some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

And I thought you were the one who started it... I asked you some questions before which were more specific to the thread and you started pasting link and stuff that got me thinking whats authentic to you... from what I have seen you started quoting stuff from some xyz books which contradicted so called sahih books ,,, I donno what to expect from all the links you gotta throw back at me.... as far as that stuff in concerned I would rather give you links that are scholarly opinions that atleast quotes your so called sahih books and not some xyz contradicting sahih books stuff.... As far as my questions are concerned they are more specific to the thread.. and the stuff you want me to answer appears to be some questions you raised in an attempt to start another debate just so you can ignore the actual questions raied on the thread... because as far as Bibi Fatima Zehra SA is concerned I am sure we all believe she is a part of Ahleybait.... who else is a part of Ahleybait doesn't have anyhthing to do with this thread.. unless you are trying to ignore the questions by starting another debate wihtout answering the actual subject of the thread. I would rather stick to the topic ... who knows before you know it you would divert the debate somewhere else just so you can ingore the facts and questions raised

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

Buddy how many times do you want me to go over this... seems like you love to keep goin in loops without clarifying stuff I told you before....

OK.. first try to answer the question below:

If Bibi Fatima got angry for people for wong reasons.. nazubillah would Allah SWT let her Prophet P.B.U.H. give a hadith that mentions whoever made Prophet P.B.U.H. angry made him angry?????

Secondly read the ayat below:
And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.[33:33]

and make sure please read the letter AND I have made bold.. Also, before you follow Ibn Sadique tactic of asking other off topic questions to ignore the actual question asked.. I would want to point out Almost all the sect are unanimous that Bibi Fatima Zehra SA is a part of Ahley bait... the discussion on circle of Ahley bait is another debate .. I would rather prefer we stick on the topic.

Buddy read the above... I have quoted this stuff so many times but I don't know you keep coming up with different excuses all the time

Thanks for sharing man.. now imagine in the light of your hadith above and Prophet P.B.U.H. being the best of us.. what would it mean to make him angry...

Buddy... and my question to you is... Didn't Prophet give the hadith that making Bibi angry is like making him angry??? doesn't a hadith of Prophet support to server as a guidance for us??? To ease up your dilemma read the ayat below again... Unlike us read what quran has to say about their purity.......
talking about long time you know how long was Bibi alive after the death of Prophet P.B.U.H.

Also I want to point you out that unlike us Allah wishe them to be pu\And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless.[33:33]

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

Texan_Dude With regard to my statement quote above your response was:

Hz. Abu Bakr (ra)’s son Muhammad bin Abi Bakr *(ra) who while we're on the subject was brought up by **Hz. Ali *(ra) after Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) had died) had a son called **Qasim whose daughter named **Umm Farwa **was mother of Imam Jaffar-e-Sadiq (ra).

Correct me if I am wrong. Brother **Das Reich **can confirm this as he is very knowledgeable.

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

Texan_Dude

Let’s get this straight – I have given you quotations from your books with references and hadith from **Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim **stating that there was an incident when some action of Hz. Ali (ra) incurred anger of Hz. Fatimah (ra).

The problem is that you just cannot just swallow it.

It you who is starting another debate within here by dragging about Ahlul Bayt by quoting ayahs from Quran and I had to show you that this term does not apply to what you think.

See below as I have quoted you from your post no. 48

You better stick to anger of Hz. Fatimah (ra) towards Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) and Hz. Ali (ra)

You just keep harping the hadith about Hz. Fatimah's (ra) anger towards Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) and denying the hadith from the same source that showed Hz. Fatimah's (ra) anger towards Hz. Ali (ra).

Texan Dude – I had asked you this question and somehow you have ignored it or just ducked it – Please answer this as it relates to the topic on hand – I have some time on hand this week before I get busy away from here. Can you please let me know who has narrated this hadith and the reference for it? Of course I know the answer but want to hear it from you!

Allow me to show how your infallible imams have tremendous love and loyalty for Hz. Abu Bakr (ra) and Hz. Umar (ra) - Check your own books. Go ahead and deny it as usual that your imams got it wrong or the book is not well known or something to the effect.

Imam Jaffar as Sadiq (ra) expressed his support to Abu Bakr and Umar:

*Once wife of Imam Jaffar as Sadiq asked him about Abu Bakr and Umar.
He replied, "I support them”.
Then he said to his wife,” you should support them also."
His wife replied, "So should I say to my creator when I meet Him, that it is your order to support Abu Bakr and Umar."
The truthful Imam Jaffar replied, ” Yes." * - Source: Rawzatul Kafi, vol.8, p.101

*Once, Imam Muhammad al-Baqir (ra) while sitting with his companions, praised Abu Bakr by calling him the truthful ("as-Siddiq").

One of his companions got astonished by this remark and inquired if he (the Imam) really meant what he said. Upon this Imam al-Baqir replied, "Yes Abu Bakr is the truthful and whoever does not give this attribution to him, then may Allah make that person (who did not give the attribute) helpless on the day of resurrection" * Source: Kashful Ghumamah, vol.2, p.174]

Re: some questions regarding Abu Bakr thread

Peace again Texan_Dude

I think you are taking that hadith out of context ... if you are not taking it out of context then this hadith was actually meant for Ali (RA) it was Ali (RA) who had heard this hadith first, it was aimed at him.

If you are saying that Abu Bakr (RA) had made Fatimah (RA) angry then I say so did Ali (RA) by saying that Abu Bakr (RA) made Muhammad (SAW) angry then you are also saying that Ali (RA) made Muhammad (SAW) angry if you are saying that Abu Bakr (RA) made Allah (SWT) angry then you are also saying that Ali (RA) made Allah (SWT) angry ...

If you can agree with this statement above then I can agree with you, if you cannot agree with it then I cannot agree with you.