Split: Religion vis a vis Shrine/Buildings/graves

vroom · September 17, 2014, 9:26am

Re: Split: Religion vis a vis Shrine/Buildings/graves

To expect the deceased to somehow help the living, and then to wonder how there’s nothing wrong with that at all. Laa Hawla wala quwwata illa billa.

Those of us who are living are at an advantage because we still have the opportunity to earn Hasanat, and ask forgiveness for our sins, and do good, while the books of the deceased are sealed except for the good that they leave behind that others follow. The only One able to help anyone is Allah alone, not any other being dead or alive. Allah permits His creations to become a waseela for someone else, but it is Allah alone who we should ask for help, and it is Allah alone who blesses our affairs and puts barakah in all that we do.

The most well known sunnah of Rasool Allah (Peace and Blessings be upon him) was to seek comfort in Salah, and ask for help in Dua. This is the chain of barakah that we ought to follow because Rasool Allah (s.a.w.) provided us the sure way to success in the dunya and akhira.

I understand the devotion that some of us have for Awliya of Allah, and they should be revered and respected, their wisdom should be attained and shared with others, but to take any of them as a mediary is a slippery slope. That’s really all I can think of saying, because I don’t want to offend anyone whose beliefs vis a vis the topic may differ. The important thing that we should be thankful for is that we’re all a family, a united body and an Ummah.

Allah knows best what our intentions are. May Allah strengthen our Imaan and increase us all in Taqwa and reliance upon Allah alone.

The first couple of paragraphs here are mixed up and difficult to understand as to what your prospective is. It does not make sense. The first line is actually incorrect, viciously wrong. The reason I say that is because you say Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala is The Only One to Help, and not any other being dead or alive - Which is true. Laa Hawla wala quwwata illa billa

Yet we all receive help through various forms of Majaz, everyday, all the time. Unless someone claims they are receiving directly from Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala - not something that I think you are saying. Please confirm

So we are all agreed upon that, so it appears (the truth may be different in that you may think i have some power for example i have ability to lift things and possibly conduct tyrant actions like [powerful] actions which could kill a person)

However this opening line from you. I must add this opinion of yours is not recognizable as Islamically influenced to me - I mean it has no basis in Islam as per my understanding - which will be thoroughly examined In Sha Allah. As the Islamic evidences affirm our Nation has expected the Deceased to help the living. So i do see your statement as an attack on Islam, and that’s why I have re-dug it because it was never my intention to leave this uncontested/unexplored.

Don’t worry about offending anyone, because if we have deviated on this then we deserve being offending and besides your loyalty is to your Version of Tauheed (To proclaim the Oneness of Allah) is it not? So no worries about offense please

**I expect the deceased to Help and see nothing wrong with that - **Laa Hawla wala quwwata illa billa.

You have an erroneous belief regarding the deceased’s ability to help which is seen in the words: (…deceased to somehow help the living…) Here you have denied the ability of the deceased to help the living
But the main culprit of your accusations is the person who Asks, or does not Ask but Expects, so not the deceased but the Living, this can be seen in the words: (To expect the deceased…)
This person is guilty of not knowing what is wrong with that, All Power belongs to Allah, which the living expectant has negated: (…and then to wonder how there’s nothing wrong with that at all. Laa Hawla wala quwwata illa billa.)

No evidence is provided here just a summary of the issues which need discussion