questions: 1) Do you count an embryo as someone?
Yes.
2) Would you disagree with the sacrifice of a few hundred (or even a few thousand) for the greater good of mankind? For the good of BILLIONS of people?
The example of soldiers comes to mind. The people who lay down their lives in the defense of their countrymen.
I wouldn't as long as it's done with their consent.
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Yes.
I wouldn't as long as it's done with their consent.
So if it was in your hands, would you say "These embryos can't give consent, so Nah... let's not make this world a better place. Coz these 1000 embryos are more important than 7 Billion people" ?
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So if it was in your hands, would you say "These embryos can't give consent, so Nah... let's not make this world a better place. Coz these 1000 embryos are more important than 7 Billion people" ?
Yeah, definitely. But how can embryonic stem cell research can save 7 billion people from death?
thing is you can't use wrong means to justify a good deed.
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I remember IceSoul when we were on this other thread I talked about elective abortion being unethical IMO unless there were some serious health issues related with the fetus or the mother. I used the word 'fetus' and not the embryo.
We all know that the embryos are the source of stem cells scientists are using for research as they are undifferentiated and have the ability to differentiate into various kinds of cells/tissues like neurons, nephrons etc etc. Now one could argue that by taking these stem cells from an embryo is potentially destroying it. However:
The embryos used are the ones which are in the research labs and not *inside *the womb (out of the excess left after attempting in vitro fertilization). Now they would be discarded eventually if not transferred in utero. Using them for betterment of the humanity shouldn't be wrong.
Techincally and biologically an embryo's heart doesn't even start beating till day 28. Before that it's just a ball of maturing and dividing cells. So it's not an independent living entity. But after 8 weeks when organogenesis has taken place then it becomes a fetus 'a living soul inside' human body.
A very intricate subject though. But what I mentioned above is my opinion and thus my support for it .
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I remember IceSoul when we were on this other thread I talked about elective abortion being unethical IMO unless there were some serious health issues related with the fetus or the mother. I used the word 'fetus' and not the embryo.
We all know that the embryos are the source of stem cells scientists are using for research as they are undifferentiated and have the ability to differentiate into various kinds of cells/tissues like neurons, nephrons etc etc. Now one could argue that by taking these stem cells from an embryo is potentially destroying it. However:
The embryos used are the ones which are in the research labs and not *inside *the womb (out of the excess left after attempting in vitro fertilization). Now they would be discarded eventually if not transferred in utero. Using them for betterment of the humanity shouldn't be wrong.
Techincally and biologically an embryo's heart doesn't even start beating till day 28. Before that it's just a ball of maturing and dividing cells. So it's not an independent living entity. But after 8 weeks when organogenesis has taken place then it becomes a fetus 'a living soul inside' human body.
A very intricate subject though. But what I mentioned above is my opinion and thus my support for it .
you just solved the age-old mystery. lol
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Yeah, definitely. But how can embryonic stem cell research can save 7 billion people from death?
thing is you can't use wrong means to justify a good deed.
Because stem cell research has the potential to cure so many diseases! You can literally make new organs to replace faulty ones (so to speak)!
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Really, really narrow minded, sorry to say.
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thing is you can't use wrong means to justify a good deed.
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Things aren't so black and white.
BTW, my questions about embryos were purely theoretical. Read Enigmatic's post :)
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don’t know about age old mystery 
what I posted was just knowledge of the facts I have studied as genetics really fascinates me. And yes most religious scholars believe that in vitro fertilization is permissible if the donor sperm cell is that of the husband of the infertile patient. It’s the concept of surrogate mothers, donor sperm cells that is not permissible.
So when embryologists take sperm from the husband and ova from the wife they actually create 5-6 fertilized embryos because chances of viability in labs aren’t as good as that inside the womb (again shows Allah’s knowledge and supreme power). But they transfer at the maximum of 3 inside the uterus. The rest are just left there and stored or either discarded. Using those embryos shouldn’t be wrong at all. aahh I think this is getting too techinical 
Like I said it’s such an intricate topic with a very very thin line b/w ethical and unethical. And I don’t qualify much to prove that what I said is right.It’s just an opinion.
Limited knowledge 
But this is all truly fascinating 
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Like I said it's such an intricate topic with a very very thin line b/w ethical and unethical. And I still don't qualify much to prove that what I said is right. It's just an opinion.
Nothing unethical in this. Everything's fair in war and this is war: War for survival! I wouldn't be surprised if the US is already doing all this in secret.
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Really, really narrow minder, sorry to say.
Oh you were just waiting to say that, weren't you? Congratulations.
And I asked how can they save 7 billion people's life?
What are you referring to Enigmatic's post for?
Things are definitely not so black and white so talk to me when it's proved that embryos don't count as "someone".
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Nothing unethical in this. **Everything's fair in war **and this is war: War for survival! I wouldn't be surprised if the US is already doing all this in secret.
No.
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Oh you were just waiting to say that, weren't you? Congratulations.
And I asked how can they save 7 billion people's life?
What are you referring to Enigmatic's post for?
Things are definitely not so black and white so talk to me when it's proved that embryos don't count as "someone".
People on GS seem to have a major problem with reading.
I repeat:
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Because stem cell research has the potential to cure so many diseases! You can literally make new organs to replace faulty ones (so to speak)!
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Also, further research in stem cells and related fields will allow us, at some point in the future, to literally turn back the clock and keep our cells healthy, dramatically extending our lifetimes.
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Things are definitely not so black and white so talk to me when it's proved that embryos don't count as "someone".
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Prove to me they are.