Well, were are your statistics, prove what you just said. Have you not heard of people like Dr. Abdul Salam, or Sir Zafar-ullah Chaudry?
Even if we were to take your statement as truth, tell us, how many educated nobles/literate of Quraish believed in our Holy Prophet(SA) when he(SA) announced his prophethood? Was it the literate Abu-Jahal who believed in him(SA) or the black slave Hazrat Bilal (ra)? Did king of Habsha not ask the representative sent by Quraish if first followers of Muhammad (SA) were ordinary folk or noble upperclass people, and when told that they were the former, did he not acknowledge that that is one of the signs of the true faiths? So your objection does not hold water in any case.
Trooper, if anyone who needs to provide stats is mirza tahir who use spew out lie after lie on that propagand machine known as MTA, did he ever provide any figures...NO. He only spewed out drivel.
zaroor zaroor–thora intezar ker lain…aaj ya kal time milay ga tau
Trooper..
I unfortunately do not have time to read your posts/justifications..
please tell me even if ariya samajh or some other person used abuses …was it appropriate to use such words in reply… like * chupkay chupkay karwati hay zana * -----kia bazari shaeri hay
You have already stated in one of your posts that religious ppl should not abuse…
also please shed some light on dual statments made by mirza sahib .
I am confused…mirza sahib goes to extremes to praise english government
How can you have time to sling garbage at someone but not have time to read replies? All I asked you to do is since you posted page 60 of that book, please go ahead and post pages 50 to 59 of that very same book so that the whole issue is clarified.
I can quote from the Quran and say “O ye who believe! Go not near Prayer …”, but you will have to read the whole thing to understand the exact context, Quran says "O ye who believe! Go not near Prayer when you are not in full possession of your senses, until you know what you are saying, nor when you are unclean, except when you are travelling along a way, until you have bathed. And if you are ill or you are on a journey while unclean, or if one of you comes from the privy or you have touched women and you find no water, then betake yourselves to pure dust and wipe therewith your faces and your hands. Surely, Allah is the Effacer of sins, Forgiving, "
This is exactly what you have done above, taken sections out of books with the sole purpose of attacking him(AS) and misleading others. Half truth is a lie!
Wrong again! He(AS) only said that a government that has established peace in the land.
It is a well known fact that at that time in Panjab, sikhs under the rue of Raja Ranjeet Singh had oppressed muslims and committed heinous crimes against Muslim population as an act of vengeance for abuse suffered at the hands of invading Afghan/Muslim armies for centuries. Majority of Muslim landlords were brutally murdered, their properties plundered and looted. In such circumstances British were in fact the ones who established peace for ordinary Muslim and non-Muslim people. But he (AS) clearly states that we have a difference of belief with European Nations/races and absolutely dislike the things they associate with God. But Religion has got nothing to do with Government.
This reminds me of when Jesus(AS) said to Jews to give to Ceaser what they owed to Ceaser, give to God what they owed to God. Jews were were furious when they heard this, they were waiting for a prophet who would rid them of Ceaser, but Jesus(AS) preached loyalty to Government. Do you not see now why our Holy Prophet(SA) gave him(AS) the title of Jesus(AS)?
And this has nothing to do with what we were discussing. You alleged that “illitrate” people are becoming Ahmadies, while literate ones are rejecting Ahmadiat. Below is what I said:
Well, were are your statistics, prove what you just said. Have you not heard of people like Dr. Abdul Salam, or Sir Zafar-ullah Chaudry?
Even if we were to take your statement as truth, tell us, how many educated nobles/literate of Quraish believed in our Holy Prophet(SA) when he(SA) announced his prophethood? Was it the literate Abu-Jahal who believed in him(SA) or the black slave Hazrat Bilal (ra)? Did king of Habsha not ask the representative sent by Quraish if first followers of Muhammad (SA) were ordinary folk or noble upperclass people, and when told that they were the former, did he not acknowledge that that is one of the signs of the true faiths? So your objection does not hold water in any case.
I have posted images full page of the refrence image....*abb main poori kitab tau nahi post ker sakta * any way.....
my first point was about abuses mirza jee used.....what is the need of refrence to the context....my point is served - the person used bazari language..and that was exactly what i was trying to prove..
then i quoted one instance of mirza Jees lies
He said no one is his teacher...
then in another book gives account of his teachers... what refrence do you need..zalim
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It is a well known fact that at that time in Panjab, sikhs under the rue of Raja Ranjeet Singh had oppressed muslims and committed heinous crimes against Muslim population as an act of vengeance for abuse suffered at the hands of invading Afghan/Muslim armies for centuries. Majority of Muslim landlords were brutally murdered, their properties plundered and looted. In such circumstances British were in fact the ones who established peace for ordinary Muslim and non-Muslim people. But he (AS) clearly states that we have a difference of belief with European Nations/races and absolutely dislike the things they associate with God. But Religion has got nothing to do with Government.
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Reread the first reference ragarding this....
Mirza Jee kehtay hain
* Mera walid Ghulam murtaza ( baap ka nam lainai ki bhii tameez nahi hay ) ungraze ka wafdar aur khair khwah thaa..jis na ghadar main ungrazon ki imdad ki thee *
the have a look at the reply of Mr wilson.. to Mr abba qadiyani
*I have persuade *your application reminding me of you and your families past services **
again very clear...what is the the need of reading the other pages of a namaqool book :D
Mian---come back to islam.....think about it...do not even tell uss..just think about the truth...and seek ALLAH's help
What if some non-Muslim presents half ahadith in a public forum to show wrong and false image of the Holy Prophet (SA) and when you ask him to post complete Ahadith with his sources (which is a very reasonable request) he tells you “…*abb main poori kitab tau nahi post ker sakta * any way…” do you think that will be fair representation of truth?
Very well done bao bhai. Mashallah, may Allah reward you for this. Keep it up.
I am really surprised on the language Mirza used in his books. Some of examples u gave, certainly serves to proof level of his mentality. And I am sure a Prophet can never use such wording for anyone. NEVER.
ata bhai…ALLAH aap ki dua ko meray aap kay aur baqi sub kay haq main qabool farmai..
Allama ata ullah shah bukhari once said…* meray pas tau akhirat main khatm e nabuwat kay kam kay ilawa kuch nahi hay * he is the same aalim who ince challenged mirzas khalifah that he can show mirza burning in hell at the spot in the court…and mirza’s khalifah could not deny it..when others asked to moulana ataullah what would you have done if the mirzai agreed * tau ataullah sahib ko ghussa aa gaya kehnay lagay kay uss waqt ataullah nahi Muhammad ka safeer bol raha tha..main yaqeenan mirza ko jehanum main julta hoa dikha daita *
trooper..
will come back to your reply later…please re read my whole post..
What footages? for all I know these might just be taken from some vicious fatwah issueing mullah’s self serving translation/interpratation. He has not provided any sources, neither has he been able to post the sections preceeding the sections posted … why hide those sections?
Ten people supporting supporting one who is promoting a lie does not turn a lie into truth.
Although I did not find the language objectionable, but if you think that the language is objectionable, then know that Quran does speak about “working women” (I can post the exact Arabic word used). Yes he(AS) did call some people “Khanzeers”. Did the Holy Prophet (SA) not say that Imam Mahdi will kill all the pigs (Khanzeers)?
^^ i have given the sources from where i scanned these books- books are not with me....but can you deny what is already posted...i can post plenty of other refrences as well...bus aql e saleem chahiyee.
Please answer to my previous post in which i replied to your questions regarding mirza jee and ungraze..
please quote and answer my post in full..do not beat around the bush
Khanzeer tau theek hay..magar ye kan#ar waghaira...oo khuda ka khoof karo yaar
bro.