Spanish Leader Pulls Troops From Iraq

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** Revising our positions on Iraq after terrorist attacks would be to admit that terrorists are stronger and that they are right

Polish PM
Leszek Miller**

Spain threatens Iraq troop pull-out

Spain has more than 1,300 troops in Iraq
Spain’s Socialist Party prime minister-elect says he will pull troops out of Iraq - unless the UN takes charge.
Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said: “The war in Iraq was a disaster, the occupation of Iraq is a disaster.”

He called for a grand international alliance against terror and an end to “unilateral wars”.

The Socialists won a shock poll victory after voters appeared to turn on the government over its handling of the Madrid bombings that killed 200 people.

Revising our positions on Iraq after terrorist attacks would be to admit that terrorists are stronger and that they are right

Polish PM
Leszek Miller

Spanish troops’ political role
Zapatero in quotes

Police are quizzing five men over the bombings, amid reports that one of them has links to a group blamed for attacks in Casablanca last May that killed 45 people.

Spain supported the US-led war on Iraq despite much domestic opposition. It currently has 1,300 troops in the Polish-led multinational force in the central-south sector.

Meanwhile, Poland - another key US ally - pledged to keep its 2,400 troops in Iraq. However, Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller admitted the defeat of the Spanish conservatives could cause “very serious complications” for Warsaw.

“Revising our positions on Iraq after terrorist attacks would be to admit that terrorists are stronger and that they are right,” Mr Miller told reporters in Tarnow.

Warsaw’s ambassador to Nato, Jerzy Nowak, told Reuters news agency Poland was prepared to stay in charge of the 9,000-strong if Spain, which had been due to take over on 1 July, withdrew.

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Sad day. The appeasment of hitler never worked. Likewise this will not work.

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No offence, but shouldn't the title of this thread be "Spanish Leader To Pull Troops From Iraq"? He hasn't pulled them out already, or has he?

This was his pre-election campaign promise. And after he won the election (3 days after the bomb blasts in Madrid), he re-iterated that he will pull out Spanish troops by June 30.

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Spain PM orders Iraq troops home

Spain’s new prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has given orders for Spanish troops in Iraq to be brought home in “as short a time as possible”.

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hula hula hula hula hula hula hoop :smiley:

Good for the Spanish troops :k:, home sweet home …

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Occupation in place where your not welcome never works

Its a case of Adios amigos and don`t hurry back!

Amerikkka how many more GI Joes getting shot to bits will it take before you get the same message!

Or as suspected Bush and Co don`t value Amerikkkan soldiers lives very highly!

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Sad day. The appeasment of hitler never worked. Likewise this will not work.
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What is your definition of appeasement? When the British Prime Minister and the French President met with Hitler and gave half of Czechoslovakia to him without even informing the Czech government or people, that is called appeasement. When the British and French let Hitler take over Austria, that is called appeasement. If Saddam had again attacked and absorbed a neighbouring country and if US had done nothing that would have been appeasement. There was no reason this time to attack Iraq, and dont please repeat the BS about how cruel he was. If you cared for the Iraqis, why did you not build a UN mandate for it. You could have given the inspectors 4-5 more months and then built a UN coalition and displaced Saddam. That way you would have saved thousand of Iraqis from dying. Why did you want to rush into Iraq, why did you want UN out. Saddam was not going to attack the US in 6 months as was reasoned behind the rush to war. US wanted total control of Iraq, its governance and its assets. Your soundbites about Hitler would work better in Redneck country.

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America should cut it’s losses and get out now while it can…

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Well put :k:. I have read couple of Imdad’s point of view, they are just absurd.

Faisal Bhai, no offence taken. It was the heading that I just copy and pasted.

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Sad day. The appeasment of hitler never worked. Likewise this will not work.
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Have you even read some of the comments made by US troops in the Time Magazine? No i guess not.. Most of them hate it there, they hate the war, most of all they want to come home!

So do the British, the Polish and the Ukrainan.. They know its not fair for them to be there after all this time. Is iraq developing? No! Its sliding into chaos! And the only way wecan stop is is through the United Nations and a peacful development program.

Personally i feel the US started this mess, they should fix it before the consider running away in June... Unfair!

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woohoo, finally - does this make the war illegal??? if a country pulls out i mean?? (according to the 'law')

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*Originally posted by Surya: *
What is your definition of appeasement? When the British Prime Minister and the French President met with Hitler and gave half of Czechoslovakia to him without even informing the Czech government or people, that is called appeasement. When the British and French let Hitler take over Austria, that is called appeasement. If Saddam had again attacked and absorbed a neighbouring country and if US had done nothing that would have been appeasement. There was no reason this time to attack Iraq, and dont please repeat the BS about how cruel he was. If you cared for the Iraqis, why did you not build a UN mandate for it. You could have given the inspectors 4-5 more months and then built a UN coalition and displaced Saddam. That way you would have saved thousand of Iraqis from dying. Why did you want to rush into Iraq, why did you want UN out. Saddam was not going to attack the US in 6 months as was reasoned behind the rush to war. US wanted total control of Iraq, its governance and its assets. Your soundbites about Hitler would work better in Redneck country.
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The UN would dispalce Saddam how exactly? The UN is powerless. It has done nothing in kashmir. And whatever little it has done is with the pwoer of the US forces. Don't get me wrong, UN does good things for charity, but when it comes to making peace between warring people, or removing a brutal dicatator from power, it has to rely on the US alone. Did you know 22% of the UN's budget comes from the US, not to mention all of the military support and transportation? The only way to remove saddam is through military force. I just hope, the liberals and arabs would have shut up during Gulf war I and the coalition could have removed him in 1991.

And do you really think one can have a truce with isalmists? Islamists believe in killing anyone who disagrees with them. You can never ever have epace with such people. You can only kill these kind of people to achieve peace. This is true in pakistan. It is true in Israel, and it is true around the world. Do you think shias in pakistan can have a truce with terrorists? If you think so, then you have no idea how these people are. So this is appeasment, and it will not work.

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..and this will add to more deployment of reserve national guard.

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Here is what appeasement will get you…

MADRID, Spain (CNN) – The body of a Spanish police officer who was killed in a raid on suspected Islamic terrorists was removed from its tomb Sunday night, dragged across a cemetery, doused with gasoline and burned, a Spanish police official told CNN.

Police do not know who committed the crime, and an investigation is under way.

Francisco Javier Torronteras, a special operations police officer, died April 3 during a police raid in a Madrid suburb where police believed suspects behind the March 11 Madrid train bombings were hiding.

The suspected terrorists set off a bomb during the raid and seven of them died, of whom four have been identified.

Police said the suspected ringleaders of the train bombings were among those killed.

Torronteras was not buried underground, but in an above-ground tomb at Madrid’s Southern Cemetery.

Assailants Sunday night used a long pole to pry the tomb open, dragged the body about 200 meters, covered it with gasoline and set it on fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/04/19/spain.body/index.html

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Appeasement?!

The greatest, the most damaging appeasement to occur in the ordeal that is Iraq was when Bush caved in to Sistani and set June 30 in stone. That was appeasement. Gratification for the short term. Nothing more.

Hell. Spain would be a target even if Saddam were never born and we never went into Iraq. They're certainly not in any more danger because they've withdrawn from Iraq. Think about it.. terrorists will try to attack you in your homeland regardless, so why give them an exposed target in Iraq also? The Spanish security services will deal with the terrorist threat as they always have and always will.

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Sick, just sick. And it’s not some far away land this happened in, but in spain. This is the islamist way of dealing with dead bodies as iraq has told us recently.

More proof that Islamism is completely against and an enemy of Islam. How much proof does one need before muslims will open their eyes to the evil around them?

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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
More proof that Islamism is completely against and an enemy of Islam.
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So, what exactly is Islamism? Care to share your thoughts. :)

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
So, what exactly is Islamism? Care to share your thoughts. :)
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If the powers that be promise not to ban me, I will tell all. :)

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How is occupying iraq appeasement The Amerikkkans illegally occupied a country they are the terrorists they need to get lost back to miami beach or alabama where ever the hell they came from.

First they claimed the people fighting them are saddam loyalists

then when that excuse became lame they said it was terrorists

then they said it was sunni militants

then it was the shia militants

How many more excuses they gonna use the fact is Iraq don`t want them and if they need proof just look at the iraqis reaction when a GI Joe gets shot or killed!

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Another country says bye, bye…

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4871854&section=news

Honduran Troops to Quit Iraq as Soon as Possible

Honduras will withdraw its 370 troops from Iraq “in the shortest possible time,” President Ricardo Maduro said on Monday. “I have told the coalition countries that the troops are going to return from Iraq,” Maduro said in a speech on national television and radio. “I have ordered… the carrying out of the decision taken in the shortest possible time and under safe conditions for our troops.” Soldiers from Honduras, a strong U.S. ally in Central America, have been clearing mines and providing medical care in central Iraq since last summer. They had previously been set to leave when their mandate expires in July.