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sadi sobi

it always makes me feel good to hear accounts abt ppl rediscovering the beauty of islam…glad for u mashallah :k:

hmm…as for the issues u raised…i am not too knowledgeable on this topic unfortunately, but frankly i dont think Islam ever taught us to hate human beings regardless of what they did or who they were…

yes we are supposed to hate acts of injustice, cruelty, dishonesty etc and that is very important that we do…but we are never supposed to hate the person who commits them…as we are taught to grow mercy and forgiveness in our hearts…

yes it is definitely two very different things and i have experienced it personally, u can hate something that someone does and u can even tell them that…but it does not automatically follow that u hate that person…

like for example u might hate the act of smoking but if someone u know starts to smoke, u wont start hating them will you?..or if someone among your friends suddenly commits a horrendous crime (God forbid), you will certainly detest that act but you wont start hating your friend forever will you? and so on…like u can hate israeli policies but u dont have to hate israeli people…that is racism and prejudice and blind hate which is not allowed in Islam..

hmm..hope i made sense..

i do remember being told that we are not supposed to be close friends with non muslims…and i can see very good logic behind that…i am not sure abt that though so dont take my word for it…but that doesnt at all mean we have to hate or even dislike all non muslims…

hmm…and the bottom line is:

the Prophet(SAW) is our role model. he was the most merciful of human beings who only had love and mercy in his heart for everyone, even his enemies…he never had an ounce of hate in his heart for anyone…

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NYA you old dinosaur, Lucy has been long since upstaged by Kenyanthropus. And your ever so presumptous claims about the evolutionary theory would have Darwin spewing unholy stuff in his grave. Checking out some facts would be good place to start and then maybe the rest of your post will follow in sounding remotely convincing. Although the multiple Adam and Eve point I don't think is implausible. There may be even be a hadith about it somewhere.

Old Lahori,
Fair enough. Although to cite ad hoc references to sheeps, dogs and exceptional genetic mutations may not be wholly fair either. But my point was simply that the people who promote homosexuality do by default use genetics as focal point to evoke it as "natural", when it clearly isn't the case. I agree, behaviour and genetics are two totally different aspects, with the behaviour (culture, environment, religion - all learned) playing the greater part. Admittedly, however much I may dislike the behaviour (even if it is in-your-face 24/7), I wouldn't want to necessarily throw them off a cliff either, but the wierd make up and costumes would definitely have to go...

As for the homosexual sheep and dogs, well they were protesting against the new report showing an increase in the the prevalence of BSE and rabies amongst gay sheep and dogs respectively. The protestors also demanded the right to have same-sex marriages universally recognised which have been denied on the grounds that in the inevitable case of an imminent divorce following the marriage, the bitching would be never-ending...

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Below is an article that does show that there are homosexual sheep. However that cannot be used to explain human behavior at this stage. At this stage of understanding, we really do not know how much is nature and how much is nurture when it comes to homosexuality. That might be why it is unclear whether is should be sexual ‘preference’ or ‘orientation’ right now. And I do agree with you that some of the ‘in your face’ activists with their flaming queens etc. are hard to take up close. It can be funny from a distance, but up close I do start looking for an exit.

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/830384.asp
Nov. 4 — Gay sheep that mate only with other rams have different brain structures from “straight” sheep, a finding that may shed light on human sexuality, U.S. researchers said on Monday. The differences are similar to those seen in some homosexual humans, but probably only go a small way to explaining the causes of different sexual preferences, the team at Oregon Health Sciences University said. “WE ARE not trying to explain human sexuality by this study,” Charles Roselli, a professor of physiology and pharmacology who led the study, said in a telephone interview. “Whether this is a big component of what contributes in humans, that’s still debatable.”
Working with a team at the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Sheep Experiment Station in Dubois, Idaho, Roselli’s team studied 27 sheep — 10 ewes, nine rams that mated only with other rams and eight rams that mated only with females.
** The “gay” sheep are strongly homosexual, Roselli said.
“They don’t pair-bond,” he said. “But they are exclusive. They don’t court or mate with females. They only court and mate with males.”
First the scientists watched the sheep to be sure of their behavior — something that cannot be done with humans. Then they took apart their brains.**

DIFFERENCES IN HYPOTHALAMUS
“There had been reports in humans that a certain area of the hypothalamus, the preoptic area … was usually larger in males than females,” Roselli said. This area was also found to be larger in heterosexual humans than in homosexual men.

      But the researchers had used the brains of men who had died of AIDS in their study, which meant the disease or drugs used to treat it could have had an effect on the brain.
   “With an animal model you can be more selective and do more controlled studies,” Roselli said.
   The sheep had similar differences in their brains, the researchers told a meeting in Orlando, Florida, of the Society for Neuroscience.
   “In a sense we confirmed what been found in humans,” Roselli said.

The brain cells in this area also made greater amounts of an enzyme called aromatase in the heterosexual rams. Aromatase is involved in the action of testosterone, the so-called male hormone.
This does not mean the gay rams had less testosterone in their brains, Roselli stressed. “It is not necessarily the activational effect of the hormone,” he said. Other types of neurons are probably active — they just have not found them yet.
No differences in testosterone relating to sexuality have been found either in the sheep or in humans, he said.
“It’s not that gay men have lower levels of testosterone,” he said. “And it’s not the case with these sheep.”
Roselli believes that exposure to hormones while still in the mother’s womb may affect the brain and cause differences in sexual preference, and more experiments will aim to show whether this is true.

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<~~~ok. Try to help me...but just don't pray for me..cuz I am a Catholic.

I pray every day for Iraq. And Palestinians.

Don't pray for me.. I am Kafir. I don't merit your prayers.

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Interesting book is:

THE SEARCH FOR EVE

Lot of DNA evidence.

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hate is a very dangerous word. tis better to avoid it

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Do I treat gays differently than straights when I meet them? - no. Would I pay a gay less than a straight for the same job? - no.

Do I want a gay babysitter - NO...
Do I want them teaching kids - NO...
Do I want them to be raising kids - NO, NO, NO!

It's unconscionable to raise a child in an environment where abnormal and unacceptable behavior is presented as normal and acceptable - it is neither!

"Gay pride" is a laughable premise - it's akin to being proud of being a thief or a murderer!

Peace To All Who Read This...

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Being a thief or a murderer is a choice, being gay is not. Why in the blue blazes would anyone choose a lifestyle that means they will be discriminated against, unable to have a normal family life, and disowned and chastised by not only religous bigots, but even by their own family?

By whose standards are their behavior abnormal and unacceptable? God made them, they are his standards and are judged only by him.

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Seminole: *
Being a thief or a murderer is a choice, being gay is not. Why in the blue blazes would anyone *choose a lifestyle that means they will be discriminated against, unable to have a normal family life, and disowned and chastised by not only religous bigots, but even by their own family?

By whose standards are their behavior abnormal and unacceptable? God made them, they are his standards and are judged only by him.
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By the same token, why would anyone choose to be a theif or a murderer?

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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Seminole: *
Being a thief or a murderer is a choice, being gay is not. Why in the blue blazes would anyone *choose a lifestyle that means they will be discriminated against, unable to have a normal family life, and disowned and chastised by not only religous bigots, but even by their own family?

By whose standards are their behavior abnormal and unacceptable? God made them, they are his standards and are judged only by him.
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Seminole, I believe it IS a choice - at the very least, they have a choice as to whether or not to be an actively PRACTICING homosexual. To elaborate on my previous post, their may be individuals who may have the tendency or inclination towards stealing or murder, but, never practice it due to family and sociatal training and constraints.

There's an old saying, "Locks keep honest people honest". Actively practicing and promoting. ( and, for hetrosexuals, condoning and encouraging!) what is undeniably an abberation in either biology and/or soul is degrading to the human condition. Homosexuality is an instrument of evil to draw attention, energy and resources away from solving genuine problems like hunger and poverty. Imagine if the time, energy, and political motions that has been wasted on these folks had been spent in areas that REALLY matter!

The Torah, the Bible, and, the Koran all call homosexuality a sin. The purpose of gender itself bears out the fact that it is unnatural. I'm afraid I really do not see the error in my position.

Peace To All Who Read This...

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Mr. Pockets, I posted the article above about homosexual sheep. Are they unnatural and what do the good books say about unnatural animals?

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Is the arguement that because animals do it humans should too?
way haay black widow spider and the animals that eat their infants!

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Serendipiti: *
Is the arguement that because animals do it humans should too?
way haay black widow spider and the animals that eat their infants!
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Serendipiti ji, I always forget that most people only read the last post. If you care ... read some of the earlier posts it might make more sense.
Even the Black widow is mentioned earlier.

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You know what?

I don't think I actually read everything posted here..

<~~~ Didn't realize the talk was about ....... duh.

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Please forgive me for asking this...skipped the rest of the posts..

*A Muslim should not pray for a non-Muslim doesn't mean that a Muslim should laugh at a the non-Muslim when he is in trouble. *

Tell me. Please explain.

Why shouldn't a Muslim pray for a non-Muslim?

Tell me what sources you have that tell you God decreed this?

Enlighten me please?

If anything...I would think that a Muslim might pray for a non-Muslim..just for the sake of converting them?

<~~ Catholic Kaffir Question. Because my teaching was to pray for all.