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bibi Aisha was taking an army against hazrat Ali to avenge the blood of Hazrat Usman. Hazrat Ali fought a defensive war.
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If you want to talk about men vs. women, you should know that Shia women enjoy far more rights and respect, than Sunni women do.
And furthermore: "Likewise, Aisha was the Prophet's wife, and probably way more closer to him than Ali and she was one of the best muslim women out there."
That is opinion, hardly fact.
From history we can also infer that Ali was not after empire, but he was after the Prophet's message.
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Is a 17 yr old considered man or is it still adolescent?
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It's funny how Ali gets blamed for Aisha's agressions and faults but Muaweyah is praised nonetheless despite the fact that Muaweyah murdered Ayesha.
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so now he murdered ayesha (ra) as well???
man, i think soon u will also blame him for murdering abel…
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HE could have done taqiyyah piyaray-----an ibadah he (according to shia sources) did for last 20 years or so..
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“Mauweyah invited Ayesha for dinner, and he got a ditch dug in the ground, filling it up with sharp knives and swords, with their blades facing upwards. According to Alama Ibn Khaldoon, Mauweyah masked that ditch with lanky pieces of wood, and spread a carpet on top of it all to camouflage it. He placed a wooden chair over it for Ayesha to sit. No sooner Ayesha sat on the chair, the whole set up retrieved and she fell in the pit, injuring herself from head to toe, and breaking a lot of bones. To hide his felony, Mauweyah got the ditched filled up with lime. That is how he murdered Ayesha; she was sixty four years old when Mauweyah murdered her towards the end of 57 Hijri. This proves, with out a doubt, that Mauweyah was an enemy of Prophet Mohammed (p), and he proved his enmity towards the Prophet (p) by murdering his (p) wife. The only reason that Mauweyah performed this heinous act was that Ayesha stopped him from making fun of Islam from the pulpit of Masjid-e-Nabvi.. This is why no one knows the exact location of Ayesha’s grave in Medina.”
…Due to this crime, Allah (SWT)’s wrath fell on Mauweyah and parts of his body became paralyzed, and he became delusional. It was under this state of delusion that Mauweyah acknowledged he had ordered the murder of many companions of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh&hp) and their children for the sake of his tyrant son Yazid…
…Mauweya was a nefarious politician. He was the son of Abu Sufyan, the leader of Mecca, who spent his whole life opposing Prophet Mohammad (pbuh&hp) in Mecca. He was also the leader of every pagan army that fought against the Islamic armies. Muaweyah’s mother was Hinda, who martyred Hazrat Hamza (RA), Prophet Mohammad’s (pbuh&hp) uncle and chopped his body into pieces, which didn’t satisfy her appetite, so she tried to eat his heart. Mauweyah never accepted Islam in his heart. After the conquest of Mecca by Prophet Mohammad (pbuh&hp), both Mauwiya and his father Abu Sufyan accepted Islam as a necessity of the time with a loathing heart. After the murder of Uthman, Mauweyah rebelled against the fourth elected caliph Hazrat Ali (RA).
…All Historians have mentioned in disgust that Mauweyah (the governor of Damascus) back stabbed Islam when he made a thirty year peace treaty with the Roman king, rather than fighting for Islam, according to which Syria came under the rule of Roman empire and Mauweyah agreed to give thirty thousand coins, fifty Arab slaves and fifty Arab horses to the Roman king every year.
All of the Muslims of that era disliked this gesture of Mauwiya and cursed him."
Sunni References:
- Musharriful Mahbubin by Hazrat Khuwaja Mehboob Qasim Chishti Mushrrafi Qadri (RA) Pages 216-218
- Kokab wa Rifi Fazal-e-Ali Karam Allah Wajhu, Page 484, By Syed Mohammed Subh-e-Kashaf AlTirmidhi, Urdu translation by Syed Sharif Hussein Sherwani Sabzawari, Published by Aloom AlMuhammed, number B12 Shadbagh, Lahore, 1st January 1963.
- Habib Alseer Rabiyah AlAbrar, Volume 1, Alama JarulAllah Zamik (530 Hijri),
- Hadoiqa Sanai, by Hakim Sanai (Died 525 Hijri, at Ghazni), Page 65-67,
- Namoos Islam, by Agha Hashim Sialkoti, Published Lahore, 1939 - Pages 66-67
- Tazkarah Tul-Aikram Tarikh-e-Khulafa Arab-Wa-Islam by Syed Shah Mohamed Kabir Abu Alalaiyi Dana Puri, Published Le Kishwar Press, Lakhnow, April 1924/ 1346 H
- Tarikh al Islam, by Najeeb Abadi, Vol 2 p 44
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bao bihari..it seems like u are very thick..what is taqiyyah? taqiyyah is something when a person hides his faith to save his life..murderers don’t need to do taqiyah so you should be happy about that
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^ So hadrat Ali 
life was not in danger ?
what do you mean by this
i was referring to hadrat ali not doing taqiyah ..and you gave me above reply----alfaz ka istemal tau theek karo meri bhai
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Why would Imam Ali (a.s.) do taqiyyah? He was the khalifa of the time...He was the most powerful person in the world...do you forget he won all the battles for Islam? and let me refresh ur memory...he still won this war against aisha as well...his followers however can perform taqiyyah to save their lives...who would do taqiyyah? a person who is killing or the person who is getting killed?
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^ so hadrat Ali was sure that he wont be killed/shaheed …
and by your analogy hadrat hussain should have done taqiyyah
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If Hazrat Hussain had done taqiya, you would not be a Muslim today.
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Dude, and here we are saying what should have been done and what should not. And this is what divides us. Sad.
Its a difference in historical opinion, people. That is all. We weren't there when it happened, so we'll never know all the details, just like no one really ever knows all the details about your life.
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Neither do I. I let Allah be the judge of their deeds.
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We had a similar discussion a year ago.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=139368&page=1&pp=30&highlight=muwiya
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man so much hate. even if muawiyah was a tyrant, how does it make you any better by barking around on this forum, and 1. pushing your beliefs onto other people rather than by just stating your argument and then moving away and 2. using curse words make you any different than a tyrant, yourself?
If you guys keep talking like this, the moratorium will probably be put into place since the mods have lives to take care of as well - they can't just be doing jharoo pohncha here all day because you people dont know how to behave.
So keep talking like that and pretty soon any thread you open up will be locked immediately. Really, kids.
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PCG, its the same old story of cursing companions and calling sunnis terrorists because they refuse to join in. These guys (some of them who claim to be syeds) trace their lineage to Prophet:saw: through Hazrat Ali (ra) I suppose, and curse sunnis and his companions. God forbid if they were related to Prophet:saw: through his son(s). There was a resaon Allah took his sons early in their lives, he did not want kinship drama and these guys play it all the time.
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Pathetic! as usual.
First of, the guy only quoted the words of sunni scholers from your own history books. He even gave you the references but as usual because these words are coming from a shia person (which actually are the words of sunni ulema) the whole shia nation is there to blaim. :mad:
Following are the scanned image pages from sunni books where your own sunni scholers nerrate the meanings of Muawiyah.
Rabi’ ul Abrar by Allamah Zamakhshari page 700
Tahzeeb ul Kamaal fi Asma’ al-Rijal by Jamaluddin Mizzi page 371
heres a couple websites showing the meaning of the word. (also sunni work)
Muslim Names look under M
Muawiha (just search the page for “female”)
Secondly, Stop claiming that you sunnis follow the sunnah of Rasulallah (saww) and calling bibi Aisha Um Al Mo’manien. Because they both have cursed muawiyah on different events (Also proved from “Authentic Sunni books”). And also acording to sunni ulema it was you favorite mauwiha who killed Bibi Aisha. Download the following word document and see for your self what written in “YOUR OWN BOOKS”
Musharriful Mahbubin by Hazrat Khuwaja Mehboob Qasim Chishti Mushrrafi Qadri (RA) Pages 216-218
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not sure what happened to this information i posted earlier?.. so here it is again…
probably the strongest contender for such a hadith would be the one recorded by al Tirmidhi in his Sunan in which the Prophet (saw) supplicated for Muawiyya: “O Allah! Make him a guide and one who is guided…”
(also recorded by al Bukhari in his Tarikh al Kabir, by Ibn Sa’d in Tabaqat al Kubra, by Imam Ahmed in his Musnad collection, by al Tabarani in Mu’jam al Awsat, and others)
the hadith of al Tirmidhi is declared authentic by…
– al Dhahabi (d.748H) in his Talkhis of Ibn al Jawzi’s al 'Ilal al Mutanahiya (225): “This isnad is strong”
– Ibn Hajr al Haytami (d.974H) in al Sawa’iq al Muhriqa (2:626): “The hadith is hasan/good”
– al Ulusi (d.1270H) in Sub al Azab (p.427): “This hadith has numerous witnessing reports establishing its authenticity”
– al Ajuri (d.360H) who adduces the report in his al Sharia saying that the Prophet (saw) supplicated for Muawiyya to be a guide and be guided so the hadith is no doubt authentic with him and he records it twice at 1854 & 1855
– also adjudged authentic by the recently deceased muhaddith, Sheikh Nasir al Din al Albani, in his voluminous Silsila al Sahiha (1969) where he said after a four page consideration of at least five chains of transmission back to Sa’id ibn Abd al Aziz (one of the narrators): “In conclusion, the hadith is sahih”;
– also authenticated by the contemporary hadith scholar, Amr Abd al Mun’im Salim, in his work Tahsil Mafat al Tahdith (pp.216-219) in which he says of al Tirmidhi’s chain: “This isnad is sahih, fully connected”;
– in fact al Tirmidhi himself indicates it is a candidate for an authentic hadith given that he graded it “hasan gharib”;
– all the narrators in al Tirmidhis chain up to Abd al Rahman ibn Abi Amira (who is a Companion despite Ibn Abdul Barr’s view in al Istiab to the contrary) are those relied on by Imam Muslim in his Sahih collection.
none of the criticisms levelled at its principal chains of transmission stand up to scrutiny as is clear from the aforementioned works of al Albani and Salim.
(and before anyone reposts them – i’ve read the copy-and-paste citing some sunni scholars that, in their view, there’s no authentic hadith praising Muawiyya)