Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
Forget it ssingh. So let us see :
1) Cremation is a Pakistani ritual and not a Hindu/Indian ritual.
2) Cows are held sacred by Pakistanis and not Hindus.
3) Nomenclature of Indian missiles like Agni, Prithvi, and the INDRA radar are copyright violations of Pakistani Intellectual Property.
4) The Gods of Indra, Agni dev, Varuna, Maruta which are worshipped in India today, are actually Pakistani Gods.
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Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
let's all keep it cool here, ok?
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
Sorry mod. I'll keep that in mind.
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
If Tipu Sultan grew up within the borders of modern day Pakistan then he was very much the ancestor of Pakistanis. If he was something like a Balochi or Sindhi or some other Pakistani ethnic group, then he was also ancestrally related to modern day pakistanis, though with this latter classification it gets a bit fuzzed. However the ancestors of modern day Pakistanis are without a shadow of a doubt the Vedic Aryans, as well as the Indus Valley Civilization, neither of which can India claim to be its own, as it does. Even the word India itself is a pilfered word.
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
1) Cremation is a Pakistani ritual and not a Hindu/Indian ritual.
2) Cows are held sacred by Pakistanis and not Hindus.
3) Nomenclature of Indian missiles like Agni, Prithvi, and the INDRA radar are copyright violations of Pakistani Intellectual Property.
4) The Gods of Indra, Agni dev, Varuna, Maruta which are worshipped in India today, are actually Pakistani Gods.
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I can add to this list.
5) The word India is pilfered from the word "Sapta Sindhu" which was used to describe the region of modern day Pakistan only.
Now what you say also is not correct. Agni, Indra were Gods of Vedic Pakistanis, the religion simply spread and morphed into modern day Hinduism which was a completely different religion to Vedism.
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
The word india is pilfered, but the word pakistan didn’t even exist. So proud of your pagan past?
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Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
I dont see the problem in being proud of any great civilization like the Indus Valley or the Vedic civilization. The great inventions of compasses, the number zero, astronomical etc. are Pakistani discoveries, even though they’re referred to as Indian in books. Nehru was indeed a cunning visionary, and currently Pakistanis are too uneducated to understand the significance of it all. In time they will wake up.
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
As for being proud of a pagan past, I dont see the problem in being proud of any great civilization like the Indus Valley or the Vedic civilization. The great inventions of compasses, the number zero, astronomical etc. are Pakistani discoveries, even though they're referred to as Indian in books. Nehru was indeed a cunning visionary, and currently Pakistanis are too uneducated to understand the significance of it all. In time they will wake up.
i dont know what nehru did on this issue.......there was no pakistan at that time. there were only vedic people. You mentioned astronomy, it is there in rishi parashara hota shastra which came later i feel in India. it is very much indian(even there was no india at that time, but still for the sake of argument).
and Strange!....How can you being an aryan(an invader) claim those civilizations and inventions to be that of yours??...you are an outsider, isn't it?
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
Well ssingh from tommorrow we'll ask our parents not to worship Agni Dev, Indra and the cow, because besides being a total copyright infringement, our religion must be made different to the Pakistani religion.
I can also say that India is responsible for building the Pakistani nuclear weapon, because A Q Khan was from Bhopal. So like a Indo-Dravidian developed the Pakistani bomb. A Dravidian also commands the Pakistani army, because he was from New Delhi.
roadrunner, present political boundaries do not matter. Like I said present-day politically defined territory of Pakistan just happens to have Vedic sites (Indian sites do too, but I don't think you are ready to listen). India has cultural (i.e. linguistic and religious) as well as historical claim to the Vedic civilization, but Pakistan has only historical, not cultural. Modern Pakistan : Vedic people is the same as Egyptian citizens : Ancient Egyptians.
Re: split discussion regarding history - pakistan and india
You can worship them. Just don't claim Pakistani history as Indian in the process. That's stealing.
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I can also say that India is responsible for building the Pakistani nuclear weapon, because A Q Khan was from Bhopal. So like a Indo-Dravidian developed the Pakistani bomb. A Dravidian also commands the Pakistani army, because he was from New Delhi.
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Yes, I agree that it was an Indian that helped build Pakistan's nuclear weapon. There were many others involved in the process over a lot of years. If you like, you can claim an Indian gave Pakistan a nuke, and I'll claim the Russians gave you a nuke. You see what I'm getting at here, I think. All this technology of nukes is nothing new. Eventually everything goes back to what would be Oppenheimer's research, so one could say an American invented the nuke. One could also say that Panini an ancient Pakistani invented Sanskrit and other things, and this went round with some Indian using his ideas to create a simpler language. The important people in these cases though were an American and someone from Ancient Pakistan, not the people in between who built off their ideas.
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roadrunner, present political boundaries do not matter. Like I said present-day politically defined territory of Pakistan just happens to have Vedic sites (Indian sites do too, but I don't think you are ready to listen). India has cultural (i.e. linguistic and religious) as well as historical claim to the Vedic civilization, but Pakistan has only historical, not cultural. Modern Pakistan : Vedic people is the same as Egyptian citizens : Ancient Egyptians.
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India does not have a historical claim to the Vedic civilization. The Vedic civilization was based around the Indus River, not the Ganges River. Remember how they named their country, "Saptha Sindhu", meaning land of seven rivers. 5 of these rivers are in modern Pakistan, belonging to the Indus and her tributaries, the other two are on the border of Pakistan with India, the Sawaswati and some tributary possibly. Again, a bit of Vedic civilization did no doubt overlap into modern India, but the majority of it was developed and also existed within Pakistan's current borders. So it is not an Indian civilization, it's a Pakistani one, just like the Persian Empire was not Pakistani, though some of its border overlapped into Pakistan's area.