Standing Still

I was listening to lecture by a Sufi scholar who said that often times we will find that when we are so anxious for a dua to come true to the point that we are consumed by it and we’re chasing after it in our minds…the dua will run further from us. Conversely if we remain calm, leave the dua to Allah, and don’t think much about it…it will come true faster. Jitna aik cheez k peechay bhaago ge, utna hi door woh hum se bhaagay gi.

I have heard of this from other people as well. I haven’t come across any hadith reference for it though. But I thought it would be an interesting subject for discussion. So, what do you all think? Is there some truth or merit to this?

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Peace redvelvet

If I were to separate du'a that we ask from Allah (SWT) from a worldly desire then yes ... Dunya it has this illusive nature that if we run to it ... It runs away.

Du'a to Allah (SWT) ... Now this has two aspects ... The first is that we are doing the du'a all the time and it doesn't get answered ... The correct thing to do is to carry on asking for it as long it is a noble and high thing to be asking for ... For the answer of the du'a is often being able to spend ones whole time asking from Allah (SWT) which is ibada, and that is to be kept near to Allah (SWT) ...

The second aspect is that when we ask from Allah (SWT) anything we remain content that it is being answered, but in a way that we might not know ... So to chase it with a type of despair and defeat ... Rebukingly asking Allah (SWT) why it is not answered is a loss of adab with ones Master ... And we should learn that if we ask we do so not in despair or desperate want for that is lacking in acknowledging that Allah (SWT) Knows what is best for us and we merely have short-sighted desires. Sometimes we get something when stop asking for it, because Allah (SWT) through His Mercy wants to bless us so he who was asking would then be thanking Allah (SWT) ...

Of course to thank Allah (SWT) in the absence of ones dreams being fulfilled is the greatest human Maqam.

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But the dunya is controlled by Allah. Let's say that one wants a job and trues their best to get it. If there's a delay, is it really because we were mentally chasing after it too hard and it was running away from us....or is the delay from Allah? Maybe it's also psychological. An example that comes to mind is that the clock run faster when we're not paying attention it. When we keep looking at it, time seems to go by painfully slow. It's just a feeling...not an actual change in the pace of time. That said, if the dua js good for us...it will get answered at the time that's best for us....but perhaps for the one who's anxious...the wait appears longer. I dunno.

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@Psyah

I hope Hareem is doing well; haven't seen her on GS in a while. Give her my salam.

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Hareem is like Dunya for Psyah, so Psyah is staying put :(

Joking Joking, Yes please say salam to sister Hareem.

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I truly believer there is a time and place for everything and sometimes we pray and pray and forget that perhaps our duas are not being answered because it simply isn't the right thing for us at that moment or that it will never be right for us. I attended a dars years ago and I was at a very low point in my life and she was just saying that don't be disheartened when your prayers are not answered because the unheard duas are the ones that will make your akhirat better by turning into naikiyan. If you really want something, do everything you can and then leave it to Allah and if it's destined for you, it will be heard and answered.

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There is no 'totka' to get a prayer answered. I suffered heavily due to this myth perpetuated by the molvies that if you truely believe your dua is going to be answered, it will be answered. Guess what? I truly did believe it is going to get answered, and it didn't. What do you think followed? Despair and Resentment.

What I have come to conclude is that, there is always an exact 50 50 chance of your dua getting accepted. The reasons may be many why your dua didn't get answer. But you will never know what caused it to be not answered.

So, the best thing when making a dua is, pray to allah that your wish is granted AND leave it be. Following it in your mind or not, believing in your dua 'recipe' or not doesn't really matter. If its meant to be, it will be answered - and always an equal chance of not getting answered.

I hope i made sense.

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^Thanks Pwner and others.

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Allah ne wohi karna he jo Allah ki marzi… dua maango ya na maango … the only difference is you will get the sawab for those duas in akhirat & thats it…
when Allah knows that we want this particular thing so desperately, he takes that thing away from us & put us in azmaish ( which is in a way is zulm too but anyways) but then again who made that thing important to us … Allah did … who put that thing in our mind … Allah did … who can change our mind .. Allah can … who can fulfill our duas … Allah can … Allah has all the control over evrything … & then people say we have free will :rolleyes: … I dont get it … whats the point in all this ??? … not giving people what they want in the name of that its “behtar” for them … if Allah wants …HE can make everything behtar for us … its not difficult for him …

Jo jab hona he tabhi hona he Allah ki marzi se … chahe roo roo ke insaan mar jaey … chahe dua maang maang ke …

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I have heard people say that the duas we make are inspired by Allah. That Allah destined you to ask Him to grant you such n such a thing. Is there any truth to this?.....because some duas may be sinful or inappropriate.

As Unknownnn said that it's Allah who makes a thing important to us and puts it in our mind/hearts that we end up supplicating for it. Is it really from Allah or can it be from our nafs too? How does one tell the difference between the two? My guess is that a dua from the nafs would make you feel restless over time whereas one inspired by Allah doesn't. Just a guess.

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Sister redvelvet

I may not have explained myself too well ... So I'll answer again with an anecdote and a story I heard on the Urdu service radio station. That story was supposed to be good, but I felt it was wrong. Rather the anecdote is better ... But together you get a true picture of the real issue here. My friend's auntie didn't understand a few things either and that led her away from Islam ... So please bear with me ... I'll pass on the message to hareem

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Phir bi aap ki soch meree soch se alag hai … Wo kaisey? It is kind of convenient to say what you say … You are trying to remove responsibility for yourself … The way we must operate in this world is to take responsibility and good action, but attribute that to Allah (SWT) … Instead you want blame Allah (SWT) just because the formula of Qadr vs choice betrays your personal and limited understanding … That should not stop you being good if you are genuine that is.

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Well..dua is dua..that is as long as you ask him. He is ever ghafoor ur raheem and he grants to whom he wishes right away. Delay it for some ppl because he loves us to call upon his name. And third is..with-held until the day of judgement to grant his servant with much handsome reward.
So if you gona ask Allah..ask him for whatever goodness is in this world and here-after. I learnt this from our teacher in Saudia Arabia. Remember..Allah commands us to ask him for whatever need we have. Allah didn't say..ask me only this or that. He hadn't put any condition to Dua. That is how beautiful Dua is...

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Alright Psyah...I look forward to the story/anecdote. I am not being led away from Islam if that's what you're fearing. I was having a discussion with a friend who was feeling mayoos about a dua that has not yet yielded the desired results. I ended up giving the advice to stop chasing after it. And it got me thinking about the saying/theory. I have heard it many a time and just wanted to hear everyone else's thoughts on the matter.

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Sister redvelvet

No worries ... of all people I would not think of you being anything but firm and excelling in faith inshaAllah.

First of all ... The story from the radio Urdu service, can you detect what is inherently wrong in this?

A man was really wealthy and he had two servants and he used to mistreat them and one day they ran away from him. They found work in a market and eventually became rich merchants building their own houses. Then one day a beggar came by to the door ... and they looked upon him recognising him to be their previous master who was mean. They asked him whether that was him ... he replied, “Yes, I am he ... I used to be rich and I didn’t appreciate Allah (SWT), so then He took it all away from me”. This is to say don’t become arrogant with what you have because Allah (SWT) can take it all away from you.

The story is basic but problematic ... first of all it sets out to say that wealth is a gift from Allah (SWT) and there is somewhat of a linear relationship between being honoured to being wealthy. It infers that Allah (SWT) will punish by means of poverty those who are not grateful to Him. Now when I heard that story I felt that the man was in a better situation than before ...instead of crying and lamenting of his situation and begging he should have been happier and the reason is based on the following.

Consider a person alpha who makes a du’a and it gets answered. Another person beta she makes a du’a and it does not get answered so she leaves it and continues her normal doings. Another person gamma he asks and gets concerned and asks again, no answer and asks gradually more and more to a state of despair and hopelessness. Then he stops asking and forgets about it upset and frustrated. Then there is person delta ... she asks from her Lord and the du’a is not answered, she asks again, but does so with the same heart and appeal as before, without any cause of concern and full trust that her du’a will be answered. It does not get answered, so she does it again and spends a long period of her life like this ... neither does she get perturbed or dismayed of her du’a being answered nor does she stop asking ... each time with the same intent.

Now for alpha there was no prolonged test for him ... rather his du’a was met and he was required to be grateful. If he was not grateful after having his du’a met, then he failed his test. Beta again she asks once from Allah (SWT) and the du’a is not answered, so she interpreted her disposition with that of patience and stopped asking. Although that is not blameworthy it is also not serving her needs very well. She only remembered Allah (SWT) when she was in need and found an excuse to stop making du’a. Person Gamma becomes frustrated and loses his adab with his Lord. His impatience throws him out of belief and he fails his test ... The commendable from these was Delta, she continued her du’a ... even without it being answered. In reality Beta was not being patient – because patience is about not getting when actively seeking. Beta stopped seeking. The beauty of the position that Delta was in is that she spent a considerable amount of time at the door of Allah (SWT)’s remembrance. What a blessing that is ... that a person can be in the presence of their Lord for long periods of time without being swayed? Her du’a was not being answered ... but her presence before her Lord was cherished by her and so she continued asking Him. This is the mark of the true servant.

So going back to the story – the rich cruel man who became a poor man, actually realised that he should have been grateful to Allah (SWT), so the story ends on a good note !!! That man became closer to Allah (SWT) in correct remembrance of Him. So that his removal of his wealth (which was his barrier to dzikr of Allah) was removed. So the story was sending out the wrong message. Also, on the other note the servants who ran away from their master found wealth ... so if metaphorically we take Allah (SWT) as Master if we run away from Him we will find wealth – or in this case happiness?

What we should realise is that neither wealth nor poverty is good or bad – but how we react to that situation is what makes it good for us or bad for us ... If we get wealth saying “this is my doing – look how great I am” then that wealth has been bad for us, but if we get the wealth and be humble and charitable then that wealth has been good for us ... likewise if getting poor or in financial trouble we start to remember Allah (SWT) that situation has been good for us, but if we start to get angry and forget worshipping Allah (SWT) due to our misfortune then that has been a burden on us ...

My friend’s auntie had her young child taken away from her and other smaller problems such as a divorce from her husband and she said this all happened when she was praying to Allah (SWT) ... so she stopped praying taking it as a sign that her prayers were not benefitting her in any way. That is the trouble in our mindset – we think there is a barter process or an exchange process a business deal between us and Allah (SWT) ... There is not !!!

He does whatever He Wills with us and if He throws any of His creation to fire it is His Right as He is our Creator ... But we know that He may burden us in this world with hardships, but He will not punish a slave who is correct with Him in the Hereafter, inshaAllah ... And the way to be correct with Him is to ACCEPT our destiny... This does not mean nor translate to not asking in du’a from Him. Because those who ask from Him ... that act of asking is their legacy and true inheritance – not the result of answering the du’a – but the actual asking process is the true destiny we want to be on. If we have our du’as accepted – we should find something else to ask about. We should absorb ourselves in asking from Him and worshiping Him – this is what is means in Surah Fatihah – Iyyaka Na’budu wa Iyyaka Nasta’een.

All night, a man called “Allah”
Until his lips were bleeding.
Then the Devil said, “Hey! Mr Gullible!
How comes you’ve been calling all night
And never once heard Allah say, “Here, I am”?
You call out so earnestly and, in reply, what?
I’ll tell you what. Nothing!”
The man suddenly felt empty and abandoned.
Depressed, he threw himself on the ground
And fell into a deep sleep.
In a dream, he met Abraham, who asked,
“Why are you regretting praising Allah?”
The man said, “ I called and called
But Allah never replied, “Here I am.”
Abraham explained, “Allah has said,
“Your calling my name is My reply.
Your longing for Me is My message to you.
All your attempts to reach Me
Are in reality My attempts to reach you.
Your fear and love are a noose to catch Me.
In the silence surrounding every call of “Allah”
Waits a thousand replies of “Here I am.”

Maulana Rumi

Ask regularly from Allah (SWT) with the loftiest of expectations never waning in hope and never settling for second best, whilst being content in the act of asking itself since this means we occupy our time in dzikr of Him. Both i’badah and du’a are forms of dzikr ... so know this ... that our purpose is to keep Him in our minds and hearts in awe and respect at all times ... It is immaterial if our du’as are accepted or not ... but we believe they are accepted as the adab permits ... and if they are answered we respond likewise and if they are not answered we respond likewise in each case seeing it as an opportunity to come closer to His Majesty.

Finally – when I mentioned dunya – I didn’t mean ‘Alam ... Dunya is the transient and illusive nature of the world – it is not the physical planet, but the relationship and value we hold with items in this world. When we say that we should not chase the dunya – that is true ... because chasing the dunya means – desiring and coveting the bounties of Allah (SWT).

But can we chase the articles behind our du’as? Yes ... every prayer ... most of us read Rabbana atina fid’dunya hassanawan wa fil akhirati hassanatan wa kina azaabannar.
My Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi makes us perform a very useful du’a ... that we say ...

“Oh Allah (SWT) grant us good aspects of dunya in our hands to facilitate our works, but away from our hearts rather to fill in them love of You and RasoolAllah (SAW)” ... Ameen.

To “chase” dunya out of desire for it is bad, but to compete for dunya keeping separation from it and to facilitate its use for good and without desiring it is not disallowed. Many Sufis became poor and unproductive out of not understanding that this world does have its uses... why else are they called the bounties of Allah (SWT) that we as a race deny - in Surah Rahman?

We have to be excellent enough to make a lot of wealth with our skills if need be, but we have to be as unattached to it as possible that if required we can give it all away in charity ... This is the example of Sayyiduna Abu Bakr (RA) and Sayyiduna Umar (RA). Most of us fall short of both being able to excel or being able to be detached.

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Bizario ... Response has truly been one with pure emotion.

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^These two lines remind me of the saying that Allah tests you to bring you closer to Him.

Would Beta's case not also be admirable in the sense that she accepted Allah's will for her? If you consider Istikhara, apart from guidance ...I think maybe another reason why it's done is so that one doesn't spend all that time waiting and hoping and can find out what Allah's will is....it puts an end to continuous dua. Your post makes me wonder how many of the duas we might have gotten had we persisted longer; conversely I think if that thing was in your qismat you would have gotten it had you made dua irregularly, and then there's the saying that the only thing that can change qismat is dua. It's like a catch 22 isn't it? I think the most important aspect is perhaps detachment. To make Allah the end goal of our ibadat and not the worldly dua itself. Reversing the equation can lead one to falling apart and I guess it makes ibadat deficient. Fortunate are those who can maintaint such sincerity of iman consistently. Thank you for the detailed response, Psyah.

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Sister Redvelvet

Perhaps my point needs to be emphasised a bit more ... It is not important that we get our du'a accepted ... What is important is that we spend our time doing du'a ... And if it gets accepted, we should find something else to ask quickly so we can return back to a state of neediness with Allah (SWT) ...

as for istikhara then the adab of it is that the heart endears towards the choice that is best ... So if a decision is being made but the heart feels uneasy with this ... Then perhaps the decision is the wrong one? Even istikhara is not done once ... that too is an oft repeated pattern until clarity and contentment is reached.

If something is happening outside ones control in a direction that is opposing the desired and concluded one then a) not enough effort is being put in towards the intended goal and b) if it is miraculously being taken over then do du'a for patience ... So the du'a doesn't need to stop ... Things working in our favour Alhumdulillah do some nawafil , things apparently not working in our favour ... Make that itself into a means to get closer to Allah (SWT) ... do more du'a ... Being happy in the state of asking is recognition of the blessing of the one who is needy before The Lord.