" Beard is the Sunnah of the Prophet and he himself told the sahaba to grow it"
The debate of wheher it was arab tradition of persian to have beard is immaterial. Its like..once i met this guy who was so naive that he said that doing Hajj is also arab tradition and an Islamic duty. He was trying to prove that kuffars swarmed around kabbah before Islam and we follow their tradition( Naozbillah).
he wasnt lying about the part that pre-islamic arabs used to do tawwaf around Kaaba. that is the standard history.
what he concluded out of it is a totally different matter.
Yes, as long as you don't follow hanafi, shafi, maliki or hanbali school of fiqh...bcoz according to these four school of thought beard is wajib and shaving beard is haram. Just for your info.
No Miss 'Jazakallah brother' that might be the teaching of some ulema but not an Ijmaa. As I said, tark-e-sunna is Ok as long as you are ashamed and you know that you are doing a wrong thing by not floowing it
Problem is thsi that lot of people now a days not follow sunna proudly and they fond fault in that thought process
And technically, even tark-e-waajib although a sin but that does not make you Kaafir,
But please tell us,** how do Jews commit shirk? ** Who are they worshipping outside of God?
not my words but words of Quran
009.030 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah,
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^ I guess you realize you are in the small minority with this view that Muslims can't marry women of the book?
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plz brother read my posts again , i have not said that Muslims can't marry women of books , i have said they can't marry comman jews and christens who do shirk
any muslim can marry any jew or christen who believes in only one God ie donot do shirk
and according to Quran there will be some among people of books who will be on write path
003.110
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them:** among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. **
plz brother read my posts again , i have not said that Muslims can't marry women of books , i have said they can't marry comman jews and christens who do shirk
any muslim can marry any jew or christen who believes in only one God ie donot do shirk
and according to Quran there will be some among people of books who will be on write path
003.110
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them:** among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. **
Hmm.... you are basically laying out 2 flaws of the Quran IMO.
1. Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
2. Any book that claims to be God's words where a whole group of people are claimed to be the best of people (check out today and you honestly tell me that Muslims are the most evolved for mankind) while calling another group mostly perverted transgressors just isn't right.
Hmm.... you are basically laying out 2 flaws of the Quran IMO.
1. Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
2. Any book that claims to be God's words where a whole group of people are claimed to be the best of people (check out today and you honestly tell me that Muslims are the most evolved for mankind) while calling another group mostly perverted transgressors just isn't right.
first of all read my post again
1.are you unable to differentiate between uzair and jesus
2.thoes who abuse Allah and say he have son , so do Allah say thankyou you are the best although in sora toba Allah had said , saying Allah have son is the biggest abuse to him
(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.)
bahi , i don't claim , its Quran which says that thoes were mushriks
they were ahley kitab because they have books
even today many muslims are still considered as muslim although they do grave worshiping
they openly do shirk although they are muslim and read Quran as well
Well, Jews believe Ezra was the son of Seraiah, not of God. So that's wrong too.
yes that their books said and it validate Quran that when they say Uzair is son of God is wrong true is Allah have no son or father
same like in 72 different versions of bible , no where there is writen that "Jesus is son of God" neither no where in bible Jesus said , "i am God" but christens says Jesus is son of God
tomorrow if some Christens come to you and say Quran says that chirstans say Jesus is son of God prove it from bible as that is not present in bible you will say , Quran is wrong again
hidus worship idols but their books as well said that do not worship idols , no one can see God etc etc , now if i tells you that hindus worship idols , you will say i am wrong because no where in Geta etc to worship idols
bahi meray see , whenever people left their books they go towards shirk and when ever they come close to their own books thoes books inspite of the fact that they have been changed still forward thoes people to the truth of islam
Actually, the broader topic of why Muslims have historically interpreted cultural practices of Arabs and prophet as religious is an overlooked subject and rarely discussed.
C'mon guys. No Arab is telling us in Pakistan to grow beard these days. Just ask men living in Talibanic Jannat.
You simply receive a "rat-ruqqa" (night-letter) in the night, and next day you have to look in the mirror with one question.
"Should I shave, or get my head shaven off"?
At that important juncture of your life, I mean the moment when your life is literally in your shaving cup, you must decide about your future.
If you have a tiny bit fear of Talib, you will surely grow a beard.
On the other hand, if you are living in Saudi, you are allowed to shave anything you want.
Bottom line: It is not an Arab thing, it is talibanic thingy.
bahi meray see , whenever people left their books they go towards shirk and when ever they come close to their own books thoes books inspite of the fact that they have been changed still forward thoes people to the truth of islam
So are you saying that Muslims that put hadith on par with Quran are commiting shirk and to come to the truth of Islam they should come close to their books?
So are you saying that Muslims that put hadith on par with Quran are commiting shirk and to come to the truth of Islam they should come close to their books?
Why beard? May be the men were real slobs and didn't shave. After a few days it was too much and they went and splurged on a razor. But they found it was really too long for a razor and would need a pair of scissors. These guys were too cheap to throw good money after bad, so just let it grow. But since they'd already bought a razor, they decided to shave the mustache.
Ps: can somebody pls translate this into arabic? any imam or maulvi who wants to make 20 bucks may apply
Not only you don’t understand yourself what you are talking about, you start talking like Dr. Sher Afghan Niazi and Altaf Hussain. For a specific question asked from you will write a book but will not answer that specific question…
My question was why did Holy Prophet and his companions charge Jazya and accorded the status of Ahle Kitaab to normal jews and christains inspite of them being involved in shirk (as per your understanding) ?
Is it so difficult to understand this simple question put to you in simple English?
According to Holy Quran staus of Mushrikeen and Ahle Kitaab is different…
9:29
Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day… and fight People of the Book, who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute by hand, being inferior"
9:30
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
You keep on quoting 9:30 without refering to 9:29…or 9:29 without referring to 9:30…Pls now read them together…
The treatment prescribed for ahle kitaab is in 9:29 which was meted out to normal jews and christains…And 9:30 confirms that this status is inspite of their belief in trinity…Quran never called them mushrik (One who does shirk) inspite of trinity. Maximum at another place quran has called them fasiq (transgresser). And there is a difference between mushrik and fasiq…
Let me give you another example as far as normal christains are concerned…
After the truce of Hudaybiyyah, the Prophet (sws) himself singled out these nations by writing letters to them. In all, they were written to the heads of eight countries.42 Consequently, after consolidating their rule in the Arabian peninsula, the Companions (rta) launched attacks against these countries giving them two options if they wanted to remain alive: to accept faith or to accept a life of subjugation by paying Jizyah. None of these nations were adherents to polytheism in the real sense, otherwise they would have been treated in the same way as the Idolaters of Arabia.
Now with open mind study this and answer my specific question without doing the mental gymnastic what you are doing…
Is it allowed to marry Ahle kitaab? Answer yes or no
Is Jazya a tax only to be charged from ahlekitaab? Answer yes or no
Did our Holy prophet charge Jazya and accorded the status of Ahle Kitaab to normal jews and christains? Answer yes or no
If our Holy Prophet gave normal jews and christains the staus of Ahle kitaab are you implying he did not understand properly the message in quran, or he did a mistake because normal jews and christains indulge in shirk and he should not have given the staus of ahlekitaab to them as written in Quran ( and as Mr. Meheralone understands)? Anwer yes or no?
**No Miss 'Jazakallah brother' that might be the teaching of some ulema but not an Ijmaa. **As I said, tark-e-sunna is Ok as long as you are ashamed and you know that you are doing a wrong thing by not floowing it
Problem is thsi that lot of people now a days not follow sunna proudly and they fond fault in that thought process
And technically, even tark-e-waajib although a sin but that does not make you Kaafir,
Do some research, it is wajib according to four schools of thought and haram to shave it off by some schools. Let me find you a ref. The rest I agree.
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said “I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication.”
Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501.
The teachings of Hadhrat Ammar Bin Yaasir, Abdullah Ibn Umar, Sayyidina Umar, Abu Hurairah and Jaabir (R.A.), indicate that ALL used to keep beards that were one fist length or more. Hadhrat Jaabir (R.A.) had said: “We used to grow long beards and only during Hajj and Umrah did we trim them to the required length (i.e. fist length).”
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: “Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow).” - Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah” - Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi
Hanafi
Imam Muhammed (R.A.) writes in his book “Kitabul Aathaar” where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) who relates from Hadhrat Haytham (R.A.) who relates from Ibn Umar (R.A.) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (R.A.) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifa. Therefore, according to Hanafies, to shorten the beard less than a FIST LENGTH is HARAAM and on this is IJMA (concensus of opinion).
Shafi’i
Imam Shafi (R.A.) in his Kitabul Umm states, “To shave the beard is HARAAM.” (Shari Minhaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).
Maaliki
Shekh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed’s booklet states, “to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all Imams.” It is also mention in “Tamheed” which is a commentary of “Muatta” (Sunnan Imam Malik (R.A.)) that to shave the beard is HARAAM and among males the only ones to resort to this practice (of shaving) are the HERMAPHRODITES (persons who possess both male and female features and characteristics).
Hanbali
The Hanbalies in the famous Al-Khanie’a Hanbali Fatawa Kitab state that “to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is HARAAM.” Also in the Hanbali Mathab books “Sharahul Muntahaa” and “Sharr Manzoomatul Aadaab”, it is stated “The most accepted view is that it is HARAAM (prohibited to shave the beard).”
Also note, according to scholars of Islam: “To shave off the beard is unlawful (haraam) and one who shaves his beard is legally speaking an unrighteous fellow (FASIQ); hence, it is NOT PERMISSIBLE to appoint such a man as an Imam. To say Taraweeh behind such an Imam is MAKRUH-E-TAHRIMI (near prohibition)” (Shami Vol.1, p.523)*
The Durre-Mukhtar states: “No one has called it permissible to trim it (the beard) less than FIST-LENGTH as is being done by some westernized Muslims and hermaphrodites.” (Vol. 2, p. 155). Also, “It is forbidden (haraam) for a man to cut off another’s beard.” (Vol. 5, p. 359).*
If you believe everything from Hadith is true and authentic try explaining me following Hadiths:
Abu Dawud B11 #2126 wrote:
A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.
Abu Dawud B1 #142 wrote:
I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl.
In the same way I really suspect the following Tabiri Hadith as it sounds totally illogical:
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: “Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah” - Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi
The rest of the refrences you have quoted prove Holy Prophet sported a beard of particular type. Nothing more than that…
If you believe everything from Hadith is true and authentic try explaining me following Hadiths:
Abu Dawud B11 #2126 wrote:
A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.
Abu Dawud B1 #142 wrote:
I (the narrator Laqit) then said: Messenger of Allah, I have a wife who has something (wrong) in her tongue, i.e. she is insolent. He said: Then divorce her. I said: Messenger of Allah, she had company with me and I have children from her. He said: Then ask her (to obey you). If there is something good in her, she will do so (obey); and do not beat your wife as you beat your slave-girl.
In the same way I really suspect the following Tabiri Hadith as it sounds totally illogical:
Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "Anyone who shaves has no claim to the mercy of Allah" - Reported by Ibn Abbas (R.A.) in Tibrabi
The rest of the refrences you have quoted prove Holy Prophet sported a beard of particular type. Nothing more than that....
Peace yazdi
Is everything in hadith authentic and true? I don't think Hareeom01 has said that. However, if the hadith is from a Sahih collection then we as Muslims are obliged to believe and have trust in them. We can doubt our understanding of them and we can assume a context for those ahadith, but to reject them when the scholars have not rejected them goes against the nature of the Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah ... You have quoted from Faithfreedom ... please provide why you think your translations of the hadith in question are in any way questionable? Also can you find the original Arabic of the hadiths in question?
What do you want explanation for? The hadith are clear as they come.