SOME SIGNS BEFORE DOOMSDAY

Kumar

The reason why don't believe in the hereafter and anything to do with Doomsday is due to your religious beliefs, which you are entitled to do so, as you are excercising the gift of CHOICE. However, what you must also remember is that you have also been prophesised in the Qur'aan:

034.003 The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

030.012 On the Day that the Hour will be established, the guilty will be struck dumb with despair.

030.013 No intercessor will they have among their "Partners" and they will (themselves) reject their "Partners".

074.041 And (ask) of the Sinners:

074.042 "What led you into Hell Fire?"

074.043 They will say: "We were not of those who prayed;

074.044 "Nor were we of those who fed the indigent;

074.045 "But we used to talk vanities with vain talkers;

074.046 "And we used to deny the Day of Judgment,

074.047 "Until there came to us (the Hour) that is certain."

Whether you accept it or not, the fact still remains that it WILL come.

Finally:

027.004 As to those who believe not in the Hereafter, We have made their deeds pleasing in their eyes; and so they wander about in distraction.

027.005 Such are they for whom a grievous Penalty is (waiting); and in the Hereafter theirs will be the greatest loss.

The signs for Doomsday are universal. Even Nostradamus knew this and he surely was NO Muslim.

again Quran is proved with words from Quran. How Amusing!

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
again Quran is proved with words from Quran. How Amusing!
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we are showing you why we beleive in Doomsday and its signs.

But you do know that Christians and Jews also talk about Doomsday (referred to it in their books), as well as science also shows possibilities of a disaster (doosmday), right? we are not alone in world to talk about Doomsday.


We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
again Quran is proved with words from Quran. How Amusing!
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If you don't like QURAN,..then,..I think this is not your place or topic to discuss,...Therefore,..Its gonna be better for you to stay away from this thread....When faced with the thruth you don't wanna listen,...Din't let me make you an example in this forum with your idiotic questions and then running away from Answers.


Scarface and Changiz,
Please ignore this idiot ,..and don't dignify his questions or posts.
He needs different way not civilized way to be answered.He is not arguing for the sake of knowledge or anything,...he is making fun of Islam and Quran here,..It proves my point which I wrote to Moderator here,....Let her see what she says.

Tariq: Did you figure out who is who?

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Now, there is a lot of rhetoric being spewed about. I am not sure why you feel questioning the veracity of truth in Quran is an isult to quran. If the quran is the only basis for the debate then so be it. Just as you feel strongly about 'it" being the last word, 5/6th of humanity feels otherwise.

One of the greatest attributes about having the ability to reason is our ability to question the ideas and lore from our past, including religion. This is coming from a gnostic.

If quran has to be a proof for quran and you are ok with it...so be it.

But don't assume the rest of the world would be ok with it too and accept everything in it as the ultimate truth.

** I repeat (for the 100th time), Quran is for muslims to believe. It is not an universal truth. **

Nobody is insulting quran here. I am questioning your assumption that the whole world will have to accept 'dooms day' of quran because it is mentioned so in quran. Why should we?

And thanks for calling me an 'Idiot'. You have a great day!

[This message has been edited by kumarakn (edited August 02, 2001).]

Thanx for answering on behlf of kumarkn,
BTW,…I don’t mind questiong and answering,…but using the words like Gimmck and “The only proof for this stuff from Quran is Quran itself. What a joke?”
These kind comments shows whether he is reasoning or making fun of the religion in question,…If you guyz reason with some manners instead of using strong as shown above,..Then I think everyone will discuss more civilized way,..Therefore,..If you guyz don’t believe it,..we are not here to convince you guyz for it,..or forcing you to accept it,..Any loose comment or wordings against Our Quran will be dealt with some responses which no one will like here,..That’s why,..I am keeping ADMIN and moderator in check on it,..so they know,..We are not starting this fight,…You have your religion and we have ours,…you follow yours and we follow ours,…before asking anything,..you must have knowledge of the topic in questions ranging from our Holy book to Hadiths,..if you guyz don’t like that refences,..Then I think,..You guyz have no right to question anyone,…Coz,..it shows like making fun of the religion than to find out the reality or truth.

Have you read any of the references to Hinduism on this forum? They are completely demeaning and totally disrespectful 90% of the time.

Now…for the sake of the debate, what I am finding is that there is Quran equals Islam but Islam does not equal Muslims and Muslim does not equal Quran. Because not all muslims practice the same version of islam. The terms like jihad are thrown about, when actually it is more a fight for economic and political resources. People casually throw about Islam is a way of life, well which religion isn’t? So if so many different muslims can interpret the good book quran differently then what is the true word of god?

I still want to know if christians believe in the seven signs of the apocalypse per (revelations) or the 20 or so that started this thread?

Incredibly curious and do not mean any disrespect.

As you seems to be expert on Islam,…

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I think you can check christianity for change too.They have their own set of signs,..which are very close to Islam,..Same way,..Read Torah…you will be surprised,…These three religion are going in parallel to eachother,…we some differences with eachother ,..But 90% we agree with eachtoher,..Being Muslims we accept Christ and MOSES and their books,..too.You can find Doomsday signs as per christianity versions on the net,…Do that,..and then ask me,..I shall explain it to you,..in details,…BTW,..Muslims when diverted from the real path shown to them is not followed then they suffer,…Therefore,..Universally we can’t discuss them,…Its more like geographical matter than relgious matter.

Goto these sites for prophecies as per christians point of view,…

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http://www.danielrevelation.com/

http://www.100prophecies.org/

http://www.frankcaw.com/>

http://aplus-software.com/thglory/

FOR MORE,..THERE ARE 100’S OF SITES,…TO READ FROM,…GOTO THIS LINK.

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/ Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Bible_Studies/Biblical_Prophecy/

HAVE NICE READINGS,…but I shall find more from JUDIAISM and Christinity,…these are just the tip of the iceberg.


**HERE ARE FROM TORAH,..HERE IS THE SITE TO GOTO AND READ,..

http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=TORAH+PREDICTIONS&hc=0&hs=0

http://www.ohr.org.il/special/books/truth-4.htm

Islam,…Christianity,…Judiaism,..Three religion and their predictions,…

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[This message has been edited by TARIQ786USA (edited August 02, 2001).]

Lets put it his way, everything comes to an end. don't they.

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Originally posted by kumarakn:
** I am questioning your assumption that the whole world will have to accept 'dooms day' of quran because it is mentioned so in quran. Why should we? **
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Ibrahim says; No!! you are not compelled to accept anything so IF you don’t have shame or Fear do as you like BUT remember YOU must die sooner or later.

And all scriptures are actually chapters of the same message, given by the same Allah hence all of them testifies to the existence of Heaven and Hell.

Thus it is only the Ignorant who may tend to believe that their actions be it evil or good will all have the same consequences. The very fact that we all seek for justice against injustice means that there will be and MUST be a day of judgment when all that we did in truth and untruth will be evaluated and the innocent will be rewarded and the guilty punished for the actions and negligence.

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Kumar & Co

Just for the record.

The Qur'aan has come down for all mankind and not just a select few as some seem to be arguing:

014.001 A. L. R. A Book which We have revealed unto thee, in order that thou mightest lead mankind out of the depths of darkness into light - by the leave of their Lord - to the Way of (Him) the Exalted in power, worthy of all praise!-

039.041 Verily We have revealed the Book to thee in Truth, for (instructing) mankind. He, then, that receives guidance benefits his own soul: but he that strays injures his own soul. Nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs.

002.185 Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur’an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong).

The reason why we use the Qur'aan as reference is because we ARE in a position to do so.

The Qur'aan is the only scripture on the face of the earth that is in it's original format. This has been proven numerous times.

Secondly, the 1400 year old challenge in the Qur'aan is still outstanding:

002.023 And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

002.024 But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

Furthermore, the Qur'aan is protected and cannot be changed:

006.115 The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.

015.009 We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).

The above criteria superioates the Qur'aan from any other scripture.

Once any other Scripture can CLAIM and PROVE it's claim of authority and superiority,(which by the way cannot happen and never will) then it is only common sense for all mankind to accept and follow.

So up until such time, we Muslims will use the Qur'aanic references time and time again.

The irony is that when we use your own scriptures as a reference and proof, you still don't believe.

probably true, because Allah SWT is the CREATOR so he knew that only Muslims can beleive what HE says and only they (and Christians and Jews) have brains so they’ll think about it, others specially ‘idol-worshipping’ people don’t have minds

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because they worship what they create

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out of sand, wood

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We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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This is the stupidity that we have been arguing against. Your claim that those who don’t believe in the so called word of allah are ignorant, is ridiculous. I could also say that some nomad in arabia goes crazy and copies 90% of the existing books of the jews and christians and pawns himself off as a messiah (BTW/there are many messiahs running around the streets of new york babbling incoherently)and we are to believe it. No wonder 5/6h of humanity has the right idea and it is the muslims who are ignorant.

Tariq: You went from all the signs are the same in Islam, Christianity and Judaism to 90% are the same. Shall we wait it out to see if the percentages drop further.

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I think I meant was,..the teachings wise we are 90 % same.But we are too close on many issues,…Don’t worry,..it won’t drop any further.TORAH and BIBLE are revealed same way as QURAN,..therefore,..In its original form,..JEWS and christians are much more closer,…These holy books revealed from GOD,…therefore there is no room for any doubt here for all Muslims.

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INFOMAN,
As you have mentioned,..**(BTW/there are many messiahs running around the streets of new york babbling incoherently)and we are to believe it. **
BTW,..I live on Long Island,…let me know if you meet any Messiah,…

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One only has to look out my Office window onto the street and see the man on the corner speaking to himself.

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This is not stupidity, this is reply to stupidity.

I have said LOTS of times now. That MUSLIMS BELEIVE that all these signs are for ALL OF UNIVERSE, its upto other non-Muslims to beleive or not, BUT MUSLIMS will keep beleiving in that and Mr Kumarakn does not want to learn this so I had to show it in his way.


We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

let me bring what he Kumarakn said earlier, you can see how ‘riduculing’ his remarks are: