Sons of Soil and Sindhi Language

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It was a bad joke from Waleed and he is not what you are referring to him. His mother tongue is Punajbi.

It was unnatural for them, though in past history we see even Afghans, Tarkhan and Arghun getting assimilated in Sindhi society. There is a basic difference between those early settlers and people who settled after 1947 partition. Earlier settlement didn’t convert locals into minority and therefore those settlers (be it invaders or people who got refuge in Sindh due to circumstances in their native areas) had to learn local languages and adapt local culture. In 1947, the case is different. There was a feeling of losing homeland, roots and identity in migrants and they manly settled in Karachi and other urban areas of Sindh and they formed majority in those areas. Like in Karachi, which was a Sindhi majority area in early 1940s, Sindhis became minority by end of 1948 due to migration of Sindhi Hindus. So, majority never accepted local culture and language.

Sindhis never had problem with Urdu, even when they run moments for Sindhi, many Sindhi writers like Shaikh Ayaz were writing in Urdu. Sindh’s concern is acknowledgment of their language. They never wanted it to be imposed on others. They never said that Urdu should not be official language or medium of instruction in Sindh. All they wanted acknowledgment of Sindhi as official language alongwith other languages, so that they can use their mother tongue as medium of instruction in schools and for voter lists, NIC, etc. This, however, never created good vibes among Urdu speaking bureaucracy and hence the incidents like 1972 language riots.

As far as Punjab’s position is concerned on Urdu and other languages including their own mother tongue, I think Mushtaque Sufi nailed it in his recent article.

Punjab Notes: Punjab’s dilemma! - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

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This basic issue was After Gandhi, Congress was ready with second and even third line of leader (Shashtri was third line) while league wasn't that mature, Jinnah didn't had time for this, he wanted to create a nation and had faith that somehow Liaquat Ali would manage it.

As far language, Make every language official :)

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Is it uni-directional or mutual?

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There have been clashes including language riots among the communities, so now its mutual. Karachi got pockets (call it ghettos) for different ethncities.. Malir and Lyari for Sindhi and Balochs, Lalu Khet, Liaquat abad for Urdu speaking population, Sohrab Goth for Pathans. People are very much afraid going into others areas specially after the recent kidnapping of Urdu speaking community by Lyari gangs. The city is multicultural, but this multiplicity is most of the times not celebrated in positive manner especially when we talk of political parties.

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So is it the cases that every ethnicity is represented by just one political party?

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yes, this is true to a good extent. At least, political parties claim so. MQM for Urdu speaking, PPP for Sindhi, ANP for Pashtuns. New players are entering the scene or the player which never got success with the electoral process. Then there is a sizable population, which lost trust in political process.

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Then this points to that democracy hasn't taken roots.

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Thats a well known truth about Pakistan :)

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Oh great.

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Close reading of Jinnah's life suggest that he didn't have much faith in any of his supposed successors. He figuratively was a one man army, and this is precisely what makes him such an extraordinary character.

In Pakistan, in placed where literacy rate is abdominally low, stirring emotions on the issue of race, religion and regionality is child's play. Politics of xenophobia sells where people are made to feel afraid and endangered.

Credit must be given to India for sticking to English as another common lingua franca, as a result, India today is in a very good position to provide global workforce. You know they say in UK, the reason why Indian doctors tend to perform better than their Pakistani counterparts in passing UK entry exams is because their understanding of English language is much better. Unfortunately, all that excessive romanticism with languages and the demand to have textbooks in your mother tongue telling students how they are God's gift to mother earth hasn't proved to be very beneficial.

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If Sindhis are struggling to have their language as medium of instruction and textbooks in Sindhi up until class 10 or as they call it metric, doesn't it vastly hinder students' ability to become proficient in Urdu and English? At metric, most Pakistani students are expected to be at advance level in Urdu (and/or in English if they study in good private schools), so where does that put Sindhi students in terms of knowledge and skills in two extremely valuable languages in Pakistan - probably at learners to intermediate level? That means they go into college with less than average Urdu and English literacy? This effectively also means that Sindhi students' employability at both national and international level, and their chances of acquiring social and geographic mobility is significantly reduced.

There is a huge difference between learning Sindhi in school and learning everything in Sindhi. I support the former as myself grew up formally studying another language and I enjoyed it.

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I have a personal experience of being from Sindhi medium school till class 10 and I never felt any difficulty in adapting any language. The grip on my language helped me understand other languages in a better way. Its not about which medium of instruction you use, its more about quality of text books (in different languages) and how your teachers teach you. In Pakistan, how many teachers are well spoken in English and are able to convey their message in English to their students? One should be realistic. Every society has its preferences / requirements and different level of attachment with the languages, so there is no fixed formula one can suggest for these societies. There are countries in the world, who don’t speak English (Spain, China, Germany), but still they have a presence in international market and language has never been a barrier in their mobility.

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Report on English in Sindh schools launched | ePaper | DAWN.COM

KARACHI: Several concerns about the teaching and learning of English in Sindh`s schools were highlighted at the launch of the second research publication on the language in education series by the Society for the Advancement of Education (SAHE) and the Campaign for Quality Education (CQE) in a local hotel on Tuesday.

The study, Teaching and Learning English in Sindh Schools, analyses English language use in classrooms in Sindh and seeks to inform the policy debate on adopting English as the medium of instruction in public schools in Pakistan.

Giving an overview of language and education during a discussion on SAHE/CQE prior study on the teaching and learning in English in schools of Punjab, Abbas Rashid executive director of SAHE that their basic concern was twopronged does the introduction of English in early schooling hinder or help learning and what happens to the learning of English itself during it all? Then we also come to the issue of medium of instruction and at what stage is it appropriate to introduce a second language in schools, he said.

`But first of all we have the basic question, why English? English has become synonymous with quality, he said, adding that having two different systems of education where private schools were English medium and the government schools Urdu-medium was contributing to class divide hence steps were being taken towards equity by introducing the language in government schools.

But now when government schools in Punjab had been teaching English for some three years, it had been noticed by taping classroom sessions there that there was not much learning going on in the language and English was used in reading out from textbooks or just giving commands. The explanatory component of questions and answers and interaction in English was just not there and the children were unable to express themselves in the language.

**Even the subjects of maths and science are not understood by them when taught in English, he said.
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Dr Fatima Dar, assistant professor at the VM Institute for E ducation and an independent researcher, sharedherñndings onteachingand learning English in schools of Sindh. The National Education Policy of 2009 says that English should be made compulsory in all schools so we thought of seeing how that will work out by examining the conditions, she said.

Taping the class eight lessons in schools of four districts of Sindh Karachi, Sukkur, Jamshoro andKhairpur she shared her findings by reporting that 30 per cent of the words used in the classroom were English and those, too, were mostly read out from textbooks.

**`The discussions carried out in class also comprised close-ended questions. There was also a high incidence of code switching where the teachers switched to the mother tongue to explain topics or to give instructions because they themselves felt comfortable using that language. The students, too, could not easily converse in English and felt more comfortable reading in English from a textbook.

`We also found that there was no big difference between the rural and urban schools. All had weak classroom strategies for teaching English, their teachers lacked competency to teach English and the students had poor language skills.

And all this despite the teachers having BEd and MEd qualifications,` said Dr Dar.

`Then when we talked to the teachers, most of whom said that they felt that the children learnt better in the mother tongue but the parents on the other hand wanted their children to study English for all the wrong reasons.
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**They thought English would help them get better job opportunities, have better prospects abroad.
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They simply associated prestige and power with English.

And after reviewing class eight textbooks, Dr Dar realised that the books needed more learning activities instead of carrying repetitive themes. She recommended aligning the curriculum and the textbooks and teaching English as a subject with focus on communication from class one.

Giving a practitioners view about language practice in the classrooms of Sindh, Sadiga Salahuddin, executive director at the Indus Resource Centre, said she felt that it was not really an issue about education. She saw it more as a political issue. People think it there basic right to teach their children English but we wonder how to teach the language when we lack an English-teaching environment, she said. ** She shared her having overheard a parent telling some researchers from the World Bank in Khairpur that she had two children, one wanted to become a judge and the other a doctor, but she didnt know how that was going to happen since the children didn`t know English.

The mother thought that the language had to do with knowledge of law and medicine. The parents vision is also important. After all I, too, am a mother and I sent my children to the schools of my choice.

Therefore I say, dont dismiss par-ents dreams. We must see how we can help them realise the dreams they have for their children,` Ms Salahuddin said.**

**She said that when opening a school she had also wanted to impart the best English teaching to the children but when they interviewed teachers for the job none of them could match her standards.

So looking at the ground realities, we had to lower our standards a little. The fault is in the system, not in the parents for having high hopes for their children, she said.
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Actually, its not just English that they want their children to learn, they also want them to know computers. And its also not that English is not doing well here, the Sindhi language, too, is in dire straits here. I know of students who have done their Masters in Sindhi Adab but they cant recite a verse other than Bhitals verses, Ms Salahuddin said.

Senior education trainer Abbas Hussain said there were so many colleges offering BEd and MEd courses in English but not many interested in enrolling in them.

The dialogue was also attended by Raza Ali Abedi as well as representatives from the Bureau of Curriculum & Extension Wing, AKU-IED, Teach for Pakistan, SPELT and the TCF.

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His personality in resoluteness and decision making is very much similar to David Ben-Gurion. Gurion had people to lead his country for another 30 years till Meir. I think Jinnah chose between two options probably, secular Indian Union and separate Pakistan with ineffective leadership. Only think that amazes me is how he thought East and West Pakistan would stay in union being that different.

English as common lingua franca was necessity. This was the only language that entire India had in common, Iyer can speak with Kaul to this day only through this only. Now learning this language generate employment. In Delhi, if one can speak english there is a job for living :)

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It is no academic secret that Jinnah would not have taken on the mission to creating Pakistan had Nehru agreed to British proposed Three Tier Constitution. While Jinnah agreed to united India with Three Tier Constitution demand, it was Gandhi who said it is worse than creating Pakistan. Hence the reason why Brits vehemently despised Gandhi and Congress because of their stubborn refusal to accept their Three Tier Constitution which was seen as prelude to partition.

Considering how the Irish Question was a central theme in British politics during the course of time when Jinnah was in the UK, it is indeed quite baffling how he thought East and West could remain part of a federation based in part of the country. It didn't work for UK despite centuries old effort to make it work, it wouldn't have worked for Pakistan either.

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Teachers’ training and general standards of teaching English language needs to be improved all over Pakistan. This is why I said students from very good private schools - meaning excellent and well funded schools that can afford qualified teachers - have much better employability chances both nationally and internationally.

The countries you’ve mentioned are developed countries, strong economies and future imperial powers, people learn their languages and go to their countries to find work. All this isn’t happening in Pakistan any time soon. In that part of the world, language and ethnicity cards are pulled to play dirty politics and keep regions hostage to political mafias. Europe stopped thinking like after the end of WWII. There is a whole history behind how in order to make EU happen, European countries had to let of their excessive feel good pride in their languages and race, and there is a reason why world hasn’t seen anything Union like European Union till date.

PS. We here tend to think that Germans speak very good English when they come over.

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But how many people can afford to send their children in those expensive schools? hardly 5-10%. We need to think about 90% majority.

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...And this is where my real debate starts. Pakistan needs to clamp down on educational inequalities and reduce class differences by making English accessible to all students. In post colonial countries, it is ultimately the imperial language that defines class privileges, so teach all student decent English, invest in good teachers and effective teacher's training, and reform and transform government schools, and bring private schools' fees into strict regulations.

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This is exactly the purpose Urdu language was supposed to serve and has served effectively in Pakistan. It is just common trend amongst nationalists to disown and discredit the language, and treat is an imposed curse. I really don't understand the the disdain the nationalists hold for Urdu, it's a very pleasant and courteous language. Pakistanis should be proud how their country is supposed to be the caretaker of this novel language.

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People don't have problem with acknowledgement of Urdu. They have problem with discrediting their own languages. I think one can understand the difference between two.