Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
^ wah! who's land is it if not the Kashmiries?
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
It is India Mr.ravage
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
right... dispossess the natives and call the land your own. typical imperialist tactics. its good you wear the mantle proudly, not squirming about like some others here do.
right... dispossess the natives and call the land your own. typical imperialist tactics. its good you wear the mantle proudly, not squirming about like some others here do.
just stand back for a second and read what you wrote. Doesn't that sound like the tinny whinings that worthless communists and failed make about those who succeeded?
The only people dispossessed of their land are the Kashmiri Pundits driven out by the violent anti-hindu atrocities fuelled by the terrorists sent by Pakistan. Now that those terrorists have turned around and doing a number on you guys, I hope the Pundits can return and become un-dispossessed.
What you have left is the empty chest beating and wailing
The board is not Kashmiri. The sale of our land to non-Kashmiris is illegal. Period. Even the Abdullahs and the other pro-India puppets are dead against it.
If you keep on repeating that land was being sold, it does make it so. Anyway the government has done a sensible thing and taken over the responsibilty of the yatra. Now they can construct the facilities and make yatra a bigger sucess. Kudoos to Ghulam Nabi Azad.
As for the Mirwaiz, if you actually bother reading his statements and listening to his speeches, I think you'll find he's one of the most modern, forward-thinking, secular leaders in South Asia today...and no, the irony of that statement isn't lost on me.
You are right on lack of leadership ...... root cause is that becuase there is no genuine cause .... people's sentiments are being aroused for individual gratification. Be it joining Pakistan or independence you will find all kinds of leaders wiht their own theories. But ultimately what should the people of kashmir, pakisatn, india and even afghanistan want ...... just to live a normal life with peace and dignity. Honestly if thinks were were to cool down in the region and normal life restored then everything will work out be it kashmir / afghansitan or even india - pak.
As for Mirwaiz, he is a sensible person but he also get into his religious elements, as he did in this land deal also. Look what he said .....
Mirwaiz said that being Muslims, “it is our duty to save the environment.”
“Earth has been mentioned 485 times in the Holy Qur’an while there is mention of water 63 times. In the Holy Qur’an, sufficient thrust has been laid on conservation of environment. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) has asked the Ummah to know about their responsibilities regarding environment,” Mirwaiz said, adding that as Muslims, “it is our responsibility to save the environment, and we won’t allow anybody to destroy our forests.”
Now having made this statement .... ask him what he did when the Dal lake was being ravaged by Kashmiri's. After all 99% of people living on unauthorised dal are Muslims .... so are they voilating Qur'an .... if so then what did he do mto stop it. After all he is also a Mirwaiz.
This is the same guy who's father tied up with Farooq Abdullah " Double farooq" remember that .....
just to live a normal life with peace and dignity. Honestly if thinks were were to cool down in the region and normal life restored then everything will work out be it kashmir / afghansitan or even india - pak.
You don't think the people of Kashmir have already tried that?
Even after India trampled over the wishes of most of the population and illegally occupied the state, the people of Kashmir gave "Indian democracy" a chance. And how did India respond? By breaking every promise it ever made to the people of Kashmir...stripping away the state's autonomy, fixing every election, and denying the people their most basic democratic rights. India had over 40 years to win over the people of Kashmir, and it squandered that opportunity. Now, after all that, plus the laundry list of atrocities committed by the barbarians of the Indian army, there is absolutely no reason why India should ever be trusted again.
As for Mirwaiz, he is a sensible person but he also get into his religious elements, as he did in this land deal also. Look what he said .....
Such is the nature of South Asian politics. Gandhi, a man you people practically worship as a prophet of secularism, had no problem running around call for "Ram raj" and using all sorts of Hindu imagery to mobilize the Indian masses.
ask him what he did when the Dal lake was being ravaged by Kashmiri's.
He, along with Yasin Malik, joined forces with Green Kashmir...an NGO dedicated to the preservation of Dal Lake, which not only works to educate locals about the necessity of making environmentally responsible choices, but also oversees all of the garbage collection and clean-up efforts in the area (without any real assistance from the apathetic Indian government at that).
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
kashmir is a integral part of india. it will be separated only at the deadbody of last living Indian. If katwas want kashmir, theirs 'already cut' will be cut further and will be murdered.
You don't think the people of Kashmir have already tried that?
Even after India trampled over the wishes of most of the population and illegally occupied the state, the people of Kashmir gave "Indian democracy" a chance. And how did India respond? By breaking every promise it ever made to the people of Kashmir...stripping away the state's autonomy, fixing every election, and denying the people their most basic democratic rights. India had over 40 years to win over the people of Kashmir, and it squandered that opportunity. Now, after all that, plus the laundry list of atrocities committed by the barbarians of the Indian army, there is absolutely no reason why India should ever be trusted again.
Such is the nature of South Asian politics. Gandhi, a man you people practically worship as a prophet of secularism, had no problem running around call for "Ram raj" and using all sorts of Hindu imagery to mobilize the Indian masses.
He, along with Yasin Malik, joined forces with Green Kashmir...an NGO dedicated to the preservation of Dal Lake, which not only works to educate locals about the necessity of making environmentally responsible choices, but also oversees all of the garbage collection and clean-up efforts in the area (without any real assistance from the apathetic Indian government at that).
Decide what you have been doing since 1947 ..... fighting the occupation or giving democracy a chance. The truth is a number of people in kashmir had interest in keeping the status in limbo and that is what they are exploiting even now. Feel sad for the situation but then ......
As for Gandhi ... he belived in non violence and whenever there was violence he had on occasions cancelled his movement for independence ... saying we are not ready for it. Princiles were very important to him .... not like these two faced leaders of today. He would perhaps be the only figure in history who having lead the fight for independence did not take any office!!!!!
Anyway as for green efforts .... you must bejoking. So you think garbage collection and cleap-up is the answer to teh problem of dal. Give me a break ........ thousands of people ...99% muslims ...... have encroached on the land in the Dal and that has lead to this enviromental disaster. What are they doing about that ..... can they preach the people to leave those areas ... no way .... they will get their back side kicked all the way ......
That remids me of another environmental issue..... some time back shatoosh was banned in Kashmir .... a lot of people started calling it an indian conspiracy ..... so much for environment.
Decide what you have been doing since 1947 ..... fighting the occupation or giving democracy a chance.
40 years went by before the people of Kashmir took up arms and began "fighting" the occupation...after India made it abundantly clear that it had no interest in "democratically" dealing with the Kashmiri people and their aspirations for their homeland.
As for Gandhi ... he belived in non violence and whenever there was violence he had on occasions cancelled his movement for independence ... saying we are not ready for it. Princiles were very important to him .... not like these two faced leaders of today. He would perhaps be the only figure in history who having lead the fight for independence did not take any office!!!!!
Save your hero worship for someone who cares.
Nothing in that little shpiel changes the fact that your beloved Gandhi had no problem using overtly Hindu religious concepts to motivate/mobilize the Hindu masses. If he can still be considered a secular leader, then so can the Mirwaiz.
Anyway as for green efforts .... you must bejoking. So you think garbage collection and cleap-up is the answer to teh problem of dal.
You're right. The Mirwaiz and Green Kashmir are destroying the Dal with their trash collection. Better to just sit back and let the Indian administration handle it as they always have...by building even more drainage systems that pump raw sewage straight into the lake. Clearly that's the solution.
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
and the chest beating and wailing goes on, now discrediting Mahatma Gandhi! If you guys (alright, and girls) were as good at doing something as how bull-headedly you argue for total nonsense, may be you wouldn’t have had to lose all them wars, may not have become the center of the terrorist universe and not have to fight your neighbor decades on.
Oh I forgot - she is not Pakistan, she is Kashmiri (happy Ravage?) …only she wants to merge with Pakistan, regrets Pakistan’s no good government sent in looters instead of real soldiers and doesn’t mind one bit the fact that these men sent in by Pakistan looted and raped Kashmir. Doesn’t have the gratitude that India sent in troops and saved the people of Kashmir from these looters!
She talks about ‘history’ as long as it doesn’t involve Hindus…too bad she can’t go back nd change time and history both of which disprove everyone of the great (according to Moonshiner, Ravage and Mufakkar) Janab’s volumes of whiplash chect beating claims! :rotfl:
Truth is so much more powerful yet simple to employ than the convoluted volumes of …and the truth is very simple. Truth is, NOT should have, would have and could have.
Truth is Kashmir is in India. Indian President appoints the governor. Indian military protects the state. Indian currency is legal tender. Indian passports hold sway. Indian electoral commision regulates. Indians are what the people of Kashmir are called.
Just google History of Kashmir and you guys (and girls) may learn something for a change instead of the rubbish you’ve been brainwashed into. Here is an small excerpt:
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In the Rajatarangini, a history of Kashmir written by Kalhana in the 12th century, it is stated that the valley of Kashmir was formerly a lake. This was drained by the great rishi or sage, Kashyapa, son of Marichi, son of Brahma, by cutting the gap in the hills at Baramulla (Varaha-mula). When Kashmir had been drained, Kashyapa asked Brahmans to settle there. This is still the local tradition, and in the existing physical condition of the country, we may see some ground for the story which has taken this form. The name of Kashyapa is by history and tradition connected with the draining of the lake, and the chief town or collection of dwellings in the valley was called Kashyapa-pura
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
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To all those Indians who are continuously complaining about Muslims and their unscientific madarsa educations...here's one of your own, insisting that the land mass of Kashmir was magically created by the father of the snake gods and the fire goddess. Not content to accept the story as a part of Hindu doctrine and move on, he's practically foaming at the mouth in rage as he insists that it be accepted as historical/scientific fact by Hindus and non-Hindus alike.
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
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obviously education hasn’t helped you any. Go read up something other than hate speeches and you’ll find the parts about draining a lake to reclaim landmass.
And then google ‘reclamation’, “Dubai land” or similar and you will perhaps understand what that means.
Whether you accept it or not, history is history.
BTW, I wonder how you explain the revealations that your prophet received upon which your entire religion is based - do you call that fictional, magical and created by someone’s dreams?
You’re getting desperate!
Re: Srinagar: Tens of Thousands Protest Illegal Land Sale, Indian Occupation
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?p=5902889&highlight=revelations#post5902889
Some of us are intelligent enough to be able to distinguish between religious doctrine and historical record.
Someothers yes, but not you.
You reject the truth calling it mythology - that is your problem, not mine.
Draining a lake to reclaim landmass is not exactly an act of magic; a Sanskrit book documenting the act is not mythology.
You just can’t handle it because you want history to start at that point in time which is convenient to your hatred.
Not happening. Keep wailing
kashmir is a integral part of india. it will be separated only at the deadbody of last living Indian. If katwas want kashmir, theirs 'already cut' will be cut further and will be murdered.
Since when? UN and other international bodies still consider it 'Disputed territory'.
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BTW, here is some more history.
One of the major communities that lived in Kashmir worshipped snakes and trees and were called the Nagas. Islamabad area was known as Anant-Nag, the source of Jhelum Vir-Nag and so on. So there's nothing mythical or magical in somebody who created / reclaimed such a land mass by draining a lake was fondly known as father of the nagas.
By the way, Rajatarangini is globally acknowledged as one of the most trustworthy and reliable historical texts in Sanskrit. You people who claim to be Kashmiri may atleast make some attampts at learning at least a little bit about Kashmiri history before coming here to wail about India!
Trust the hatemonger here to twist that into a tale of black magic hyperbole.
BTW, here is some more history.
One of the major communities that lived in Kashmir worshipped snakes and trees and were called the Nagas. Islamabad area was known as Anant-Nag, the source of Jhelum Vir-Nag and so on. So there's nothing mythical or magical in somebody who created / reclaimed such a land mass by draining a lake was fondly known as father of the nagas.
By the way, Rajatarangini is globally acknowledged as one of the most trustworthy and reliable historical texts in Sanskrit. You people who claim to be Kashmiri may atleast make some attampts at learning at least a little bit about Kashmiri history before coming here to wail about India!
Trust the hatemonger here to twist that into a tale of black magic hyperbole.
No one cares. Bottom line: Majority of Kashmiris want nothing to do with India, no matter who worshipped what here in the past. If you want to talk history then hand over your country to apes because they were here before humans.
No one cares. Bottom line: Majority of Kashmiris want nothing to do with India, no matter who worshipped what here in the past. If you want to talk history then hand over your country to apes because they were here before humans.
tell that to your buddies Janab Ravage Moonshiner et all. You guys wanted to talk history and when that comes back to bite you, as is customary, you don't want to talk history anymore. It's like the dogs that bark at somebody but as soon as that somebody turns around they yelp and whine and runaway with tail between the legs!
Alright, if you don't want history, let's look at the present.
Kashmir is very much part of India and Indian president appoints the governor, Indian currency is legal tender, people there are called Indian, they hold Indian passports, they are protected by Indian army and so on and so forth.
Now stop whining
40 years went by before the people of Kashmir took up arms and began "fighting" the occupation...after India made it abundantly clear that it had no interest in "democratically" dealing with the Kashmiri people and their aspirations for their homeland.
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If everyone had genuinely participated in democratic process for 40 years we would have not come to this situation. Anyway we can have this chicken and egg dance for Kashmir for the rest of our lives without coming to any conclusion. So i would leave this issue to that. What i am interested in is the issue of land transfer. Now that the chief minister has taken over the land, you should have no objection to it. After all your point was that land was going to a non-state subject and communal organisation. So would you agree that the construction on temporary accomodation for the yatri's should be started by the state government.