Someone should dare to proceed against Musharraf: CJ

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The CJ is a funny dude. If a chicken f@rts he would take somoto action against him, but he wants someone else to go after Mushy. He has been busy bulling the civilian govt for last 5 years, but has no balls go after a retired general.

Someone should dare to proceed against Musharraf: CJ - thenews.com.pk

ISLAMABAD: Chief Justice (CJ) Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry has remarked that former president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf is in Pakistan and if someone has the courage, he should come forward and start proceedings against him.

A three-member bench of the apex court presided over by CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry took up the Adiala Jail prisoners and Fata Regulation case on Wednesday. Ghulam Nabi, Advocate, appeared on behalf of Professor Ibrahim and Tariq Asad, Advocate, represented the Adiala Jail prisoners in the court.

Counsel for Professor Ibrahim took the plea that the Fata regulations were illegal and unconstitutional and they were a blatant breach of human rights. He said that Pervez Musharraf, during his tenure, took stern action against the innocent people by launching a military operation and several innocent people were killed while many others were still under arrest and none among them had been presented before the court and their fate had not been decided yet.

At this, the CJ remarked, “Pervez Musharraf is in Pakistan at present. Whosoever wants can initiate proceedings against him. If someone has the courage, he should come forward and initiate proceedings against him. Everyone has this opportunity. Will only court do all the jobs?”

The court was told about the prisoners of the Adiala Jail that the accused had been shifted to the Kohat jail. The accused were facing illicit arms cases in addition to kidnapping and murder cases. The court observed that the case would be heard in detail and adjourned the hearing till April, 8.

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Reminds me a joke:

An injured person comes to ER almost dying.

Only a senior resident was in ER.

All nurses looked at him to do something.

He yells!

" Someone please call for a doctor"

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Actually, Iftikhar knows that there is no case against Musharraf that could stand in court as all allegations on Musarraf are baseless accusations, propaganda, irrelevant cases in nature, or fabricated lies. So, to take suo moto action would be silly.

On the other hand CJ has left door open for anyone to take case in court on baseless accusations, propaganda, irrelevant cases in nature, or fabricated lies … because when arguments would start in court all would become clear and case would be thrown out, as court decision do not work on propaganda or to make some people feel nice, but are based on logical arguments with proofs.

On the other hand, most lawyers also know the facts and very few in their right mind would initiate case against Musharraf. That is the reason, no case in court has yet started by any respectable authority against Musharraf.

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Let see:

1999 take over. Musharraf was not even on ground, Army took over and handed the government to Musharraf. Country and courts supported the takeover. So, no case can stand against Musharraf.

2007 emergency: It is legal right of army chief with agreement of President to declare emergency (if there is war, external aggression, or sufficient internal disturbance in country and President agrees with army chief), and thus emergency was legal (Pakistan was/is facing external aggression from Al-Q and Taliban, and was at war with them). No need to even go to parliament for validation. (Nevertheless, what I believe, Supreme Court under CJ Dogar did validated 2007 emergency even when it was not required)

Judges case: Once emergency is declared, government can ask court to take fresh oath or go home. So, fresh oath was not illegal

Bughti: He did challenged the state and when government went to negotiate with him in cave, he attacked them with heavy shells and consequently, cave caved-in killing all in the cave, so no one really killed Bughti. On the other hand, even if Bughti had got killed (What he was not), still he was responsible of his own death because he started armed revolt against the government.

Lal Masjid Khwarjees: They started armed revolt against the state and were breaking laws. Government asked them to surrender, and they did not, rather attacked the state law enforcement agencies, so government took action against them as government thought appropriate. So, nothing illegal about that what can stand in Court.

BeNazir: She was given adequate security and was safe just like others with her stayed safe. She was herself responsible for her death, as no one asked her to protrude her head out of secure car, and become sitting duck for gunmen. that caused her death. So .. no case here.

Giving wanted terrorists to USA and personals of law enforcement agencies who arrested wanted terrorists got the rewards. Nothing wrong here as all who was given to USA were foreign terrorists, and their own country was unwilling to take them (as before giving to USA, Pakistan asked their own country to take them).

Afia case: Pakistan government as well as Americans always claimed that she was arrested in Afghanistan. So there could be no case in court.

Missing persons: This case is to do with security agencies and suspected terrorists or anti-state elements.President do not even know what is happening in this respect. Nothing to do with President or President office, neither President would know about them. So, no valid case.

Drone attacks: It is right of government to decide if they want to take help from foreign country in eliminating terrorists working in their area or not, and thus Pakistan government had all right to take American help or allow Americans to use drone over Pakistani territory, especially against those who were/are fighting Pakistani forces. So, no case in court could stand,

And so on … anyone who would take case in court would have to prove without doubt that what happened as I wrote above is wrong.

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One million guns
Who dares
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You should join one of those Pirzaadas, Pakistan's unconstitutional law guru, and start you own law firm.

In any case, you did not mention 2007 emergency by Mush when he booted out the judges. His previous action may have gotten cover from courts and the parliament, but he has no such cover for his 2007 actions. There is also joint parliamentary resolution calling for his prosecution.

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^^^ Sorry my mistake. I did mentioned 2007 emergency, but gave date 1997 by mistake (corrected the date after reading your post). If you had read the post you would have known and overlooked the error.

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There is no law for them . Law is only for Bloody civilians .
but i know why you are supporting General :salute:
but i know why you are supporting General

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There is much more in
Musharraf returns

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PPP, PML-N reluctant to move against Musharraf | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Although fuming and seething with anger over Gen Musharraf’s return to the country and his plans to contest elections from several constituencies of the country, both PPP and PML-N appear reluctant to take the former army chief to the Supreme Court for abrogating the constitution, and instead rely on the ECP and the judiciary to do the job.

In background interviews a number of prominent leaders of the two parties said they considered Gen Musharraf guilty of committing treason under Article 6 for abrogating the country’s constitution, but want the judiciary to take suo motu action against him.

Talking to Dawn, PPP leader and a former federal minister Syed Khurshid Shah asked why the PML-N, which had always criticised the PPP government for allowing Gen Musharraf to leave the country and for not taking action against him under Article 6, was now quietly watching the former dictator roaming freely in the country.

But PML-N’s deputy secretary general Ahsan Iqbal, when contacted, put the responsibility of taking action against Gen Musharraf on the judiciary, and said the Supreme Court in its verdict had already termed the decision of Gen Musharraf to impose emergency on Nov 3, 2007 “an extra-constitutional act”.

Mr Iqbal urged the Election Commission of Pakistan to reject the nomination papers of Gen Musharraf since “he falls in the ambit of Article 6 and breaches Articles 62 and 63”.

“It is very heartening to see that the Supreme Court and the ECP are taking stern action against holders of fake degrees and defaulters of bank loans and utility bills, but the irony is that the dictator who suspended the constitution is freely roaming in the country,” the PML-N leader said.

He alleged that the PPP government did not proceed against Gen Musharraf due to arrangements the party had made with the military ruler under the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO).

“Now the nation expects the judiciary to take suo motu action against a dictator who played havoc with the constitution, judiciary, media and parliament,” he said.

Replying to a question, Mr Iqbal said the party leadership would soon issue directives to its candidates in constituencies where Gen Musharraf planned to contest polls, to challenge his nomination papers.

On the other hand, PPP’s Syed Khurshid Shah said his party did not want to stop anyone from participating in the elections because it was a democratic right of every citizen. He said it was up to the people of Pakistan to accept or reject a candidate.

Mr Shah, however, said the PPP did not feel any threat from Gen Musharraf in the elections. He said the retired general should be allowed to have a “taste of real elections” as this would also expose the “referendum drama” which all dictators had staged to legitimise their coups.

A spokesman for Gen Musharraf’s party, the All Pakistan Muslim League said Gen Musharraf was ready to face any situation and was determined to contest elections.

Sources in the party said that Gen Musharraf, staying in his farmhouse in Islamabad, met Saira Bano who is contesting election against PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif on NA 120 in Lahore. Ms Bano is a daughter of renowned wrestler Jhara Pehelwan and a cousin of Begum Kalsoom Nawaz, the wife of Mr Nawaz Sharif.

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Strange the president who was COAS and had ISI under him didnt know how people were getting abducted. Was he incompetent?

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Nothing would happen to the General. The court knows its limits, hence they are trying to put the onus on civilians. Benazir has signed an NRO with the General hence they wouldnt go against him. As far as PMLN is concerned, they have been mocking PPP for giving the retired general a grand farewell. Strangely even they are quiet after his arrival in the country.

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An Abbotabad court which has declared Mush proclaimed offender in past , Today declined to issue orders of arrest of Mush .

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He was innocent or not, thats an irrelevant question. The real reason why he is not being touched is that he is an ex COAS. He will not be punished like Aslam Baig who is known to have played a role the 90's to overthrow governments and bring their opponents to power (the musical chair which has destroyed the country).

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It is nothing to do with being incompetent. We all know that the way Pakistan intelligence is working since 1947, if military perceives anyone is threat to state, they can do anything to that person, including abduction and torture. This is unfortunately continuous policy.

The policy became worse when Bhutto started political wing in ISI and used ISI to victimise political opponents. Along with ISI, Bhutto also formed FSF, and was using FSF ... Federal Security Force ... to abduct, victimise, and even kill his political opponents ... but here we are not talking about Bhutto ... who in this respect was worse then any ruler or dictator Pakistan has seen (he was hanged also because of his similar activities, where he got Qasuri dad killed using FSF), though Jiyalas would never mention that.

I believe, Musharraf may not be knowing individual cases, but must be knowing that ISI is abducting people whom they think are threat to country (by being active part of Taliban, part of Baluchistan anti-state forces, or whatever).

What I wrote is that, if case would go to court, it is obvious that Musharraf through lawyer would deny any knowledge of such abduction happening (even ISI deny such abduction), or that at least he was not involved and it was work of state security who were independent to act against unwanted elements whom they considered as perceive threats to state. Now, it would be on prosecution lawyer to prove in court beyond doubt that Musharraf was involved in such abductions or abduction happened by his order ... something impossible to prove.

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Pakistan day inter pass Mamay .
پاکستان دے انٹر پاس مامے

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Musharraf did violate his oath. But what about the violation of articles 62 & 63 of the constitution by successive PMs while in power? Should they also not be punished for plundering and looting the national wealth & for violating their oath? To say that elected people can only be held accountable via elections is a weak argument esp. in a country like ours where masses are by & large illiterate and corrupt themselves and where politics is dominated by regional affiliations, baradari system and electable crooks

I would be in favour of a trial if the politician in Q was a man of integrity, someone like Liaqat Ali Khan

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better than sarak chaap, angootha chaap Mamay

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But but how can anyone take panga with this jawaan?

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Huma woh parindah hay ka agar Huma ka sayea kise kay sar par aa jayea tou woh badshah ban jaata hay (Persian mythology). Now, when Huma is saying that it is difficult for anyone to take phanga with Musharraf then it means, sooner or later, Musharraf would rule Pakistan again. :slight_smile:

Asif: You are forgetting spelling by Zardari who when visited Quaid Mazar after becoming President of Pakistan, he wrote a classic English sentence in visitor book with Angootha Chaap spelling:

‘May Gaad give us the strent to save Pakistan’… Asif A Zardari ,.. President Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Aab kiya kiya jaa sakta hay, we have competition between ‘Inter pass middle class competent army generals’ as leaders and ‘Angootha Chaap looto aur phooto haram-khoor’ leaders. One can have their pick :wink: