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Originally posted by Infoman: Natural laws are not within any religion. They are not in Hinduism either. And as many of the people here have indicated castism was practiced by hindus as a social framework, but hinduism never assigned heirarchy and resources based on caste. It's like saying Islam condones public flogging of women because the taliban flogged a woman by the roadside.
I believe Ibrahim have answered you on that.
Back to the issue. One does not need religion to practice natural laws. Do you need religion to tell you that it is wrong to kill another, or that adultery is bad or that you should not steal. These are common sensical things that religions across the world used with the fear of apocalyptic doom to get a few people their power.
If you think guidance comes from the intellect of humans then I will ask you to look at your own ancestors. It wont take you that long to figure out.
People always had been in the dark without religion. Human minds lack the comprehension of thinking equally without religion. When you see all “equal this” and “equal that” in peoples propaganda when they fallow no faith, doesn’t mean that they are not influenced. Everyone person that talks about equality is spiritual guided, there is nothing natural about it! If it were true then animals wouldn’t eat their own out of hunger.
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LACK OF KNOWLEDGE leads people to make comments like above. Anyway it can be easily proven that all of mankind had the same message by focusing on their common point , which they recorded in their history.
Lets look at how each tribe relate to the Story of a Great Flood.
The Aztec believe that the fourth sun, “Nahui-Atl” ( “Four-Water,”) ended in a gigantic flood that lasted for 52 years. ** Only one man and one woman survived, sheltered in a huge cypress.** But they were changed into dogs by Tezcatlipoca, whose orders they had disobeyed
Ibrahim says: The name Nahui and Nuh or Naoh seems similar and the reason for the dog being held unclean by Hindus and Muslims seem to have a source of origin from what is being conveyed above. Similarly the Aztec worshiped the sun just like the hindus believed God was the sun.
The Iroquois Confederacy or more broadly the North American Indian tribes speaking a language of the Iroquoian family–notably the Cayuga, Cherokee, Huron, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, and Tuscarora believe that “Ataentsik”, ancestress of the North American Iroquois, ** appear on the emerged earth;** and birds lay an egg that is later divided into two halves (heaven and earth) on the chaotic sea.
Ibrahim says: this is very similar to what the Hindus believe as their cosmology funny how even the names Indians ( hindus in particular) and Red Indians have similarities even though they are worlds apart. The naming could have been due to the British conquerors recognizing the similarities of dogma between the Natives of America and the Hindus
The western Eskimos along the Pacific and Arctic coasts have the Raven cycle, a series of tales centred around Raven. Around some coastal villages, a story about a flood that took place in the first days of the Earth is told.
The archaeology of Australia shows that the continent has been occupied for at least 40,000 years; some scholars suggest that human occupation may date back 60,000 years. The Australian Aborigines talk about a Great Flood. The myths and ritual constituted the Dreaming, or Dreamtime, signifying continuity of life unlimited by space and time. According to this legend, the frog opened his sleepy eyes, his big body quivered, his face relaxed, and, at last, he burst into a laugh that sounded like rolling thunder. The water poured from his mouth in a flood. It filled the deepest rivers and covered the land.** Only the highest mountain peaks were visible, like islands in the sea. Many men and animals were drowned.**
Ibrahim says: here the names have been changed to that of animals but only the mountain tops being visible and man and animals drowning should ring a bell
Shuruppak (modern TALL FA`RAH, ancient Sumerian city located south of Nippur in what is now south-central Iraq and originally on the bank of the Euphrates River) was celebrated in Sumerian legend as the scene of the Deluge, which destroyed all humanity except one survivor, Ziusudra. He had been commanded by a protecting god to build an ark, in which he rode out the disaster, afterward re-creating man and living things upon the earth, and was himself endowed with eternal life. Ziusudra corresponds with Utnapishtim in the Gilgamesh epic and with the biblical Noah.
In the flood story in the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic, by contrast, there is no apparent moral reason why the gods resolved to destroy mankind, and the only reason why the hero of the Flood and his kin are saved is that he is favoured by one of the gods, who tricks the others, including the chief god. Tablet XI of the Gilgamesh epic introduces **Utnapishtim, who, like Noah, survived cosmic destruction by heeding divine instruction to build an ark. **
In Greek legend, the son of Prometheus (the creator of mankind), king of Phthia in Thessaly, and husband of Pyrrha; he was also the father of Hellen, the mythical ancestor of the Hellenic race. When Zeus, the king of the gods, resolved to destroy all humanity by a flood, Deucalion constructed an ark in which, according to one version, he and his wife rode out the flood and landed on Mount Parnassus.
According to Hinduism in the story of the great flood, Manu combines the characteristics of Noah with those of Adam. The Shatapatha Brahmana recounts how he was warned by a fish, to whom he had done a kindness, that a flood would destroy the whole of humanity. He therefore built a boat, as the fish advised. When the flood came, he tied this boat to the fish’s horn and was safely steered to a resting place on a mountaintop.
Ibrahim says : It would be most interesting for Hindus to note that the Manu mentioned here is the 7th Manu and comparing Prophet Noah in the Bible the Bible attests that only from this Manu the commandment for eating meat was approved for mankind, prior to that the first 6 manus were vegetarians , which explains why Hinduism enjoins vegetarianism
According to the Torah, Noah appears in Gen. 5:29 as the son of Lamech and ninth in descent from Adam. In the story of the Deluge (Gen. 6:11-9:19), he is represented as the patriarch who, because of his blameless piety, ** was chosen by God to perpetuate the human race after his wicked contemporaries had perished in the Flood.** A righteous man, Noah “found favor in the eyes of the Lord” (Gen. 6:8).
Ibrahim says: In the Bible Prophet Noah (pbuh) is considered the 9th Manu but in the Hindu scriptures he is the 7th Manu , which would be problematic to some but when we consider the fact that the Next Prophet after Prophet Noah was Prophet Ibrahim/Abraham (pbuh) we can easily recognize that the tenth Manu in Hinduism was indeed named as Brahma which gives validity to the biblical claim that he was the 9th Manu
According to Islam the story of Prophet Nuh (pbuh) is narrated in (chapter Hud 11:36-48) although similar in nature to the Torah some additional details are revealed which corrects the Torah. Most important of all being, ** the Place where the ark came to rest. In the Bible it is mentioned as Mt Ararat ( Agri Dagi in turkey) whereas in the Qur’an, it is in Mt Judi ( Cudi Dagi in Turkey) Mt. Cudi (pronounced Judi), is approximately 250 miles southwest of Ararat. **
Ibrahim says: Now how does one understand all this? Is it possible that they are all talking about the same event or should we consider it as tales that had traveled the globe from ancient times and had become embedded in their minds. It should be obvious to conclude that some how all of them had the same messages from the same Creator , which would explain the similarities in the stories. The Qur’an being the latest and final testament for Mankind from God indeed conveys that.
Let us read…………
Qur’an 2:213 **Mankind was one single nation and Allah sent Messengers with glad tidings and warnings; and with them He sent the Book in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed; ** but the People of the Book after the clear Signs came to them did not differ among themselves except through selfish contumacy. Allah by His Grace guided the believers to the truth concerning that wherein they differed. For Allah guides whom He will to a path that is straight.
Qur’an 35:24 Verily We have sent thee in truth as a bearer of glad tidings and as a warner: and there never was a people without a warner having lived among them (in the past).
Qur’an 16:36 **For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle (with the Command) “Serve Allah and eshew Evil”: ** Of the people were some whom Allah guided and some on whom Error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth).
**Hence the Qur’an clearly provides the evidence as to why all this tribes and nations located in different parts of the Globe are all conveying the same story in their own tongues, which due to evolution would have been corrupted beyond recognition. (especially when it comes to the older scriptures and tribes) {/B]
PS::: sorry about the length of my posts BUT IF you want to understand you NEED The details, failing which you will be left to do guess work. : )