Son pleads for help as mother awaits stoning in Iran

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Quran is God's words. Hadith is Prophet's words and actions.
But there is a lot more confusion in quoting hadith, unfortunately. People spent all their lives trying to separate reliable hadith from unreliable hadith (that is, a hadith concocted by someone else).

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1) Quran is the divine word, who's guarantee of accuracy given by God Himself.

2) Haadith are the Prophet (PBUH) sayings, which are collected after his death - after 2/3 hundred years later .

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So why is the Haadith more important than what is mentioned in the Quran?????? Specially after 2/3 hundred years after the Prophet's (PBUH) death....?????????????????????

Exactly as you guys are saying - it could have been MISQUOTED!! The Prophet (PBUH) was not there to confirm that those are his words that are written and that is what Allah actually wanted!!!

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It’s not like that, the way Haadith is collected, the methods use by historians are beyond any mistake - but the collectors were humans, they can make mistakes.

read this for more information:

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good points, quran does not say stoning, stoning is from judaic law.
other questions are, how else were adulterers punished? and what law applied to them at that time, did they receive punishments based on 'islamic law' or the prevailing law of the tribe or group that the perp belonged to.

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@firenze: Thanks for that.

I think this is why I always get confused…coz as far as I remember when I read the translation of the Quran, there was nothing barbaric written, but then I read threads like this and wonder what happened!!!

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the methods used to collect hadith are NOT beyond any mistake. You can read about critique of methods by historians. while the approach took away thousands of false and/or improperly supported hadith, there are contradictory hadith, as well as some that would leave you confused in the hadith books. mutiple corraborating sources does not mean the statement is true, it could be untrue due to collusion, due to misunderstanding, due to errors..many things. hadith is not gods word, it is not beyond scrutiny.

people forget that the biggest scrutiny of hadith was done by the compilers themselves, because they too believed that the hadith they were hearing was not above scrutiny. If we dont call their leanings, intentions, etc in question and assume/believe that they had the best in mind and did not let their personal biases or leanings taint their work, it still does not make them error proof and still does not mean that they would get accurate info using their methods at that time.

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i agree :k: .. i was just referring to: Science of Haadith.

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and lastly, regardless of punishment..the judge has no evidence, why is he then not adhering to requirements for evidence..especially when the (wrong) punishment is so harsh.

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sorry amigo..understood your point pretty much as soon as i posted.

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Pir Sahab, do you seriously believe in tribal/talibanic world - they will look for evidence - it's a one man rule, as per their understanding of religion they will force it, the end.

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Honestly they are ruining the name of Islam!! Ppl who have never read the Quran judge Muslims according to the barbaric acts of the Taliban :(

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I dont, i am hoping that the people who are arguing for stoning being an islamic punishment also hold the judge accountable for the written islamic burden of evidence, which from what I just read, is not present.

the punishment could be kicking a perp through the fabric of time and space into bhutan circa 1821, that is irrelevant if the 'crime' has not been proven.

or while for punishment people can cling to some book, but not for evidence needed for conviction?

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except this time its not the idiot talebans but some assclown iranian judge.
and the interesting thing is that the idiots on irani and talebani side disagree on pretty much anything, except when it comes to being idiots.

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anyone got any links on where to add your voice to voices against this? amnesty or local govts in diff countries?

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1) if you are so worried about your divine laws the come back and live with jahil talibans.Why you are living in a kafir land?

2) Do you have mother and sister? all these talibanis rule will be applied to them also. Dont u feel ashamed of yourself?

3) I will be watching all your post and if I find anything provoking ..i will forward it to respective goverment authority.

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^:rotfl: hehehehe…I like the way you said that…

you are sooo true…they are world class idiots and make the rest of us look like idiots too!!!

I have had explain to so many of my friends that Islam and the Quran is not violent and barbaric as the idiots make it look like.

The first time i read the translation of the Quran I was shocked, coz I started wondering where all this violence is coming from!!!

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http://www.amnesty.org/en/appeals-for-action/end-execution-stoning-iran

End execution by stoning in Iran

Your Excellency,

I am writing to express my deep concern that individuals continue be sentenced to death by stoning in Iran.

At least eight women and three men are at risk of being stoned to death in Iran. In addition, at least six executions by stoning have been carried out in spite of the moratorium issued by the Head of the Judiciary in 2002. Execution by stoning aggravates the brutality of the death penalty and is a method specifically designed to increase the victim’s suffering as the stones are deliberately chosen to be large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the victim immediately.

I am aware that a draft law amending the Penal Code is currently before the Majles for approval. I understand that this bill proposes an amendment to the law on stoning, so that if it is regarded as being in the national interest that an individual’s sentence of stoning should not be implemented, the sentence can be suspended at the request of the Public Prosecutor with the agreement of the Head of the Judiciary.

I welcome these steps towards reform, but nonetheless I urge your government, as a State party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights,to ensure that any legislation eventually passed is in line with Iran’s obligations under international law, so that no one in Iran risks the death penalty for having consensual sexual relations in private.

An immediate moratorium on executions by stoning should be enforced until these changes can become law. All individuals currently under sentence of death by stoning in Iran should have their sentences commuted immediately.

Yours sincerely,

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i did not mention anything about it being applying only to poor people. only commented on the current situation where the upper class get no punishment whereas the poor pay for everything they do. anyway, that’s besides the point.

i agree with X2, all the laws surrounding the stoning should also be applied.

aaliyah, islam is a religion which makes sense. it doesn’t have any punishment just for the ‘sake of it’. stoning is not only to punish the individual, it’s to deter the society from even getting close to such crimes. have a read here, it will all make sense http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=4208&CATE=42

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HAs compassion not entered into their hearts. Where is teh evidence that she actually did anything wrng.