Status of woman in Islam

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There are different Muslim societies - Some may be close to Islam, some may be far away from Islam .The ‘Women’s rights in Islam’ should judged according to the authentic sources, and not what individual Muslims do, or what the Muslim society does

This is the most eternal and unbeatable statement.

Mostly Muslims keep their women behind the doors, marry and divorce at their first wish, haram prevails (among Arabs), issues fatwas against women etc….

Show me a single Muslim, or a unique Muslim society, or an Islamic state who agrees that they do not live in accordance to Quran!
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so Mr anjaan u agree with me atleast at this point rite ??? so y u r pointing out at islam and Quran
and i have answer all of ur questions read my posts again carefully
as far as islamic rulings is concerned SAUDI ARABIA is i believe 80% islamic state not 100% though and u can see by stats least number of rapes reported there in recent past (keeping in mind rates of rapes in UK,USA,INDIA etc)

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y co education is not allowed in islam
First, let us analyse whether male and female, can study in the same school. Those reports which came last year in ‘The World this Week’… and it gave the survey of the schools, both Unisex schools as well as and Co-Ed. schools in the U.K - And the surveyor said that… ‘The overall result of Unisex sex schools, was much better than a Co-Ed. Schools’. When interviews were taken of the teachers, they said that… ‘Students in Unisex schools, concentrated more than the Co-Ed. schools.’ When interviews of students were taken, they preferred studying in Co-Ed. schools, than Unisex schools … and you know the reason very well, why? And that survey continued - It said that…’People in Co-Ed. schools, spent more time in becoming popular with the opposite sex. And besides lack of concentration, they gave very smart answers to the teachers, and they spend more time in dating, than in gaining educa­tion in school. And the last point of that survey, was the UK government was thinking of setting up more Unisex schools, in the country. According to the American report, it said that… ‘Girls in school, spent more time in picking up illicit sex techniques from the classmates, than acquiring knowledge from the teachers.’ In India, the same thing is happening… to a greater or lesser extent. Let us analyse the males and females together, in the colleges and universities*. *All the points I mentioned for schools, they are magnified when it comes to college and universities. According to a report of ‘News Week’ which was published on 17th of March 1980, on page number 50, it said that… the sexual assault of the women in the universities are given. And it said - I will not repeat the full history of that report, because time is short, but the main point is, that… ‘Lecturers and professors - they forced the lady into sexual harassment, in exchange for a better grade. Same thing is happening in India, in Bombay and after your are sexually harassed, but natural, the concentration to education goes low. You had an incident last year, which… which made the headlines of the paper – I have forgotten the name of the college, in which a girl student was raped in the broad daylight, by 4 or 5 students, in the college premises. And according to a report which came day before yesterday, in the *Times of India *on the 26th of August, it repeated the report of New York Times - It said that… **‘25% of the ladies that go to schools and universities in **America are raped’. My basic question is… ‘Do you want to send your child to a school to get educated, or do you want to send your child to the school, to pick up illicit techniques, or be sexually harassed?’ If it is the first, I would advice you to put them in Unisex schools… and there are several of the kind in the city. Hope that answers the question.
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READ IT ANJANN ANOTHER ANSWER REGARDING BEATING THE WOMEN:

Surah nisa chapter 4 verse no. 34
Transliteration
Ar-rejalu qawwa muna 'alan-nisa’a bima fadhdhallahu ba’dhahum 'ala bi’dhi wa bima anfaqu min amwalihim. Fas-saliHatu qaintat HafaTHatul-lilghaybi bimaa HafiTHal-lahu, wal-lati takhaafuna nushuza hunna fa’iTHuu hunnaa wa hjuruu hunna fiil-lmadhaa ji’i wadhribu hunna. Faa’in aTa’nakum flaa tabghuu 'alayhinna sabiilan. Innal-laha kaana 'aliyaan kabiira(n).
Explanation (tafsir) of Sura 4:34
“Men are the support of women as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). So women who are virtuous are obedient to God and guard the hidden as God has guarded it. As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing). If they open out to you, do not seek an excuse for blaming them. Surely God is sublime and great.”

Meaning of the Words
For the three words fa’izu, wahjaru, and wadribu in the original, translated here ‘talk to them suasively,’ ‘leave them alone (in bed - fi’l-madage’),’ and ‘have intercourse’, respectively, see Raghib Lisan al-'Arab and Zamakhsari. Raghib in his Al-Mufridat fi Gharib al-Qur’an gives the meanings of these words with special reference to this verse. Fa-'izu, he says, means to ‘to talk to them so persuasively as to melt their hearts.’ (See also v.63 of this Surah where it has been used in a similar sense.)

Hajara - Wahjaru (do not touch or moleste them)
Hajara, he says, means to separate body from body, and points out that the expression wahjaru hunna metaphorically means to refrain from touching or molesting them. Zamakhshari is more explicit in his Kshshaf when he says, ‘do not get inside their blankets.’

Daraba (to have intercourse, not to beat)
Raghib points out that daraba metaphorically means to have intercourse, and quotes the expression: “Darab al-fahl an-naqah” - ‘the stud camel covered the she-camel,’ which is also quoted by Lisan al-'Arab.
It cannot be taken here to mean ‘to strike, hit or beat them (women).’ This view is strengthened by the Prophet’s authentic hadith found in a number of authorities, including Bukhari and Muslim:
“Could any of you beat your wife as he would a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?” There are other traditions in Abu Da’ud, Nasa’i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad bin Hanbal and others, to the effect that he forbade the beating of any woman, saying: “Never beat God’s handmaidens.”

Source:
Al-Qur’an: a contemporary translation by Ahmed Ali, Princeton University Press, 1988; pp78-79

In the past, some translators of this verse have mistakeningly used the word “beat” to represent the word “dhaaraba” in Arabic. This is not the opinion of all scholars especially Raghib and Zamakhshari as mentioned above and those who are well grounded in both Islam understanding and the English language

Quran: (Surah An-Nisaa’ [The Women] 4:34)
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allah and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property, etc.). As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great

We understand from this some of the translations are not properly representing the spirit of the meaning. Therefore, they cannot be considered to be the representation of what has been intended by Almighty God

Now we can properly understand that Almighty God has commanded the men to provide for the women and allow them to keep all of their wealth, inheritance and income without demanding anything from them for support and maintenance. Additionally, if she should be guilty of lewd or indecent conduct, the husband is told to first, admonish her and then she should cease this lewdness. However, if she should continue in this indecency, then he should no longer share the bed with her, and this would continue for a period of time. Finally, if she would repent then he would take up sharing the bed with her again
Dr. Jamal Badawi (St. Mary’s University, Nova Scotia) is of the opinion these (three stages) are necessary steps prior to divorce. Instead of a man saying, “I divorce you” three times in a row, he should follow this procedure before acting hastily and thereby doing something unwise and displeasing to Allah. The first step would be as mentioned above, to give her a “good talking to” and then if she continued in such unpleasing behavior, to leave the bed (not have intercourse with her) for a period of time and then finally, the last straw would be to “tap” her on the arm with a “tooth stick” or something of this size and nature to signify to her this is the final straw and then if she still persisted in her bad way, he could divorce her.

Regardless of the various positions and opinions, there is no permission establish through the teachings of the Quran or the Sunnah (way) of Muhammad, peace be upon him, wherein one person could “beat” another person

And Allah is All Knowing of the meanings
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NOT EVERY BODY HAS THE GUDS TO ACCEPT MR ANJAANN
ITS MY REQUEST TO KICK AWAY ALL OF UR EMOTIONS AND HATRED U HAVE AGAINST ISLAM ,WITH BLANK MIND READ QURAN INSHALLAH U WILL HAVE GUIDANCE FROM ALLAH (SWT)

Please refrain from writing in caps unnecessarily. It equates to shouting. Thank you. -Sadiyah

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Is this thread even worth responding anymore? Keep posting if you think that he is learning something from your replies.

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well zero01 this is my duty as a muslim

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^ I commend you for your efforts. And I agree with you. It is our duty to reply to these posts. Our quiteness promotes the wrong intentions of Islam haters when there is no opposition or defense from our sides.

Excellent point sculptor_999. And he will never report this aspect of Saudi Arabia. He will report his point of view that women are suppressed in Islamic countries. But he does not look at the other side of the story, as you have written.

He will not read it. He will keep raising questions without reading the answers.

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Still a dunmb argument..you did not read the original post and has no comments on great post.

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Loved your posts sculptor…Bravo! and Thank you.

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Your posts are too intelligent too reply.
You have a prerogative right over others….write your selective reply and I will endorse it. You know what I mean.

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How much a woman is free in an Islamic society…is well understood by the replies of stalwarts of Islam…..in the thread about ‘little Sania’.

In India another controversy has taken place.
A Muslim has divorced his wife on SMS. I have often read that ‘divorce’ as par Islamic law must be given in three sessions.
I do not remember if the ‘three session divorce’ was ever followed by any one.

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Be a man dude. Is that how Indian men behave? If you have courage to spew whatever, then take it to the end.

When did you write your own point of view in the beginning? Just copy paste from unauthentic websites.

Oh sorry, I just for got. You were not even able to defend Hinduism which is what you believe in, how can I expect something from you.

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Haha, this is the dirt of India.
By the way, your source???
Any weblink??? :rolleyes:

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sculptor_999..what do you want to prove? By twisting with the words of Allah? you can come to any desired conclusion. Given below is a very authentic translation…and if you do not find anything derogatory towards the woman…

4:34 Men are in charge of women, ‘because Allah hath men the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good woman are the obedient, guarding in secrete that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is High Exalted, great.

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You will never change one thing is fact. At least you are consustent in being wrong.
And thats commendable!

My dear, your post is useless since you again tried to give example of some skewed statistics to put weight in your argument.
if you really want to discuss statistics of evil work by indians then be ready to accept statistics against you. Say yes or open another thread and I will be happy to shower you with statistics, numbers and quotes…:slight_smile:

but;

The topic is exactly as above and I know you are a hindu/indian but do not keep showing this by your responses that you are a hindu by talking outside the topic.:smiley:

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How much a woman is free in an Islamic society **(no it is understood by the following stats Mr.)…**is well understood by the replies of stalwarts of Islam…..

The data for years 2002/2003 contained in these tables describes the percentage of women graduates in science and engineering out of the total science and engineering graduate population in each country, and pertains to higher-education in science (life sciences, physical sciences, mathematics and statistics, computer sciences) and Engineering (engineering and engineering trades, manufacturing and processing, architecture and building) fields in countries with Muslim majorities for which data was available. (Statistics from the “Global Education Digest” report released from UNESCO Institute for Statistics 2005)

Woman Graduates in Science

Bahrain--------------------74%
Bangladesh----------------24%
Brunei Darussalam--------49%
Kyrgyzstan----------------64%
Lebanon------------------47%
Qatar---------------------71%
Turkey-------------------44%

Compared with…

U.S.--------------43%
Japan------------25%

Women Graduates in Engineering

Eritrea----------4%
Morocco--------25%

Compared with…
U.S.-------------19%
Japan-----------13%

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Gender inequity does exist, but it is not relegated to Muslim countries. Some disparaging gender gaps in higher education exist where the religion of Islam isn't even practiced by a majority of the population. For example, only 44% of people enrolled in higher education in Switzerland are women, Guatemala (43%), Rwanda (37%), Korea (36%), Bhutan (34%), Cambodia (29%) and Liechtenstein (27%).

On the other side of the coin, in Tunisia, a country where 98% of people practice Islam, there were 5% more female students enrolled than males in higher education. Malaysian women made up 55% of the enrolled population in higher education, Lebanon (54%), Jordan and Libya (51%). Bahrain even exceeded the United States in the ratio of women enrolled in higher education by 6%. If education is freedom, then it looks like Muslim women in Bahrain are more liberated than American women.

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Excellent replies sculptur_999

Do you read this while making your conclusion???
Tell me exactly what you find derogatory towards women?
Rememeber you are quoting a full Ayah and you cannot pick random words and point out at them.

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How much freedom you want to see? Educate us plase how much freedom you advocate ?

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[quote=“anjjan”]
sculptor_999..what do you want to prove? By twisting with the words of Allah? (translation is not the word of ALLAH i dont know whose translation it is but translator is a human and human makes mistakes there is not a single translation of HOLY QURAN which is devoid of mistakes remember i m talking abt translations not arabic QURAN . Quran was revealed in Arabic i m not twisting the arabic words i have given u meanings of arabic words which r used in this ayah and which meaning is most probable is cleared by the HADITH i have quoted in my previous post so we have to understand quran, first we shud know arabic so if translator made a mistake we don’t associate it to ALLAH coz if u luk at it again in arabic u willl get it rite ALLAH DOESN’T MAKE MISTAKES )


**rest of ur question is answered by me in my previous post read it again **

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^ This point has been explained to him many times but he doesn’t want to acknowledge it. He does not read the replies and keep repeating the same thing again and again. :rolleyes: